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    You can listen to her 911 call at the URL below. Terrible this woman had to go through that, but at least she and her daughter were not victims of this crazy POS....



    CUSHING — A woman with a shotgun was on the phone to a 911 dispatcher this morning in Lincoln County when she shot and killed an intruder who crashed through her back patio door.

    This is a 2005 mug shot of Billy Dean Riley, 53, who was shot early Friday morning by a homeowner in Lincoln County.

    Donna Jackson, 56, told the dispatcher a man she didn't know was at her sliding glass door to her back patio about 12:40 a.m. at 352112 E 800 Road south of the Cushing city limits, said Lincoln County Sheriff Chuck Mangion.

    She was armed with a 16-gauge shotgun when the dispatcher heard the glass door smash and the shotgun blast, Mangion said.
    A man identified as Billy Dean Riley, 53, was struck once in the chest and pronounced dead when emergency medical workers arrived, Mangion said.
    Jackson was not harmed.


    Jackson was home alone when her dog woke her up, Mangion said. She turned all the lights in the house on and then armed herself with the shotgun. Her husband was not home, Mangion said.
    She went into her kitchen and saw a man trying to break in. The man saw her and screamed threats at her, Mangion said. She told him she was armed and on the phone with police, he said.

    The man picked up a patio table and threw it through the patio door, Mangion said. He stepped into the kitchen and that is when she fired the fatal blast, striking him in the center of the chest, he said.
    Deputies arrived and found the man lying on the back porch.
    Jackson did not know the man, Mangion said.
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    I think the most strange thing about this story is that the homeowner didn't know the intruder. If it was simply a burglary, most burglars aren't interested in confrontation, and would run away when seeing the homeowner. Usually when you hear about this kind of violent forceful entry, the victim knows the intruder or at least knows someone else who knows the intruder.

    I wonder if maybe the intruder wasn't hired by someone known to the victim to kill her. This reminds me of this story of an Oregon woman that strangles an intruder with her bare hands: Link here

    Turned out the intruder was hired by her husband to kill her.


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    It's sad that this happened and ended in death... but at least she was able to defend herself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I think the most strange thing about this story is that the homeowner didn't know the intruder. If it was simply a burglary, most burglars aren't interested in confrontation, and would run away when seeing the homeowner. Usually when you hear about this kind of violent forceful entry, the victim knows the intruder or at least knows someone else who knows the intruder.

    I wonder if maybe the intruder wasn't hired by someone known to the victim to kill her. This reminds me of this story of an Oregon woman that strangles an intruder with her bare hands: Link here

    Turned out the intruder was hired by her husband to kill her.
    It does happen, but may simply be a psychotic nut who picked the wrong house. I'm sure an investigation will figure what he was doing there. Either way, woman 1, POS 0. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    It's sad that this happened and ended in death... but at least she was able to defend herself!
    There are some who feel a woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead psycho at her feet. I would not be included in that group.
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    Yup, thats Oklahoma for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I think the most strange thing about this story is that the homeowner didn't know the intruder. If it was simply a burglary, most burglars aren't interested in confrontation, and would run away when seeing the homeowner. Usually when you hear about this kind of violent forceful entry, the victim knows the intruder or at least knows someone else who knows the intruder.
    Makes me wonder if maybe drugs were involved. My Aunt and uncle had a similar thing happen. He woke up to a man trying to break in theirfront door. By the time he got to the front of the house, the guy was already opening the front door. My uncle through himself against the door and started screaming at the guy to leave, but he kept on trying to force the door open, then ran around to the sliding glass backdoors and tried to get those open. The police caught him, and turned out he was on drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    Makes me wonder if maybe drugs were involved. My Aunt and uncle had a similar thing happen. He woke up to a man trying to break in theirfront door. By the time he got to the front of the house, the guy was already opening the front door. My uncle through himself against the door and started screaming at the guy to leave, but he kept on trying to force the door open, then ran around to the sliding glass backdoors and tried to get those open. The police caught him, and turned out he was on drugs.
    I believe Oklahoma has a meth problem, but someone from Oklahoma might have more info on that. Drugs or no drugs, his mommy didn't treat him nice, or it was a full moon: nut job meets self sufficient tough Oklahoma woman not interested in being a victim = psycho in bag.
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    I'm from Oklahoma and yes, meth is a huge problem here. It is the largest focus of drug enforcement and other similar areas of law enforcement and treatment. Not that every man, woman and child is doing meth but where other areas have crack, coke, and other amphetamines, meth is the majority in this area. Especially in the smaller, more rural areas. It wouldn't surprise me if that was a factor especially being Lincoln county, one of those more rural areas.

    Having said that, Oklahoma is one of the friendliest places in america. People still open doors for each other and have a strong sense of community and charity (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...l-giving_x.htm). You could sit at a 4 way stop for 5 minutes insisting the other car go ahead hahaha

    BUT people here are VERY serious about their right to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their property (http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...p?citeid=69782)

    I'm always surprised when people out of state find these things interesting, its kinda the norm here hahahahah

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    I love hearing stories about home owners (especially women) kicking the living shit out of some assclown that tries to invade their home.

    Inspires me to add another round to the 12 gauge by the bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I love hearing stories about home owners (especially women) kicking the living shit out of some assclown that tries to invade their home.

    Inspires me to add another round to the 12 gauge by the bed.
    Agreed. I don't feel bad when someone hurts, or even kills scum like this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Agreed. I don't feel bad when someone hurts, or even kills scum like this guy.
    For those who like to tell some 120lb woman - who has to face some 200lb rapist/stalker - to "just call the police, you don't need a gun", tell that to this woman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS8mdbml0A

    Warning: this will scare the crap out of you.

    PS, I used the URL as I was not sure if imbed vids were allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    For those who like to tell some 120lb woman - who has to face some 200lb rapist/stalker - to "just call the police, you don't need a gun", tell that to this woman:



    Warning: this will scare the crap out of you.

    PS, I used the URL as I was not sure if imbed vids were allowed.
    I just watched that and she was right to kill him. The cops were aware of his past and did nothing. Years ago I had a situation where I was beat by the friend of a friend's boyfriend. We had no relation whatsoever and he was a psycho. I pressed charges and the judge on the case throw out the case (I remember the scum judge's name and have made sure he never got re elected). A few months later I saw him somewhere and he threatened me. If I ever see him again I will think nothing of shooting him. The justice system doesn't always work. Cops don't always show up, and no guarantee they'll do anything. I've seen them harass the victim instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I just watched that and she was right to kill him. The cops were aware of his past and did nothing. Years ago I had a situation where I was beat by the friend of a friend's boyfriend. We had no relation whatsoever and he was a psycho. I pressed charges and the judge on the case throw out the case (I remember the scum judge's name and have made sure he never got re elected). A few months later I saw him somewhere and he threatened me. If I ever see him again I will think nothing of shooting him. The justice system doesn't always work. Cops don't always show up, and no guarantee they'll do anything. I've seen them harass the victim instead.
    It sucks to hear that Kelly. The fact is, the police are always your first line of defense, but you are always the last line of defense. Not talking at all about your experiences, but in many cases the cops hands are tied and there is little they can do. I know many a cop, and they really hate stalker types, etc, and it really burns them when they know some POS is hassling some women, and they just don't have probable cause to arrest them.

    It double sucks when the cops do their part, and the judge fails to do theirs!

    I will say in the state of MA, they take restraining orders very seriously as a rule. I hope that's a national trend. In that respect, I think things have changed for the better.
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    I saw the 911 call, that woman is one tough cookie. "I don't want to have to kill this man, but I'll kill him graveyard dead ma'am." her exact words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    It sucks to hear that Kelly. The fact is, the police are always your first line of defense, but you are always the last line of defense. Not talking at all about your experiences, but in many cases the cops hands are tied and there is little they can do. I know many a cop, and they really hate stalker types, etc, and it really burns them when they know some POS is hassling some women, and they just don't have probable cause to arrest them.

    It double sucks when the cops do their part, and the judge fails to do theirs!

    I will say in the state of MA, they take restraining orders very seriously as a rule. I hope that's a national trend. In that respect, I think things have changed for the better.
    Thanks, yes it did suck but I don't think most cops are bad. In this case, the cops were really cool (they couldn't have been nicer and they were disappointed the judge threw out the case). In many cases it's all with legal issues though it's gotten easier to enforce restraining orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Thanks, yes it did suck but I don't think most cops are bad. In this case, the cops were really cool (they couldn't have been nicer and they were disappointed the judge threw out the case). In many cases it's all with legal issues though it's gotten easier to enforce restraining orders.
    And as you know, ROs are only as good as those willing to actually follow them, as too many people (especially women) have learned the hard way.

    I will say in MA, they will throw your ass in jail in a heart beat for breaking the RO, as there were some prior experiences where they didn't act, and the women ended up dead.
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    Yeah, most intruders would have run the other way.

    Even meth heads are paranoid and run.

    It takes a "perfect" combo of drugs, lack of sleep, and psycho to keep trying to come in.

    How ironic her husband wasn't home. I wonder, wonder, wonder what was going on in dude's head.

    I'm still too pacifist, and probably a worse shot, but I might have aimed at the legs.

    Please don't be pissed at me saying this - I'm just like that, more fright than fight. And even cops who kill feel remorse when there were no other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittygirl View Post
    Yeah, most intruders would have run the other way.

    Even meth heads are paranoid and run.

    It takes a "perfect" combo of drugs, lack of sleep, and psycho to keep trying to come in.

    How ironic her husband wasn't home. I wonder, wonder, wonder what was going on in dude's head.

    I'm still too pacifist, and probably a worse shot, but I might have aimed at the legs.

    Please don't be pissed at me saying this - I'm just like that, more fright than fight. And even cops who kill feel remorse when there were no other options.
    I'm the same way. I will go out of my way to avoid a fight, but being raised in Oklahoma its like.. major curriculum to "walk away" unless you are in danger and that's the point when you fight to the death if you have to. I remember being in Kindergarten or 1st grade, being in the living room with my parents and my dad would "train" me just in case. He would grab me and I would have to fight to see if I could get out of it, even if I made him bleed. Then my mom would make me recite our phone number and 911 and what to scream if someone was trying to take me. I don't know if that was right or wrong by today's standards but thats what parents did here. I also don't know many people here who aren't armed (in their homes) in case of an intruder. I admire that woman. I always worry if I would be able to pull the trigger or if I would freeze up. I'm not saying to go out of your way to kill anyone but he had broken down the door and was coming in. I hope I'm never in that situation but the fact is, its "kill or be killed" and I'd like to hope I would protect my own life if the cops weren't there yet and I was out of options. Thats why the Make My Day law was so important here. I don't agree with violence but I do believe in the right to protect yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaganDarling View Post
    I'm the same way. I will go out of my way to avoid a fight, .
    I don't want to fight anyone ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    There are some who feel a woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead psycho at her feet. I would not be included in that group.
    Don't include me in that group either.

    So much so that I use to teach a woman's "anti-rape" self-defense class. While unarmed and armed with items regularly found in a woman's purse and pockets self-defense were the main part of the teaching, for those women who expressed interest in getting carrying permits gun retention instruction was included.

    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    For those who like to tell some 120lb woman - who has to face some 200lb rapist/stalker - to "just call the police, you don't need a gun", tell that to this woman...
    Colt made all men [and women] equal, but in the class mentioned above we did teach women how to, if their life depended on it, get enough space and time to flee and get to safety - maybe even take the guy down completely - when attacked. I'm not a tiny guy and after some simple instruction and practice the women in the class were able to toss me about fairly well.

    The short and long of it is if in a life threatening situation the knowledge, if practiced, of these techniques can be a real life saver.
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    And the plot thickens: http://www.newsok.com/article/342280...m_click=search

    A ‘bizarre’ situation
    Lincoln County Sheriff Chuck Mangion said dispatchers first got the call from Jackson about 12:40 a.m., after her dogs’ barking woke her up. The man shot and killed at Jackson’s home, Billy Dean Riley, 53, was no stranger to the sheriff’s office.
    "I’d say he’s been in an out of jail since he was old enough to go to jail,” Mangion said. "He has a long history of drug and alcohol-related offenses.”
    But what has the sheriff puzzled is why the intruder was so determined to break into Jackson’s rather fortified home, marked by a locked gate and "Beware of the dog” signs.
    "As to what his motives were in trying to break into the house remains unclear,” Mangion said.
    Jackson said the man was talking "crazy.” He apparently didn’t know where his pickup was, and he kept yelling for someone named "Pat.”
    Mangion said his deputies found Riley’s pickup just down the secluded rural road, and it appeared the vehicle had left the roadway and run into a ditch.
    Inside the pickup, investigators found Riley’s sister, Patricia Ellen Totty, 45, unconscious from what they called an overdose of alcohol and narcotics. She was taken to a Stroud hospital, where she was later listed in good condition.
    Mangion said he couldn’t say whether Riley had gone to the house to get help for his sister.
    "He didn’t go to the front door or ring the door bell to try to gain entry,” the sheriff said.
    Mangion said Riley is a repeat offender, but local officers have never seen him do anything like this before.
    "Dealing with him, I can tell you that when he had a load on, he could be a pretty mean individual,” the sheriff said. "But this is just bizarre. I’ve been doing this for 35 years, and this one is pretty much a mind-blower.”
    Court records show Riley, of Sparks, has a number of driving under the influence of alcohol convictions, including convictions in Lincoln County in 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2004. He was convicted of public intoxication in Lincoln County in 2002 and of possession of marijuana in Lincoln County in 1998.




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    ^^^ wow...very strange indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    ^^^ wow...very strange indeed.
    Double indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittygirl View Post
    I'm still too pacifist, and probably a worse shot, but I might have aimed at the legs.

    Please don't be pissed at me saying this - I'm just like that, more fright than fight. And even cops who kill feel remorse when there were no other options.
    I live in rural Oklahoma and have a license to carry a concealed hand gun for self defense and one of the things you are taught is to shoot someone who is threatening you with bodily harm in the chest, not the legs. A wounded animal can be very dangerous.

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