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    The following article portrays the state of RI clubs in the wake of the new law regarding prostitution in RI.

    Initially, it was thought it would be a benefit to the clubs. If anything, I think they are understating its impact.

    http://www.projo.com/news/content/st...omments-anchor
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    From what I have heard about RI, this statement:
    “Our clubs are not brothels. Our clubs are gentlemen’s clubs,” the 64-year-old Shappy said from behind his cluttered desk in a building next door to the club. “It’s good, clean, adult fun.”
    is a flat out lie. and based on the fact that after the law went into effect, bouncers started paying attention to the dancers, i am going to say that the owner knows that this statement is a lie.


    I support prostitution being legalized, just not in the strip clubs so i am glad. From what i have read on the boards here, it was a nightmare and basically impossible to be a clean dancer making a decent income in those clubs. Maybe now RI strip clubs will be able to actually be strip clubs instead of fuck fests. Although it sounds like nobody is going to be making money for a while, especially if the entire customer base was there for extras. That also would probably turn away customers who did actually want 'good, clean, adult fun."
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    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I've been to Caddy's which is Shappy's club in the past defiantly a extra's place in the past. This was maybe 2-3 years ago. Supposedly the really cleaned it up. No more private rooms or curtains. Also sign's that read " PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL" everywhere. One of my friends is going there for a bachelor party this weekend so i'll ask him.
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    The club owners of Providence are not stupid-well, not totally stupid. There is too much at stake for them to risk it over a hand job. Though clubs in RI have always been very high contact the blatant extras that were pervasive at the Caddy and several other Providence clubs where really only going on for a few years. Competition had as much to do with it as the economy. Club owners have made it clear to the dancers that they are going to have to clean things up or risk losing their jobs. Many already have.

    I know a few dancers who where very happy to see the law change and they still are. Yes, it has slowed traffic in the clubs but it has also reduced the number of guys who show up demanding extras in the VIP or PD rooms. These are not guys that the women I know where getting any money from in the first place.

    That being said, I'm not getting treated any differently now that the new laws are in effect. I visited a club two weeks ago on a Friday afternoon and was promised the best dance of my life and a guaranteed happy ending by a cute little lady who I had never met before in my life. She did ask me if I was a cop-something that has never happened to me before in a Providence club. The dance was pretty good, the happy ending was not in the cards but she promised me a full "hands-on" experience if I took her to a private booth.

    It seems pretty clear based on what I have read in the Providence papers that the target of the new laws down there is not strip clubs. Still, public opinion drives what LE decides to concentrate on as much as anything. Who knows what will happen down the road.
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    Yoda, I agree with you. It's mostly directed towards Message Parlors and CL listings. I read on projo.com that sales are off by 10-20% on average this year according to club owners. I think mostly it's because of the economy vs prostitution being illegal
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    RI clubs will lose people traveling and have to make do like all other SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post

    I support prostitution being legalized, just not in the strip clubs so i am glad. From what i have read on the boards here, it was a nightmare and basically impossible to be a clean dancer making a decent income in those clubs. Maybe now RI strip clubs will be able to actually be strip clubs instead of fuck fests. Although it sounds like nobody is going to be making money for a while, especially if the entire customer base was there for extras. That also would probably turn away customers who did actually want 'good, clean, adult fun."
    It will be a while before the clubs pick back up again. The current business model they practice is based on extras, this will lead to eventual busts in the clubs as both the owners and dancers decide that the risk of getting busted is better than the risk of losing the business entirely.

    This is the beginning of the end of stripping as we know it in the states. It will probably be another 8-10 years before every region starts feeling the pressure, but mark my words, it is coming to a strip club near you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    RI clubs will lose people traveling and have to make do like all other SC.
    Not as long as the clubs in Mass, NH, VT, ME and CT all suck they won't...

    There seems to be some sort of mythological thought process that the RI strip club scene and loophole in the state's prostitution laws were attracting perverts from all over the country. As someone who travels and works all over the country I can assure you that this is simply not the case. There are plenty of cities all over the country with extras-laden strip clubs and the prostitution loophole was not a major draw for touring escorts so why on earth would anyone think it was a draw for customers? The clubs in bordering states suck so customers from those states drive to Providence. Even with the new restrictions a full contact lap dance in Providence still blows away anything you can get in other New England states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silk55 View Post
    Yoda, I agree with you. It's mostly directed towards Message Parlors and CL listings. I read on projo.com that sales are off by 10-20% on average this year according to club owners. I think mostly it's because of the economy vs prostitution being illegal
    The only problem with your theory is that the clubs are far and away the most visible of the state's adult businesses (hence the article). Craig's List exists in cyberspace and the spas are generally so low-key that I don't know where all but a couple are and I've lived in this area my whole life.

    I agree that business has been off for a couple of years now because of the economy but the bottom really seems to have fallen out in the six weeks since the law took effect. Since the law took effect, there are often more dancers than customers in the club. I think the law change might be keeping the extras-seeker away because he feels (rightly or wrongly) that those days are over. I think the casual visitor might also feel he is also taking a chance by just being there. I'm not saying either of them is right or wrong, but clearly a lot of people are reevaluating their need to be there.

    Also, the club's revenues are derived primarily from the sale of alcohol. I'm guessing that dancer income has taken a harder hit than has sales of alcohol. I know a few girls who have decided to no longer work weekend nights because its gotten so bad.
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    While I agree that the dancers have taken a harder hit than the clubs I still don't think it has all that much to do with the law. I also club in MA and CT where there have been no law changes but business has still dropped. It is, after all, the holiday season and this quite often slows business in the clubs as it further taxes disposable income. I don't think you will find a dancer anywhere in any state who will not say that she is making less money now than she was a year ago.

    I'm not naive enough to say that the law has had absolutely no effect on RI clubs. There is clearly a fair amount of paranoia from some guys on the various strip club boards about it but I've never been one to believe that all that many real customers actually visit those boards. I have been down to Providence four times since the law changed and found things to be pretty much the way they where before. I did get asked if I was a cop in one club but the dancer in question still made every attempt to grind me into the sofa when we finally got to the private dance area.

    Craig's List get's talked about on the television news all the time. It gets mentioned on TV crime shows and joked about on radio talk shows as a place where men go to look for hookers. CL busts have been going on in MA and in other cities all over the country for quite a while now. It was just a matter of time after the law change before they started to happen in RI. The Craig's List Killer attack earleir this year in a Warwick hotel didn't help matters any...

    It's the cyber age BEM. Everyone knows about CL and prostitution and the easiest way by far to set up a sting and bust people engaging in prostitution is by placing a false ad on Craig's List.
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    ^^^ I know its the cyber age but RI's SC's are some of the most prominent landmarks in town, what with being just off highways and neon lights and all. You still have to go looking for craig's list. Those who wholeheartedly support the new law view the clubs as a blight on the city.

    The timing of the recent drop in business may be coincidental with the law change, but how much is attributable to which factor is anyone's guess. No more extras, bad economy, not bachelor party season, Christmas season, etc. Take your pick. The main difference I see in the one club I bother to visit is a whole lot fewer customers in the last month. Other than that, it appears to be business as usual. It will be interesting to see if this week's Christmas party causes a spike in business or not.
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    So true. I think I'm going to try to check out the Xmas party at Desires tonight. But noticed a lot fewer people on week days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silk55 View Post
    So true. I think I'm going to try to check out the Xmas party at Desires tonight. But noticed a lot fewer people on week days.
    I won't be at Desires. The weekdays are slow at CF but one of my friends, a Saturday night fixture, says Saturday nights are so bad, she's going to stick to weekday afternoons for the time being. That being said, the girls are struggling to sell dances even when they are $10 each. The CF party runs for 3 days. I'll make it by at least once or twice, depending on what my friends are doing.
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    "Landmarks" don't mean anything in this case. I'm still waiting to read about the first strip club raid but right now all I'm reading about is what club owners are doing to stay out of trouble...and it seems to be working.

    With LE it's always about picking the low-hanging fruit. Raiding strip clubs without investing months in undercover work first will yield no results. Busting hookers and their customers by having them answer fake ads on Craig's List costs nothing in terms of advance time and money and yeilds immediate, headline creating results. I'm not really up on the AMP scene in Providence but I have not read or heard about any raids so I'm guessing nothing has happened yet. Again, AMPS are not a slam dunk bust the way Craig's List is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    "Landmarks" don't mean anything in this case. I'm still waiting to read about the first strip club raid but right now all I'm reading about is what club owners are doing to stay out of trouble...and it seems to be working.

    With LE it's always about picking the low-hanging fruit. Raiding strip clubs without investing months in undercover work first will yield no results. Busting hookers and their customers by having them answer fake ads on Craig's List costs nothing in terms of advance time and money and yeilds immediate, headline creating results. I'm not really up on the AMP scene in Providence but I have not read or heard about any raids so I'm guessing nothing has happened yet. Again, AMPS are not a slam dunk bust the way Craig's List is.
    Never said the SC's were at the top of the list, but you know they're on the list. The proponents of the law change would like nothing more than to see the lights go dark at any one of the clubs, so if you think "Landmarks" don't matter, think again. Its symbolic. Its only a matter of time till LE starts poking around, if they haven't already. The question is what kind of success they'll have. The issue wasn't whether they'd been raided yet, but rather whether the new law has scared away business, and the general consensus is that it has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Never said the SC's were at the top of the list, but you know they're on the list.
    Actually no, I don't really think they are as long as they keep their noses clean. There are moralists all over the country that would like to see strip clubs close but yet, by and large, they don't. RI passed a law that closed a loophole that, on paper, really has nothing to do with strip clubs. The Supreme court didn't hang a closed sign on the front door the day the law changed. Providence is not special. I'm not saying it can't happen but my thoughts are that if there where going to be raids to show how tough the new law is they already would have happened. About five years ago I was working in San Diego right after a trial convicting a club owner of bribing a city council member was completed. Raids where carried out immediately. Same thing in Tampa nine or ten years ago-the law changes, the clubs get raided. In both of those cases the laws or city codes were changed to have a direct impact on the clubs. In Providence this was clearly not the case based on what I have been reading.

    Sorry BEM but Providence is still a piss-ant little city in the most corrupt state in the country...and they need the money...

    I'm sure you will keep us posted though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Actually no, I don't really think they are as long as they keep their noses clean.
    If they're not on the list, why would they have to worry about keeping their noses clean? They may not be a priority but they are on the list. Not every club, but certain ones. Friends of mine in LE have confirmed this. I think we all know which ones need to worry the most.

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    Sorry BEM but Providence is still a piss-ant little city in the most corrupt state in the country...and they need the money...
    Being a piss ant little city doesn't seem to stop you Boston guys from coming down though. We have it all over Boston when it comes to SC's and restaurants.

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    I'm sure you will keep us posted though...
    And I'm sure you'll keep correcting me. after all, you've been here a half dozen times in the last few years. I suppose that might qualify as having your finger on the pulse.
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    Yeah, you guys have great strip clubs down there...and if guys from other states didn't drive to them the dancers would all be starving...

    BEM, I'm not correcting you, I am disagreeing with you. Let me explain the difference. When I spell a word wrong and you point that out you are correcting me. I obviously spelled it wrong and if I was allowed to re-write the dictionary the English language would go straight to hell. Now, when you say that clubs will be raided and I say that they won't we are both simply posting different opinions. I know you have your reasons for thinking the way you do and I have mine as well. Do I really have to explain that, in my opinion, they don't have to worry because they are keeping their noses clean or are you unaware of the whole chicken/egg theory? Again we can disagree...

    As far as any fingers on any pulses may go you really have no idea how often I've been to Providence clubs in the past week, month or year. You also have no idea how often I talk to people who work in them and no, I'm not just talking about one Asian stripper. As I keep trying to explain to people, there are websites and there is real life. One should not be confused with the other...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Yeah, you guys have great strip clubs down there...and if guys from other states didn't drive to them the dancers would all be starving...
    Yeah, you're all quite the humanitarians

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    Do I really have to explain that, in my opinion, they don't have to worry because they are keeping their noses clean or are you unaware of the whole chicken/egg theory? [
    I am aware of the whole chicken/egg theory. This just isn't it. The only reason they are keeping their noses clean is precisely because they are worried.

    Also, re-read the thread. I never said they'd be raided. I said they were on LE's radar and they still are, perhaps not as high on the list as other activities, but there nonetheless.

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    AS far as any fingers on any pulses may go you really have no idea how often I've been to Providence clubs in the past week, month or year. You also have no idea how often I talk to people who work in them and no, I'm not just talking about one Asian stripper.
    Are you telling me not to believe what you post? A couple of months ago, you hadn't been here in a couple of years. Recently you claimed to have visited 4 times in the last month. If your posts are to be believed, my number's in the ballpark. People down here know who your contacts are. I know its not that one Asian girl because she counts on me to keep her up-to-date.

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    As I keep trying to explain to people, there are websites and there is real life. One should not be confused with the other...
    Actually, there are websites, real life, and stripclubs. One should not confuse any one of the three with the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Yeah, you're all quite the humanitarians
    I never said that, we just like good strip clubs...



    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I am aware of the whole chicken/egg theory. This just isn't it. The only reason they are keeping their noses clean is precisely because they are worried.
    Again, I say they are not worried because they are keeping their noses clean...

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Also, re-read the thread. I never said they'd be raided. I said they were on LE's radar and they still are, perhaps not as high on the list as other activities, but there nonetheless.
    And I never said that you said they would be raided....

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    Are you telling me not to believe what you post? A couple of months ago, you hadn't been here in a couple of years. Recently you claimed to have visited 4 times in the last month. If your posts are to be believed, my number's in the ballpark. People down here know who your contacts are. I know its not that one Asian girl because she counts on me to keep her up-to-date.
    Dude, no dancer that I am friendly with is counting on you to keep her up to date about me. Don't flatter yourself.

    As to what you can beleive or not beleive of my posts well, that's up to you. I post what I post and I'm sure that, since I don't take notes or keep a journal, there are occasional contradictions. I don't think I ever said, at least not recently, that I had not been to RI in a couple of years. If the number of times I've been in a particular club is that important to you I would have to say that you are harboring a puzzling obsession about the comings and goings of a customer. Are you stalking me? Are you walking around asking people if they know who yoda is?

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Actually, there are websites, real life, and stripclubs. One should not confuse any one of the three with the others.
    Any interaction between two people face to face is reality BEM. Everything you hear may not be the truth but that goes on in all walks of life every day, not just strip clubs. I'm never confused, just not always convinced.
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    I actually believe that Yoda's reference to a couple of years was strictly regarding FL PVD visits. I will now withdraw and let the ping pong match continue...

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    And I never said that you said they would be raided....
    Go back four whole posts to #18 , you know, the one where you said exactly that.


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    Dude, no dancer that I am friendly with is counting on you to keep her up to date about me. Don't flatter yourself.

    As to what you can beleive or not beleive of my posts well, that's up to you. I post what I post and I'm sure that, since I don't take notes or keep a journal, there are occasional contradictions. I don't think I ever said, at least not recently, that I had not been to RI in a couple of years. If the number of times I've been in a particular club is that important to you I would have to say that you are harboring a puzzling obsession about the comings and goings of a customer. Are you stalking me? Are you walking around asking people if they know who yoda is?
    Dude, don't flatter yourself. Who said she relied on me to keep updated on you? She seems to rely on me to keep her updated on general club stuff. Let's try not to be so narcissistic, shall we?

    I am only responding to what you write. When you contradict yourself, I'll point it out, as I'm sure you'll do if I contradict myself. If I happen across your statement about not having been here, I'll point it out, but I'm not going to go looking for it.

    Stalking you? Asking who you are? Again, don't flatter yourself, I know who you are.


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    Any interaction between two people face to face is reality BEM. Everything you hear may not be the truth but that goes on in all walks of life every day, not just strip clubs. I'm never confused, just not always convinced.
    OK, so now stripclubs equal reality, gotcha. I'm pretty sure you've been quoted saying just the opposite, that the clubs are a fantasy world, but again I have neither the time nor inclination to look for the statement.
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    Post # 18, you are absolutely right BEM, I stand corrected.

    As far as all the other crap you just posted, well, ok, whatever you say. I don't really feel like carrying on the pissing contest any longer. I don't thrive on gossip the way you do and I'm not going to go any deeper into matters that are of no interest or concern to anyone else on this board.
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    Interestingly still no busts in RI clubs but there was a bust at a Worcester MA club last week. Very strange indeed. The club is about forty minutes up the road from Providence. I wonder if the local authorities where concerned about dancers bailing from Providence and trying to start problems in Mass? The owner at another Mass club has been quoted as saying he will not hire any dancers who came from RI clubs...

    For the record the case was thrown out in Worcester. Seems the cops where a little over zealous and didn't really have anything on the dancer in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Interestingly still no busts in RI clubs but there was a bust at a Worcester MA club last week. Very strange indeed. The club is about forty minutes up the road from Providence. I wonder if the local authorities where concerned about dancers bailing from Providence and trying to start problems in Mass? The owner at another Mass club has been quoted as saying he will not hire any dancers who came from RI clubs...

    For the record the case was thrown out in Worcester. Seems the cops where a little over zealous and didn't really have anything on the dancer in question.
    What were the allegations? As I recall from when I used to visit Springfield several years back, even "clean" contact by RI standards was still enough to run afoul of MA law. Except for CR (which rivaled RI) you pretty much had to sit on your hands during the dance.

    I don't know how believable the clubowner is when he makes a blanket statement like that. He probably figures saying something like that will deflect attention from him. I do believe however that he would be reluctant to hire any girls who left RI because they thought the new rules too strict.
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