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    I suck at hustling, usualy i sit at a bar and watch how more outgoing girls making money left and right.
    I am quet not so people person. so i thought about focusing more on a looks and hot stage shows rather than on hustling skills.
    So here is what i want to try - i want to doll myself up so i'd look like..pornstar(kinda) ,get in a best shape. so i'd be rated 10.
    Would you come over to me and ask to blow all your money on me?

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    once in a while it might happen. but i wouldnt use looks as a reliable source of income. solid hustling skills and/or regulars are waht make consistent money. the only way looking like a hot porn star will steadily bring income is maybe if you work at a place with a bunch of ugly chicks and you were the only hot one there.

    but most of your focus should be on hustling skills. looks do count in this business, but hustling counts more . this isnt modeling, it is a job that is dependent on people interaction. so you are going to have to get over your shyness... i get the feeling that you already know this and your new "idea" of just looking really pretty instead is just to distract you from the fact that you know you are eventually going to have to confront your shyness and learn how to be outgoing.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    depends on how many girls are already "10's" working there and what is physically possible for you.

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    Being one of the hottest girls in your club will definitely work to your advantage, but to really bank you are going to have to have personality and a little bit of a hustle. Its not really that hard. I struggled at first bc I too am really shy outside of the club. But I searched hustle hut for a few days, tried some things out and found what works for me. You just have to find what works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monicabi View Post
    So here is what i want to try - i want to doll myself up so i'd look like..pornstar(kinda) ,get in a best shape. so i'd be rated 10.
    Would you come over to me and ask to blow all your money on me?
    While there are some guys who are willing and sometimes even prefer to do the asking, I would think the increase due to a change in look would only be marginal. Unfortunately, the majority of guys in a SC still prefer to be the ones who are approached.

    A lot of guys actually like shy girls. You just need to be able to use it to your advantage instead of allowing it to be an impediment to your success. Just jump right in and ask. What's the worst that will happen? Every customer who says 'no' just gets you closer to the customer who says 'yes.'

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    I've always worked with a couple of girls like this. Drop dead gorgeous, perfect Barbie girls, sweet as pie. I'd see them sitting at the corner of the bar for hours while I was walking back and forth to VIP, custy in hand.

    As a custy (female), I like approaching dancers. But once I went up to you, if you are shy and timid, I'd probably not ask you to come over and dance for my partner, thinking you might not be much fun.

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    Looks have little to do with it. I'd say my income has gone up since I coloured my hair. But I believe it's due to confidence, not my haircolour.

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    I think you might have better luck if you focus on just trying to get 10 coverstations a night started ( or whatever # works ) and trying to turn each into dance sales. Your approach might work in your club, but it wouldn't work in mine because we are all so aggressive. The customers are spoiled and expect a parade of hot chicks walking up to them ( then they choose the one they want ).

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    No.

    A) Considering how dead clubs are in this enconomy... there are way too many girls in clubs for the amount of money being spent. If you want to make money you have to be willing to go and hustle. Even if a guy does look over and think you're the hottest girl there, another stripper is going to move in and try and hustle him before he can even stand up. And she'll probably have a much better chance getting him because personality beats looks everytime-- even in a strip club.

    B) Even if this does work for you at times you're missing out on TONS of potential customers. I'm a fairly pretty girl but I'm by no means way prettier than all the girls at my club or the prettiest one there. I know not all my customers have walked into my club and thought I was the hottest dancer. You can charm customers by being nice, funny, making a personal link, making them feel like they can trust you and open up.... and get guys who were debating between you and a few other girls pick you. Or even guys who didn't put you at the top of the hot list.

    C) If you're not even able to go and sit and hustle the guy, you're probably not going to sell repeat dances or VIPs. A customer is going to get very bored if you're just sitting there looking pretty during a dance... he could get that sitting on the floor or from looking at a magazine. If you want to keep your customer in the LD room you need to get some kind of an interaction started. A guy is only going to buy a VIP if he thinks youre fun and cool to hang out with. Being pretty is not going to cut it for an hour.

    You're going to have to get over your shyness. I was really shy too when I stared, my first night my manager told me "you know you CAN talk to the customers right? It's allowed..." but needing to make money motivated me to just keep forcing myself to go talk to customers and eventually I got good at it and over my shyness.

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    Also...depending on what you look like now, its going to take a lot more time and money to get yourself looking like a porn star, and months of practice getting an awesome stage show...when you can learn to hustle right NOW, and start getting better immediately.

    Personally, I think a good stripper will work on all three concurrently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monicabi View Post
    I suck at hustling, usualy i sit at a bar and watch how more outgoing girls making money left and right. I am quet not so people person. so i thought about focusing more on a looks and hot stage shows rather than on hustling skills....
    OK - why can't you be an outgoing girl?

    You're in a pretty unusual environment - and one that's totally divorced from the real world. Real 'monicabi' does not have to behave like stripper 'monicabi'.

    Stripper 'monicabi' can behave as outrageously as she likes - who's going to tell your real life friends what you get up to in the club.

    Just regard yourself as an actress - get out a piece of paper and write down what your dancer persona is going to be. Then practice it in the privacy of your own room. When you feel you can you are comfortable acting out the character you have created, go and try it out on some customers.

    What's the worst that can happen to you? You feel slightly foolish from time to time.

    What's the best that can happen to you? A purse full of money at the end of the night.

    I know a number of dancers both inside and outside of work - and their work personalities can be very, very different from their real life ones.

    So make up yourself a 'pretend' personality and unleash it on some unsuspecting customers. All you need to be is an actress....

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    thats what i alweys been teling to myself - in a club i am an actress, maby thats the trick!

    i think i could pull off that hot look. and i do work with loots of beautifill women
    yes, i absolutely agree that dancer needs good communication skillls and sell it. i perhaps i am lacking self confidence ...

    glad that we have that forum, i do need smackdown sometimes.
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    If I see an extremely hot dancer just sitting around and not hustling, my first reaction is to think that she's stuck up and I probably won't approach her. I might be way off, and she might just be shy, but since I don't know for sure, I won't approach her.

    Like most custy's, I prefer to be approached, but I have certainly done my share of hunting down dancers that strike my fancy. But it's rare for me to stalk one who only travels thru the "Stripclub Triangle": stage - dressing room - bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monicabi View Post
    thats what i alweys been teling to myself - in a club i am an actress, maby thats the trick!

    i think i could pull off that hot look. and i do work with loots of beautifill women
    yes, i absolutely agree that dancer needs good communication skillls and sell it. i perhaps i am lacking self confidence ...
    At the risk of giving you advice from the other side of the fence, I think you need to separate your life outside the SC from your job inside it. It sounds like you are bringing your OTC self inside the SC and continuing to behave like you do outside in the real world.

    Simple question for you - do the top earners in your club show a very different personality in the dressing room to when they are out hustling for dances? My money says they do. They're actresses, and so should you be.

    Look - try regarding hustling as a game. The rules of the game each time you approach a customer are simple:

    1) I will convince the customer I like him
    2) I will convince the customer I will get personal enjoyment dancing for him
    3) I will not let the customer think my main motivation is money

    If you lose a round of the game, you're no worse off than before, and if you win, you're at least $20 to the better.

    So now you're not being rejected if a customer turns you down for a dance - you just lost that round of the game. So you go on to the next customer - and the next round. Keep a score over the night.

    Set yourself a low target to start with - I will win 5 rounds/get 5 dances in the course of the shift. When you can regularly beat that target, move it up - say to winning 8 rounds a night.

    And above all remember: It's a game that you win or lose - not a reflection on your looks or personality.

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    I'd say if you rely solely on looks, you may end up being the hottest one on the floor, sure, but you're also allowing the guys to sit and look at you for free. Why get dolled up and spend so much time and money, and then rest on your laurels? If guys don't end up coming up to you based on your beauty alone, well, then you are just throwing money down the drain without any coming back to your wallet to replace it and surpass it.

    Look as hot as you can and go ahead and be shy. But APPROACH! If you're too shy to ask for dances at first, then don't, but you will have to flirt your tail off to get guys to ask you..

    However, at least you will have started the sales process. They know you are working. Being a hot mannequin (mute?), on the contrary, does not constitute working! Not trying to be mean, so please don't take it that way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by monicabi View Post
    I suck at hustling, usualy i sit at a bar and watch how more outgoing girls making money left and right.
    Don't take 9 nos to 1 yes personal. Men in the real world have to do that all of the time and there it is personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    If I see an extremely hot dancer just sitting around and not hustling, my first reaction is to think that she's stuck up and I probably won't approach her.
    I agree with this or I might think she's distracted with something else and will not provide a good lap dance.

    Also, body language is very important. Are you sitting - smilling, facing the customers with an open and approachable body language, or do you look closed, like you want to be left alone? You might be sending the wrong signals subconsciously. Invest in this book on body language and flirting: Superflirt by Tracey Cox.

    Start by making eye contact and smiling at everybody. If you and I lock gazes and we both smile, wave to me or come over and say hi to me. The smile is an indication that I like you. If a guy does not smile and looks away he is either not interested or is very shy. If a customer is pleasant, but does not buy a dance - try not to look upset. He might have already spent his money for the night, but will be coming back. (But, obviously, don't waste too much time with customers that don't buy dances.)

    You need to hustle. You might read some "pick-up" material that discusses ways for shy guys to approach women and apply the same techniques.

    But, if you absolutely can't hustle - What about getting the waitresses to hustle for you, and tipping them very well for this? I've been asked many times by waitresses if I want them to bring a girl over for me. I usually say 'no' because I prefer to select the dancer myself.

    This might work for you, though. If you develop a friendly relationship with the waitreses and pay them a good tip to find you customers, they might do this for you. They can point you out to customers and say something like, "She's a shy girl, but man can she give a good lap dance. Would you like her company?" - That should get you some customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I agree with this or I might think she's distracted with something else and will not provide a good lap dance.

    Also, body language is very important. Are you sitting - smilling, facing the customers with an open and approachable body language, or do you look closed, like you want to be left alone? You might be sending the wrong signals subconsciously. Invest in this book on body language and flirting: Superflirt by Tracey Cox.

    Start by making eye contact and smiling at everybody. If you and I lock gazes and we both smile, wave to me or come over and say hi to me. The smile is an indication that I like you. If a guy does not smile and looks away he is either not interested or is very shy. If a customer is pleasant, but does not buy a dance - try not to look upset. He might have already spent his money for the night, but will be coming back. (But, obviously, don't waste too much time with customers that don't buy dances.)

    You need to hustle. You might read some "pick-up" material that discusses ways for shy guys to approach women and apply the same techniques.

    But, if you absolutely can't hustle - What about getting the waitresses to hustle for you, and tipping them very well for this? I've been asked many times by waitresses if I want them to bring a girl over for me. I usually say 'no' because I prefer to select the dancer myself.

    This might work for you, though. If you develop a friendly relationship with the waitreses and pay them a good tip to find you customers, they might do this for you. They can point you out to customers and say something like, "She's a shy girl, but man can she give a good lap dance. Would you like her company?" - That should get you some customers.
    lol is superflirt a book you have personally read? Lol just curious, i just bought it but havent gotten round to reading it, the pink cover looks like it would scare most men off though...

    The getting a waitress to help you is a good idea. Make sure its a nice one though... i have seem some waitresses develop an almost pimp like mentality and start claiming customers as their own and demanding like 40% of a girls sales and if the girl not agree, then blocking them from the customers. Most arent that ridiculous though... the two i have seen like that were ex dancers who had a very cut throat mentality but were too big to get hired.

    Floor guys also can be helpful. The floor guys at my old club used to introduce girls to lots of customers and be like "hey, i have someone who i would like you to meet" and pull out a chair for them. i always prefered to introduce myself though.

    and i like the line jack came up with for a waitress to hustle for you... thats a pretty good way to phrase it! and it would attract the guys who like shy girls and help get rid of the doubts as to whether you were along because you were bitchy.


    but yes, you really should learn how to be outgoing. a waitress as a crutch is a good suggestion, but i think you will be best off learning to depend own skills.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    lol is superflirt a book you have personally read? Lol just curious, i just bought it but havent gotten round to reading it, the pink cover looks like it would scare most men off though...
    Yes, I'm a fan of Tracey Cox. She's awesome. I've read some stuff by male "pick-up artists" on body language, but I think Tracey blows them away. Her stuff on body language is really inciteful.

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    ok cool. aftery our post i cracked it open and it appeared that some of the material was geared for men. although the majority of it was written for women as far as i could tell. although i guess knowing how we work is never a bad thing .
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    ^^^ She has some good sex books, too. Also, she's put out some videos. They may be available on youtube.com.

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    although i guess knowing how we work is never a bad thing .
    No, I admit having a fascination with female psychology and sexuality. (I'm glad I didn't mention that I occasionally glance at Cosmo and that I spend a lot of time on stripperweb.com.)

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    I think the stage show is important for selecting a dancer. If a dancer just comes over and rubs her hand down my chest for a second then expects her tip I usually decline if she asks for a private dance. If she puts a lot of effort into entertaining me on stage I will remember her and be more likely to buy dances from her. Also good conversation and drinks, not looks, is the only time I end up buying dances from a dancer who has no T&A on her.
    Also just as an fyi a lot of cheap asses are the ones who sit in the front row wanting to enjoy the $1 thrills. Probably better not to invest too heavily in marketing yourself to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddq138 View Post
    I think the stage show is important for selecting a dancer. If a dancer just comes over and rubs her hand down my chest for a second then expects her tip I usually decline if she asks for a private dance. If she puts a lot of effort into entertaining me on stage I will remember her and be more likely to buy dances from her.
    sadly, i think you are in the minority here. i love good stage shows as a dancer and a customer, but the general consensus is to go up, smile, but its not super important. and i think it is a shame too.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Personality is hardwired in the brain so you can't really change it, you can only work with what you got. You can become less shy or act flirty (social skills), but the personality stays the same. Trying to act far outside your personality will make you seem phony to the customer. If personality was so easy to change, then every dancer I meet would have a great personality.

    I've noticed that about a third of the dancers I meet are as socially awkward as some of the customer base. They can barely speak in complete sentences. These dancers try to compensate by being good at giving dances, being persistant, or they're just so hot that it makes up for the lack of personality.

    If you lack personality, then you have to work on polishing your social skills and being more persistant (social skill is different than personality, social skill is learned, personality is hardwired). When I'm dealing with my customers in my business, I just act like I'm interested in what they have to say and act like I care. After a while it becomes second nature. Practice acting a certain way and it'll become second nature.

    The dancer I'm seeing now is the socially awkward type but has the best body in the SC and knows how to dance. She's been dancing for 7 years. She has one of the best stage shows, the best ass, and gives the best dances, IMO. I've noticed that she gets more stage tips than anyone in the place. I chose her and that's how I think she gets most of her customers and I'm pretty sure she's one of the top earners.

    You may have to do a lot of "wanna dance" asking if your not a great conversationalist. If it makes you feel any better, just remember that a lot of the customer base is the socially awkward types, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post

    If it makes you feel any better, just remember that a lot of the customer base is the socially awkward types, too.

    This is very true!
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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