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    Default If this is "green jobs," we are in deep "fertilizer"

    BEIJING – A U.S. solar power company said Saturday it will help build a series of solar thermal power plants in China, as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases tries to decrease its heavy reliance on coal, imported gas and oil.

    California-based eSolar Inc. will provide Shandong Penglai Electric Power Equipment Manufacturing Co. with the technology and information to build the concentrated solar thermal power farms with a capacity totaling 2,000 megawatts.

    The $5 billion investment would be the largest such project in China, though the companies didn’t say who would be investing how much.

    “This is a huge jump for China,” said Deborah Seligsohn, director of the China climate program for the U.S-based World Resources Institute. “That amount suggests a number of commercial plants.”




    Nice how we are going to train them in how to eliminate ourselves from the new energy field.


    The United States is just plain fucking retarded.

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    Default Re: If this is "green jobs," we are in deep "fertilizer"

    That's creepy on many levels. Everything I'm reading about these "green jobs" makes most of them sound like minimum wage mostly uneducated jobs. If that's the case, we are screwed.

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    Default Re: If this is "green jobs," we are in deep "fertilizer"

    ^^^ also, don't forget that for every US 'green job' that is being created, it is necessary for the US gov't to spend something like $135,000 to provide grant money, to provide tax credits etc. such that the US 'green' company can be made to appear to be somewhat economically competitive.



    Of course, the other 'dirty little secret' in regard to US 'green' companies is that their major 'valuable product' is in fact the production tax credits ... tax credits which owners / partners in the 'green' company can in turn use to directly offset other income tax liabilities stemming from other ( non-green ) investment income ! Thus for 'uber-rich' Americans, investing in a 'green' company is better than a secret Swiss bank account.

    In the final analysis, the 'hardware' for 'green' electricity technologies involves semiconductor manufacture ( solar cells ), power electronics manufacturing ( inverters ), generator / motor / transformer manufacturing, etc. So once the initial design and development work ( performed in the US and Europe, and assisted by gov't grant money ) results in 'mature' practical products and proven 'pilot' installations ( performed in the US and Europe, and partially funded by tax credits ), the next step is that the technology will go mainstream. However, at that point, US and European manufacturers will face exactly the same cost disadvantages versus Asian competitors for manufacturing solar cells that they presently do manufacturing computer memory chips, the same cost disadvantages versus Asian competitors for generator / motor / transformer manufacture etc. Thus the likely real world end result of US 'green' jobs incentives / subsidies will be that American 'green' jobs become the new US installers and maintainers of lower cost foreign manufactured hardware, and the new US gov't employees who monitor 'greenness' ! However, this will be somewhat obscured by the fact that the Chinese manufactured wind turbine being installed on a hilltop near you 5 years from now and its Korean manufactured regulator has a General Electric nameplate stuck on it !

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    Default Re: If this is "green jobs," we are in deep "fertilizer"

    I've always doubted that Obama's promotion of green jobs will spur significant job growth. As Melonie points out, all the green manufacturing jobs are still done abroad, which leaves only the installers and maintenance aspects in the US. Maybe more jobs will come from the "smartphone revolution" that Jim Kraemer keeps hyping.
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