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    Default Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    So, I've occasionally seen links to websites like this one:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5495629/...k-Up-Strippers

    All about how to chat up dancers and get dates. You know: don't sit down next to the stage, don't ogle her figure, try and show you are relating to her personally by calling her by name, etc, etc.

    So, last night I overheard two guys at the bar muttering to each other about how about how they were going to try this (or some variation) out on some of the dancers.

    Now, I only go to clubs to give one or two girls a lift home, so I partially fit this modus operandi. I sit well away from the stage, don't ogle the girl's, call them by name, buy them the occasional drink, etc.

    So in consequence, I get on well with quite a few dancers - who are perfectly aware I'm not going to buy dances, etc. I'm just someone they can relax with for 5 minutes. If they're working, they'll stop by for a friendly chat, and we laugh and joke, etc. Exactly the effect you should get by using the famed 'chat up' technique in the website above.

    End result - two very puzzled pick up artists.

    They got sussed by the dancers fairly early on, and largely ignored thereafter. And about 10 feet away, there's Phil doing all the things you should be doing, and getting on famously with a number of dancers.

    You could almost see the speech bubble above their heads: "hey, it's working for that guy - why isn't it working for us?"

    Heh, heh, heh......

    Phil
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    I've totally stared at guys' wallets with lust in my heart
    J.D. explaining how she reacts to guys staring at her body with lust in their hearts....

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    Those websites and articles are the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. I can pick a guy using those techniques out a fucking mile away. And I'll call them out on it too.

    I've embarrassed a few guys who came in looking to hook up badly enough that they won't show their face in the club again.
    "The mood is important. You can't get a lady with force.
    ...sweet things alone are not enough. Seduce me with more fire."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMynxx View Post
    Those websites and articles are the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. I can pick a guy using those techniques out a fucking mile away. And I'll call them out on it too.

    I've embarrassed a few guys who came in looking to hook up badly enough that they won't show their face in the club again.
    The sad thing is if you try anything often enough eventually it does work, there ARE dumb strippers out there just like there are dumb people in any other profession and some do end up banging this jackasses. It only takes one to make it a "proven method".

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    Proven method my ass. Sure, you'll pick up the girls where her crabs are so bad they eat through the condom and let all the other venereal nasties in. Ya'll have fun with that...
    "The mood is important. You can't get a lady with force.
    ...sweet things alone are not enough. Seduce me with more fire."

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    I don't understand why these guys insist on coming in. If you want to take the chance of trying to pick up a girl you can't be shocked when it doesn't work. Most people don't want to be targeted by cheap time wasters esp. at work! They're better off at a dance club or some other gathering place where the workers are paid by the hour and aren't independent contractors. For those women it doesn't matter if you waste their time!
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    Default Re: Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    I read that whole link, very funny. And yes, very obvious when it's being used.

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    I rather like the recommended line to 'close' the deal.

    "I can see there are a lot of lonely, desperate guy's in here who would like to pay for your company. I'll text you a little later, so watch your phone. There's a very cool bar down the street. I've be there later on - I'll have my buddy John the bartender make you one of his world-famous margaritas."

    Predict the most likely response:

    (a) Gosh, you're different from the other 100 guys who've asked me for a date this week. Of course I'll come from a drink with you.

    (b) F*ck off

    (c) Damn - I so mistook you for a lonely, desperate guy trying to chat me up.

    [and for a dancer with a work ethic]

    (d) Why don't you buy another couple of dances while we talk about it?

    Phil
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    If I have to waste any of my time with a guy like this, I will inform any girl in the club that I know AND the dressing room of who he is and why he is here.

    Even though, as strippers, we are technically competition, we can all work together and prevent these time-wasters from wasting space in the club.

    They don't sit at the bar and ignore us, they don't tell us "no thank you" when we come up to them and do our business. No, they attempt to humor us with a potential sale that they have no intention of following through on. It could be my life mission of stripping, aside from making money, to make their experience at the club as MISERABLE as possible.

    So, for any of you PUA reading this, pray you never come to one of my clubs, you will get laughed out of there!

    Addendum: if the club is busy and I'm making money, I won't do this, profit is motivation number one. In case any thinks I'm spending my days policing for these fools. But it only takes a second to whisper something in the ear of the club's resident gossip stripper who knows everyone and never shuts up.

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    If a guy has to act as something he is not, tactics won't help him - he won't be able to pull it off. Nothing an unattarctive woman can do would make me want to date or "bang" her. Anyone guy enough to take advice on style from Maxim deserves to look like a clown.
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    we are all perverts in the SC in my opinion. Hes a pervert, you're a pervert, I'm a pervert.

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    Default Re: Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    hahaha theres heeeaps of sites to educate men on how to pick up stripper. especially if its a 'proven method' nad doesnt matter what you look like, could be bald fat or over 60.

    never spend a penny on them, talk and brang loudly, you want to be the alphamale not the customer. double loser.

    give them drugs. heres a guide what girls take wat kinda drugs. girls do aything for drugs. invite them to get stoned at your place
    yeah like on a stripper salary a girl cant affor a joint or a line

    they really dont have a clue do they??

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    Default Re: Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    Oh thanks I've read this before and have to laugh when I see guys pulling a number 7 and chatting up the managers to boost their credibility.

    I'm posting this on my site so girls know what to look for. Unfortunately some girls get snagged by these predator types. It's an evil game.
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    Default Re: Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    "When she asks your name and what you do, ignore her"... "this keeps her in check" WtF??

    I can't believe I read that entire thing.

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    Default Re: Internet recommended chat up method for dancers falls flat on its face....

    I ran across that website a few days ago...........funniest shit ever.

    I think they mention this website in it too, but they say "access to a super secret website where dancers talk to each other, and act REAL. It's a surefire way into the psyche of the dancer, and the more you know, the more you can manipulate!" or something along those lines....

    It gets my vote for the creepiest/funniest/most pathetic website ever created, but I do have to hand it to the creators--good way to exploid pathetic lonely dudes who really think that it could work!!!!

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    True dat. The most successful money making schemes EVER are ones that sell you your own dreams.

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    I love those lists so much.

    "Be a jerk! Chicks dig that! Not paying attention to them makes them angry and lustful!"

    Or y'know, makes us walk on by and see who actually wants to spend money on us.

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    Pathetic article. I've had guys try every method listed, along with many others. Never worked for me. In fact, if I met a guy and he didn't spend money not only wouldn't I talk to him, I'd tell others. And actually, I'd resent these guys if they came in on a slower night more than a busy one. At least with a busy night I could talk to others. I've never heard of guys at the stage known as pervert row. Unless they aren't tipping there I don't think they are perverts. Any guy who thinks these tips work deserves to be single.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    So, I've occasionally seen links to websites like this one:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5495629/...k-Up-Strippers

    All about how to chat up dancers and get dates. You know: don't sit down next to the stage, don't ogle her figure, try and show you are relating to her personally by calling her by name, etc, etc.

    So, last night I overheard two guys at the bar muttering to each other about how about how they were going to try this (or some variation) out on some of the dancers.

    Now, I only go to clubs to give one or two girls a lift home, so I partially fit this modus operandi. I sit well away from the stage, don't ogle the girl's, call them by name, buy them the occasional drink, etc.

    So in consequence, I get on well with quite a few dancers - who are perfectly aware I'm not going to buy dances, etc. I'm just someone they can relax with for 5 minutes. If they're working, they'll stop by for a friendly chat, and we laugh and joke, etc. Exactly the effect you should get by using the famed 'chat up' technique in the website above.

    End result - two very puzzled pick up artists.

    They got sussed by the dancers fairly early on, and largely ignored thereafter. And about 10 feet away, there's Phil doing all the things you should be doing, and getting on famously with a number of dancers.

    You could almost see the speech bubble above their heads: "hey, it's working for that guy - why isn't it working for us?"

    Heh, heh, heh......

    Phil



    This whole post sounds like Bullshit to me. I've never overheard a conversation in a SC, especially from 10 feet away. The music will drown out any conversation unless you're right next to someone. I can't imagine a guy saying to another guy that he was going to try some pick up techniques and say it loud enough so someone can hear it 10 feet away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post
    This whole post sounds like Bullshit to me. I've never overheard a conversation in a SC, especially from 10 feet away. The music will drown out any conversation unless you're right next to someone. I can't imagine a guy saying to another guy that he was going to try some pick up techniques and say it loud enough so someone can hear it 10 feet away.
    Groan...... Can't you read?

    When I was at the bar I was standing next to them - and there was a momentary gap in the music.

    When Iwas sitting down, I was 10 feet away from where they were sitting.

    That's not to difficult to understand is it?

    Phil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post
    This whole post sounds like Bullshit to me. I've never overheard a conversation in a SC, especially from 10 feet away. The music will drown out any conversation unless you're right next to someone. I can't imagine a guy saying to another guy that he was going to try some pick up techniques and say it loud enough so someone can hear it 10 feet away.
    I'm kinda with Phil here - I've heard conversations in my own clubs from quite a ways away during lulls in the music or when the DJ is blabbing off about something and he turns down the music. SC's have their quieter moments, and if he was less than 10 feet away .... well, yeah. I can see him overhearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    So, I've occasionally seen links to websites like this one:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5495629/...k-Up-Strippers

    All about how to chat up dancers and get dates. You know: don't sit down next to the stage, don't ogle her figure, try and show you are relating to her personally by calling her by name, etc, etc.

    So, last night I overheard two guys at the bar muttering to each other about how about how they were going to try this (or some variation) out on some of the dancers.

    Now, I only go to clubs to give one or two girls a lift home, so I partially fit this modus operandi. I sit well away from the stage, don't ogle the girl's, call them by name, buy them the occasional drink, etc.

    So in consequence, I get on well with quite a few dancers - who are perfectly aware I'm not going to buy dances, etc. I'm just someone they can relax with for 5 minutes. If they're working, they'll stop by for a friendly chat, and we laugh and joke, etc. Exactly the effect you should get by using the famed 'chat up' technique in the website above.

    End result - two very puzzled pick up artists.

    They got sussed by the dancers fairly early on, and largely ignored thereafter. And about 10 feet away, there's Phil doing all the things you should be doing, and getting on famously with a number of dancers.

    You could almost see the speech bubble above their heads: "hey, it's working for that guy - why isn't it working for us?"

    Heh, heh, heh......

    Phil
    Groan.

    So basically you're as moronic as the two customers you mentioned?

    The reason it "works" for you is because you let the girls use you. Who's the bigger chump?

    You are most definitely "that guy"... there's one in every club..

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    Quote Originally Posted by harlequinn View Post
    Groan.

    So basically you're as moronic as the two customers you mentioned?

    The reason it "works" for you is because you let the girls use you. Who's the bigger chump?

    You are most definitely "that guy"... there's one in every club..
    And more groan.

    The only reason I go to pick up a (very few) dancers is that they're friends OTC - and have been for a good few years.

    And the only reason I go in is because the dancers ask me to. I'd quite happily pick them up outside....

    Phil.

    PS: Used by the dancers - I don't think so. I've never been a source of income for them....
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    I've totally stared at guys' wallets with lust in my heart
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    Saving money on petrol and expensive cabs IS like money in one's pocket, especially in expensive London.

    That being said, Phil is a nice guy and the relationship between him and his dancers seems genuine. They save money and don't have to risk a crazy cabbie, and he gets an insider's view into this odd subculture.

    I would have loved to have a safe, trustworthy driver in all my years of dancing. For the most part, I had my own vehicle, but I've been called a whore a few times by cabbies when travelling sans car. It would have been my pleasure to occasionally cook dinner and bring wine to such a friend, knowing that he would help me and not try and fuck me.

    I have hired drivers before whilst travelling, but I had to pay them regular fare. Cooking some dinners and sometimes throwing a 20-spot for rides is still far more economical than a running meter. These girls are smart. And Phil is happy, I don't think he is a pervert lecher like most of us, lol.

    But if the only driver I could find was a scumbag, or horrible company, etc, I'd take my own chances. Think..what's his name, ummm, Earl, as a driver versus Phil as a driver.

    I'd rather take the bus than get into a car with Earl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    And more groan.

    The only reason I go to pick up a (very few) dancers is that they're friends OTC - and have been for a good few years.

    And the only reason I go in is because the dancers ask me to. I'd quite happily pick them up outside....

    Phil.

    PS: Used by the dancers - I don't think so. I've never been a source of income for them....
    I think harlequinn's point is that while the pick-up artists are losers for thinking they can score by not being customers, you are doing basically what they do (as you said) but the strippers talk to you because you are useful to them as transport. He is saying they are using you for transport, which is equivalent to income for them (as KS_Stevia pointed out).

    I wonder why you go out of your way to drive for these strippers if you have for a long time been "over" the SC scene. They are your friends, but who regularly drives a number of his friends from work? How good are these stripper friends? Do you drive your non-stripper friends home from work also? Do strippers have special difficulties travelling from work? If you know these people that well that you go to SCs just to see them and help them, then can't you associate with them somewhere besides their place of work?

    I'm not knocking however and wherever you choose to hang out but you keep bringing up how you are over SCs, are friends with strippers, are not like the customers etc., like you are a rung above us normal customers in some way. It even sounds like you think you are less sleazy than the customers. It all rings false.

    If you have moved on from SCs, why are you posting at a stripper website? Even if you really are over SCs now, you still previously visited them for so long and so often that you are now friends with many of the strippers and other staff. And you are still in them 3 hours a week as a friend.
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    we are all perverts in the SC in my opinion. Hes a pervert, you're a pervert, I'm a pervert.

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    ^^^ Fantastic, I barely have to say another word! ^_^

    Exceeept that I'm on the pink side of things not the blue. =P But that's how I recognize this guy. There's a guy just like him at our club (and everyone elses) that many of the girls are "friends" with. Chubbie guy, getting on in years but somewhat socially stunted... He now calls himself the "stripper cab" (some guys seem to just LOVE having the imagined "privilege" or "distinction" of playing Stripper Chauffeur- what is that?? ).

    In reality there's no reason to honk ones own horn about it- all this means is that you are so non-threatening that even the savvy stripper isn't afraid to get in your car (not that this is a bad thing, necessarily, but it's ironic when you try to wear it like some sort of macho badge of honor).

    You say, "You could almost see the speech bubble above their heads: "hey, it's working for that guy - why isn't it working for us?" -except it wasn't actually working for you, was it? It may have LOOKED otherwise, but the only "picking up" of dancers you did that night was picking them up from work.

    The important thing to remember, Phil, is that just because a dancer talks or briefly/infrequently associates with you outside of work (even over a period of MANY years) this does not make her friendship "genuine", at least in the classical sense. It's exactly like KS_Stevia says- the girls are smart; their relationship with you is a calculated investment.

    But above all, I have to agree wholeheartedly with what Hopper said- your self-aggrandizing, self-celebrating anecdotal rhetoric rings false. Your whole bit in fact. You sound like kind of a tool... -.-;
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    ^Sorry harlequinn, I didn't look at your gender sign.

    I think Phil was amused by the way the PUAs were puzzled rather than gloating that he was really getting some himself, which of course he wasn't.

    I hope you are wrong about these strippers using Phil in that way, since it would be very sad for him to have been acting under such an illusion. I was questionning his motives rather than whether he had real friends in the SCs he goes to.

    If you are right, however, then it is time he got hip to the situation and gave these strippers the arse. If he has been in SCs as long as he says, I would expect him to have learnt better much earlier. It didn't take me long, and I'm not even a regular SC-goer.
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    we are all perverts in the SC in my opinion. Hes a pervert, you're a pervert, I'm a pervert.

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