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    Just came across this site recently and decided to sign up.

    I have a quick question for the boys. I understand the other side is primarily to support the hard working girls, but after reading a lot of their posts the last few days to get a sense of the site, the club world they talk about is not a world I even recognize.

    For me, I only go to clubs when I travel on business, and I almost always go to higher end gentlemen's clubs and do VIP. I will hang out for a while and meet some different girls and do a LD or two. Once I find a smart girl that can carry a conversation, have fun, and likes to party -- off to VIP. So maybe most of the disconnect is with local strip clubs that are dancing for tips.

    But anyway, many of the posts on the other side talk about how girls never do anything, but I can tell you this is far from reality at most clubs. Not only are LD's and general sit around the table getting more loose, but the VIPs are getting more "fun". I actually have to tone things down sometimes as I am not comfortable with certain things. And I have been getting asked by more than 50% of the girls in VIP to get together OTC next night or next time in town. Believe me, I am not saying this to piss any of the girls off or act like I am bragging, and I have never brought it up first once. The girls are doing the asking.

    I imagine if I posted this on the other side, a flood of "whore" comments would come out.

    So, what is going on?

    (a) the majority of girls posting on this site like to talk from a morale high ground, but are walking a different line in the club,
    (b) the majority of girls are working at different types of clubs that I don't visit.

    This whole site just seems a little off, not reality at all.

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    Welcome, Ron. And milk was a baaaaad choice.

    Yes, you've noticed the huge disconnect between reality and SW reality. I've written about it on numerous occassions. On SW, the girls brag about making hundreds/thousands of dollars a night and never even taking their clothes off. You've noticed that when you go to clubs, most girls are willing to do a lot more than that, and often as not, it's the customer who actually puts the brakes on mileage increases, not dancers.

    Don't worry about it, and don't try to convince anyone on Pink that it's anything but sunshine and lollipops. You're a customer and you're wrong, and they're dancers and they're right. That's the reality on SW (and I'll even give you this tip: It's how the Owner of this site wants it, so don't try to fight a battle you have no possibility of winning).

    I hope you'll look around and contribute to the posts here on Blue, we can always use another inamte or two down here.

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    I don't mean to be confrontational by this statement, but I doubt many people can say from personal experienced what "most" clubs are like. It can differ tremendously. South Florida for example, well known for being extras ridden. Portland, Oregon on the other hand, extremely clean city. Yes, there's the occasional extras ridden club here, but most are air dance only, strictly enforced. It can vary even between cities that are only a couple hours away, so dancers could easily travel to the areas that are a better fit for them.

    That being said, it's also been noted more and more on the pink side that extras have been on the rise dramatically over the past few years, even more so since the recession hit. If you read around more I think you'd notice it seems to be the number one reason dancers are citing for retiring these days.

    I see a lot of "disconnect" coming from blue in regards to what's being discussed in pink. I don't see how anyone can say it's all "sunshine and lollipops" considering one of it's chief purposes is to vent about the negative crap we have to put up with on the job. But that's how it goes, the guys seem to take it in extreme only. Either we're all deluding ourselves constantly about how great it is, or we have nothing but anger and hatred for customers. *shrugs*
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    My sense is that what is "normal" in many clubs in the past couple of years has gone way beyond what many of the ladies on the pink side wish to do or discuss. I don't believe that the "hands at your side" or air dance clubs exist at very many locations any more. Obviously I haven't been everywhere, but I spend about 200 nights a year on the road and I've probably been to clubs in 100 different cities in the past two years. The changes are pretty dramatic almost everywhere. Even places that were historically very tame are much looser. Things that were only reported to happen in places like Mitchell Brothers in San Francisco years ago now happen in most major cities in the country. Obviously there are exceptions like Boston and Portland, but there are also places like Detroit where the clubs are basically openly operating as brothels.

    Furthermore, guys who buy longer duration VIP dances have always gotten away with more liberties than a $20 lap dance. In today's world an extended VIP session pretty much ensures heavy contact anywhere but the vagina and often results in offers of outright sexual acts. I actually don't want a lot of what I get offered -- I like the touching but have zero interest in BJs or more in a strip club or taking a stripper home.

    If you read enough threads on the pink side, there are some ladies bemoaning the strippers offering oral and so on in the strip clubs. They are obviously and understandably not very happy about the changes. It seems clear that the average stripper and the average poster on SW are very different women. I'm always looking for pretty women than can hold an interesting conversation and have trouble finding them in the real world strip clubs, but most of the regular posters on SW seem smarter than me. In the real world, I get baffled expressions from words they should have learned in grade school.

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    Welcome Ron. Yoda, a person on this site, had a great explanation of the difference in the pink and blue sides. He says that Pink is the locker room and Blue is the sales floor (or something like that).
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    I don't really see a disconnect. You are sharing your experiences and the gals over in pink world are talking about theirs. I don't know what the percentages are (and I really don't care) but there are a lot of clubs where no contact at all is allowed. I know since I live in a state with many of them. There are also many where it can be anything from no-holds-barred full contact with extras to nothing more than a little mild touchy-feely allowed. As a customer you may think you have a handle on what goes on industry-wide based on your experiences but I can pretty much guarantee you that you don't. Your experiences are all very valid but really have nothing to do with what gets written by dancers on a dancer support forum.

    As for the OTC stuff, well seriously, no dancer in her right mind is going to come on to a web site and own up to that sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    II see a lot of "disconnect" coming from blue in regards to what's being discussed in pink. I don't see how anyone can say it's all "sunshine and lollipops" considering one of it's chief purposes is to vent about the negative crap we have to put up with on the job.
    I think this is one of the reasons of the "disconnect". The dancers on pink are often posting about the atypical/annoying customers, but not commenting about the 90%+ of their customers that are unremarkable. As Elvia says, a lot of the posts are venting.

    Another thing to take into account is the different way men and women deal with problems. Men tend to be problem solving - "to deal with this do (a) or (b)". Women often initially deal with problems by just wanting to talk about it. Which they tend to use pink to do.

    (Ofter the years I have learned it's often best just to nod wisely and say "that's terrible" when a woman first starts to vent about a problem. After 5 minutes of venting, they often feel better. However, if I make the mistake of offering solutions - that'll double the time of the vent and she'll throw in several "you don't understands").

    And to pick up on the point about differences from area to area. In London UK, a lot of the extra's dancers work at 'private parties' - essentially unlicensed events in hired premises. So guys obsessed with extras often go to the PP's in preference to mainstream venues. Means that there are less extras in the mainstream venues, but that some of the more notorious PP's are extra-fests.....

    If you were passing thro London and you didn't know about the PP's, you might think London was cleaner than it is....

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    A large part of the situation is the kind of clubs you are visiting, RBurgundy.
    *any club with a VIP room is definitely going to have more extras than clubs that have dances only out on the main floor.

    *High end gentleman's clubs charge exorbitant prices, and those customers expect to get a lot of action for their money (generally).

    *The clientele at the lower end clubs or neighborhood clubs don't have the kind of disposable income to afford extras that a VIP room situation offers.

    *Lower end clubs can't afford to pay off the authorities to look the other direction, so less mileage is available overall.

    And, yes, there is a lot of money available in the lower end clubs due to sheer volume. It is like comparing Neiman Marcus to Walmart, which company grosses more annually in sales? Walmart, because it has the sheer volume in numbers. Ditto with the lower end clubs.

    Also keep in mind that some regions have tight law enforcement control on the strip clubs. Oregon is like that. If you want extras you go to a studio where the girls only sell dances in pre-set time blocks. There isn't much in the way of VIP rooms, and those rooms are closely monitored by security to insure that the dancers are following the air dance rules to the letter. I know plenty of dancers that make $2k+ a week working in these clubs, because 100 customers spending $20 each tipping the stage is a decent way to earn a large sum of money.


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    The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.
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    And to get on my favorite hobby horse.

    Yes, the level of extras has gone up over the last 10 years (in London at least).

    And that can be correlated to a change in the business model of many venues - they've increasingly become reliant on the stage fees from dancers. Hence the number of dancers on a shift has steadily increased. So as the number of dancers goes up, it's more difficult for individual dancers to make a living, and some at least resort to extras to maintain earnings.

    If you were to reduce the number of dancers per shift, individual dancers would have the ability to earn more - and some of the pressure to do extras would reduce.

    I also think that putting up the number of dancers on a shift has hit owners profits.

    (a) If a place gets a reputation for prevalent extras, the more 'respectable' customers stop coming. They'll come to a place offering entertainment, but not to one offering barely concealed sexual activity. So too many dancers = less customers.

    (b) With too many dancers on a shift the dancers are bad tempered as they struggle to maintain earnings and have to hustle the (reduced) customer base hard to make even a modest living. And being hustled to death by stressed dancers is not an enjoyable way of spending time in a SC. Again, too many dancers = less customers.

    So putting more dancers on a shift put up short term profits, but hit long term ones. In London at least, many of the venues only have 50% of the customers they had 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.
    Gotta admit, funny stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    A large part of the situation is the kind of clubs you are visiting, RBurgundy.
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    Thanks for all the responses. I tend to agree that I am not familiar with air dance or tip clubs, which probably dominate in terms of numbers and girls, so that is one reason I couldn't reconcile a lot of the discussion on the other side with the clubs I like.
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    its very simple: the type of dancers that are a bit on the literate side, as least sufficient to discuss issues on this site and articulate their thoughts in reasonable detail , and especially those that post frequently, are simply less likely to be the type of dancers that engage in extras.

    some of the wild and crazy (often non-american) dancers i seem to run into often times, i can never imagine ever posting in here

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.
    OMG, that is great!. I had never thought of that analogy. Its awesome!...........And just try and tell the inmates that they aren't innocent...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBurgundy View Post
    This whole site just seems a little off, not reality at all.
    LOL...oh, you noticed, huh? yeah, it's a little off ,but not necessarily for the reasons you think. i could go into a lot more detail, but i'll keep it short and sweet. don't take SW seriously. SW is like television. extended viewings can rot the brain. in their entire history, there have only been perhaps only 10 posters up there that you can have a relatively normal discourse and most of them are long gone.
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    so, what does a guy do when he preemptively moves to another room, state, country, universe etc to avoid hearing the vent and the broad follows him? does he
    (a)steel himself with demerol and scotch in hand and face the inevitable?
    (b)pull out the 12-gauge shotgun?
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    its very simple: the type of dancers that are a bit on the literate side, as least sufficient to discuss issues on this site and articulate their thoughts in reasonable detail , and especially those that post frequently, are simply less likely to be the type of dancers that engage in extras. some of the wild and crazy (often non-american) dancers i seem to run into often times, i can never imagine ever posting in here
    <snicker> yet, another poor sap who's fallen for the old "SW posters must be dancers of higher caliber than most dancers i meet" bit. oh, when will it end? LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk View Post
    <snicker> yet, another poor sap who's fallen for the old "SW posters must be dancers of higher caliber than most dancers i meet" bit. oh, when will it end? LOL.
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    I believe that the disconnect between blue and pink has reduced over time in SW on the topic of club pragmatics. In 2004 the pink side proffered a Disney inspired view of what occurs in the club. At certain levels there is more tolerance for a "PG" discussion there, as long as the post is respectful and in accepted forums. Even though I post mostly on the blue side, this side is not the be all -end all either!

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    Here's the reason why; a few months ago, one of the girls posted about kissing some of her long-time, good spending clients. Can't remember who is was, but she's an established member.

    It was immediately followed by several pages of, "you're disgusting" type of posts to her. That's been happening on here for years. Hence, the Pavlovian deterrent of not discussing extras. No one wants to be flamed to death.

    That is why it is not discussed. Plus, as Elvia said, in many regions, dancing is very strict and regulated. Not where I come from though. I danced in one of the dirtiest cities in the country, so hearing about extras and OTC offers just rolls off my back, and makes me glad I'm not dancing anymore.

    Also, something to consider. A lot of girls have done "extra" stuff, for whatever reason, a few times, but its not their MO. It just happens, girls get drunk, are in desperation for money, or get pressured by custies before they know what's up. No point in mentioning that on the pink side, although you custies will have actually experienced that. Its kind of a shameful thing, on this site.

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    There is no doubt that there have been some remarkably emphatic rebukes to some honest statements made by members. Some of that "pavlovian response" has slowed due certain former moderators/zealots moving along. There will never be a total comfort level or tolerance for certain discussion. It is what it is! If I didn't find something worthwhile here, I'd have moved along as well. I will give kudos to mods such as Charlie61, who has allowed "reasonable" dialogue to exist that used to get shutdown - whether the originator of the topic was male or female and the discussion reasonable, or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockie View Post
    I believe that the disconnect between blue and pink has reduced over time in SW on the topic of club pragmatics. In 2004 the pink side proffered a Disney inspired view of what occurs in the club. At certain levels there is more tolerance for a "PG" discussion there, as long as the post is respectful and in accepted forums. Even though I post mostly on the blue side, this side is not the be all -end all either!
    You may also want to consider that much of the extras discussion is of an illegal nature, and IPs are like finger prints that point to particular person. When a prostitution bust is made, generally the burden of the law is heaped on the women, whereas the men are given a pass by LE unless he is famous in his own right (like Tiger or Sen. Ensign). It is in the interest of self protection to at least uphold the appearance of being a law abiding citizen even if the reality is something entirely different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RBurgundy View Post
    Gotta admit, funny stuff.

    I see nothing, I hear nothing, I do nothing...
    No, what you see is a higher smarter class of girls here. Of course there are girls that do extras. Of course you can go to just about any club and find a willing partcipant... that doesn't mean that you'll find that here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Here's the reason why; a few months ago, one of the girls posted about kissing some of her long-time, good spending clients. Can't remember who is was, but she's an established member.

    It was immediately followed by several pages of, "you're disgusting" type of posts to her. That's been happening on here for years. Hence, the Pavlovian deterrent of not discussing extras. No one wants to be flamed to death.<snip>
    you catty broads are still back-stabbing and backbiting at each over that crap? LOL..beautiful, keep up the good work. ironically, if anyone has been around this website long enough and seen the apocalyptic levels of drama on the pink site. one would know the outrage is as hollow and insincere as some of those who profess, "i only grind for 5 seconds not the entire dance", "i just show up for work and PLs give me money showers", "i'm the hottest, top earning, most talented, most intelligent, classiest, etc biatch in the club", or "i don't have sex with my sugar daddy". the only people they're fooling are themselves and the peanut gallery in CC who haven't been around long enough to know any better.
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    Re. the "disconnect" on this site:

    I think it does exist to some extent probably for the girls who dance in higher contact areas. They probably feel they need to edit their responses on pink to avoid the conflict and negative reaction that will ensue. On the other hand, I have been to clubs where the rules were strictly enforced and no contact beyond hand holding and the occasional knee brush were allowed. So it is possible they do work in such a club.

    But it is hard to believe if they complain about other dancers in their club doing extras.

    There is also the "disconnect" that probably exists to some extent within each club with each girl having her own personal limits.
    Two examples I can think of from personal experience:

    Dancer A, a former favorite of mine (she moved ), would encourage me to do the most unspeakable acts to/with her in the dance area. The mildest of which would get her eviscerated on pink if she were to confess them. We were sitting together after a spirited dance session one night watching dancer B on a satellite stage. When dancer B gave a stage tipper a deep French kiss, dancer A mutters "Fucking Whore" with disgust.

    Another time and place:

    Dancer C and I are discussing dancer D (well known for providing extras). Dancer C (who is quite pretty herself) says she doesn't see why dancer D does "that stuff" because dancer D is so pretty. A little later my fingers are inside of dancer C and we are French kissing.

    My point is none of those dancers probably tell other dancers what they really do whether it's at their club or on this website.



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