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    I was thinking of all the chuckling, sarcasm, and disbelief that you custies always have over SW pinkies who claim to make a significant portion of their money from conversation with customers.

    Let's see, what percentage of the world's strippers come onto SW and post, 1%?

    Out of those how many girls actively converse with customers, here and on the Blue side, twenty or so? And how many of those girls claim to get decent income from conversation? 5? 6?


    Gentlemen, this is not a statistically significant sample of strippers! You can't assume that most strippers make their income from conversation. You also can't assume these girls are lying either, because it does, in fact happen, all the time. And why would a stripper lie about this? Sometimes convo custies are GREAT EASY money. Wouldn't you be happy to have an easy customer in your line of business? And other times, those customers can be just as needy and annoying too, requiring a very clever girl to keep their interest in that manner. Believe me, sometimes its much EASIER just to grind away. Either way, its work, and there is a market for it.

    Hell, I worked at a club in Europe where there was no stage tipping, and 90% of our commissions came from upselling liquor and chatting up the custies. Lapdances were very uncommon. It does happen. Its not the norm in english speaking countries, but its not completely rare.

    So, next time you chide a Pinkie for making money off of conversation, think about it a little bit. It used to be the norm in the industry anyway...stage tips, and selling "ladies drinks" while being a hostess. Is it so impossible to believe that there are custies willing to pay equivalent money for conversation, as you do for grinding and BJ's in the dark corner?

    A girl who has a good hustle game, has been dancing a while, and maintains her regulars is bound to get a couple of these guys. Why do they do it, who knows? Who cares. They are getting the entertainment they want to pay for. Please, lay off the ladies about this. Thank you sincerely.

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    Fortunately I don't draw any conclusions about anything from what I read on Stripper web. I just come here to be entertained...

    I don't pay for convo because I buy dances but I've had plenty of favs over the years point out guys who pay them to sit and talk and gosh, I've even seen it happen with my own two eyes!

    That being said, as long as no one violates whatever rules of common courtesy exist here on SW you can't realistically expect guys in CC or in blue not to comment as they see fit and with their opinions about this or any other topic. That's what message boards are for. Some guys will believe but think it's silly, others will say that the girls are lying. So what? it's just an opinion. Again, that's why we are here.
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    I'll bet you say that to all the little green guys....
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    I pay for convo. Its pretty common in my town and can see how girls could make a good portion of $$$ of it. "Ladies Drinks" are in all but one club in town also. They range from $10 to $20 and the girls usually get half. The one club without ladies drinks is closest to WVU (college) and they have pretty cheap drinks, catering to the college crowd. Most regualrs don't do dances from what I can see, girls just hang with them for a while and are usually slipped $$$ at regular intervels or at the end of the night. Drinks are usually bought the whole time (as a side note most girls seem to drink pretty heavy and alot are trashed at the end of the night).
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    I had several guys who wanted conversations. Yes, I had guys who paid me hundreds of dollars in conversation. This was a few years ago, so I can't believe that this is uncommon now.

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    I find that so far, most of my income is from conversation. About 10 minutes or so into a conversation I'll go "I really hate being so forward, but is there any way I could talk you into buying me a drink? I just got off stage right before sitting with you and I'm awfully thirsty..." Works like a charm.

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    Are there really that many sad and lonely guys out there willing to pay a girl just for convo?

    Don't get me wrong,... I love convo with the dancers and I do "pay" for it by buying them drinks and buying lap dances... But, I can't imagine going into a SC for the sole purpose of paying a girl to listen to me talk. (However,... if it ever became necessary, I would rather pay a stripper to listen to me than pay a shrink to do the same.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Are there really that many sad and lonely guys out there willing to pay a girl just for convo?

    Don't get me wrong,... I love convo with the dancers and I do "pay" for it by buying them drinks and buying lap dances... But, I can't imagine going into a SC for the sole purpose of paying a girl to listen to me talk. (However,... if it ever became necessary, I would rather pay a stripper to listen to me than pay a shrink to do the same.)
    See, see. YOUR attitude and the like is why I made this thread. Why is it sad and pathetic? They are willing to part with their money for convo, so why judge them?

    I had a pay for convo regular who was really into the social and psychological aspects of the sex and adult entertainment industry. He was an attorney with a flexible schedule, and liked to come in early afternoons, buy girls's shots, and pay his faves $20 every song, or every other song, just to sit and bullshit. He was going through a divorce and had 5 young daughters. He said it felt strange getting lap dances and it made him uncomfortable. He preferred that his sexual interactions be with in a relationship with a woman he loved.

    But he enjoyed our attention, the flirtation. I can chat anyone up about any subject, always have a few dirty jokes to share, and we had a great time. However, he knew that time was money for us, as time was money for him when dealing with his clients. So he was more than willing to pay for the privilege.

    And BTW, he was a very handsome guy, and a gentleman. Any of us would have been thrilled to dance for him if he asked. But that's not what he wanted. He even tried to hire an escort once to see what it was like, and just couldn't get into it. But he loved to drink with fun, bawdy, sexy women.....you know Jack..the kind of women you were fantasizing over and wanted to meet and date so badly, at one time.

    Would this guy have paid any stick in the mud dancer for conversation? No, in fact, he gave several girls chances, paid them for their time, and turned them away, except for me and his favorite waitress.

    Now tell me, is that wrong? Is that pathetic? He never once asked me, or any other dancer/waitress on a date or tried to get OTC action from us. This was just his way to unwind. Everyone wins.

    Although there aren't many customers like that, there are certainly enough that the lovely, interesting, clever, and articulate girls on SW could attract and retain them as their clientele.

    Does that make sense?

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    And, to add...why is it pathetic to pay for conversation in a club where the customer can get far more than conversation without any level of hassle? Know what I mean? He's already in a strip club, he can get the girl naked in his lap, he can get grinding, contact, even sexual acts at many places. His money would be good for all of those things and he would find a willing woman.

    But he doesn't want that, he would rather chill with some young women that he probably couldn't get to sit around his table, in their underwear, bullshitting about football, the stock market, relationships, movies, etc....in his other public social outlets. And he knows better than to try and get that for free, because the stripper is always on the hustle, and won't feel relaxed if she isn't making money for her time.

    Maybe its like a shrink/therapist situation...whatever it does, its therapeutic for them. Shrinks tend to listen and analyze, maybe he doesn't want analysis, he wants a two-way conversation, and not about serious matters about his childhood. Why is that pathetic?

    He could spend $100 an hour at the shrink, or the same amount at the SC. But instead of looking at a replica of Dr. Freud, he can look at someone like jazaine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Are there really that many sad and lonely guys out there willing to pay a girl just for convo?
    Don't know but I do see plenty of guys having a blast with a hot stripper or two sitting at their table. They appear to be having a good time though I'm sure they are just cleverly disguising their misery with $20 bills...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    See, see. YOUR attitude and the like is why I made this thread. Why is it sad and pathetic? They are willing to part with their money for convo, so why judge them?
    I'm not judging, KS... But, can you imagine someone asking YOU for money every time you wanted to talk to that person? YOU wouldn't feel sad about having to pay that person to listen to you and pretend to be your friend?

    Having said that, people pay me to listen to them, too... I'm a lawyer, and people pay me for my legal advise, but very often they're just venting. For example, I'll spend 1 to 2 hours meeting with a client and listening to them vent about personal problems. Only 5% of the convo time actually related to the particular legal issue I'm advising them on. The other 95% of the time, they were paying me to listen and empathize.

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    But he enjoyed our attention, the flirtation. I can chat anyone up about any subject, always have a few dirty jokes to share, and we had a great time. However, he knew that time was money for us, as time was money for him when dealing with his clients. So he was more than willing to pay for the privilege.
    What is sad about this is that most of us have friends that don't charge for social interaction and that derive pleasure from our company... This man must be lacking in that area and he must feel insecure about making new friends and flirting in a social setting.

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    But he loved to drink with fun, bawdy, sexy women.....you know Jack..the kind of women you were fantasizing over and wanted to meet and date so badly, at one time.
    But, I also fantasized about how erotic and sensual dancers are... I can't imagine having a sex godess talking to me and not getting a little closer to her... to appreciate her highly-developed skills...

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    Now tell me, is that wrong? Is that pathetic? He never once asked me, or any other dancer/waitress on a date or tried to get OTC action from us. This was just his way to unwind. Everyone wins.
    I'm not saying it's wrong,... just a little sad... He obviously needs genuine friends that appreciate his company and will spend time with him without charging money for their time... I feel the same way with clients who are being billed $150/hr to talk to me, and all they are doing is vent about personal non-legal matters... It's obvious to me that, usually, they have no one else that will listen and empathize... Sometimes, I feel terrible billing them for the two hours they spent in my office talking about personal problems, but, I have to bill for my time.

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    Maybe its like a shrink/therapist situation...whatever it does, its therapeutic for them. Shrinks tend to listen and analyze, maybe he doesn't want analysis, he wants a two-way conversation, and not about serious matters about his childhood. Why is that pathetic?
    I agree with this. If I needed any therapy, I would much rather get it from a hot dancer than an old fart shrink. But, a lap dance thrown in for good measure wouldn't hurt...
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    Getting paid to talk is not the norm for me anymore. I mean, it was never really the NORM, but I would have guys do it every so often. Now, I'll have guys that, after an hour, will magnanimously hand me $10 and I'm like...wtf...

    Part of that is the area I live in, part of that is the season, part of that is the economy. But the number one reason is, the majority of the girls at my club do not encourage tipping for time. They'll just sit and talk and talk and talk for hours, hoping that eventually the guy will maybe buy a single dance. So, guys have learned they can be cheap.
    I make my money off of dances. Tipping for conversation is nice and I encourage it, but I don't really expect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post

    Having said that, people pay me to listen to them, too... I'm a lawyer, and people pay me for my legal advise, but very often they're just venting. For example, I'll spend 1 to 2 hours meeting with a client and listening to them vent about personal problems. Only 5% of the convo time actually related to the particular legal issue I'm advising them on. The other 95% of the time, they were paying me to listen and empathize.
    My physician friend has the same problem ,so does my attorney friend, my accountant, my financial advisor, and of course, my therapist. That's just the nature of our industries, often people want to talk to someone that is NOT their spouse who doesn't understand, or their buddies in their social circle who will judge them and make fun of them.


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    What is sad about this is that most of us have friends that don't charge for social interaction and that derive pleasure from our company... This man must be lacking in that area and he must feel insecure about making new friends and flirting in a social setting.
    He has been married for 20 years. All his friends know his wife, and/or are buddies from work. He can't talk to his buddies about hookers and strippers. Also, how often do you and your buddies talk intimately about your deepest feelings? Don't know many guys who go into that while swinging their golf clubs.



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    But, I also fantasized about how erotic and sensual dancers are... I can't imagine having a sex godess talking to me and not getting a little closer to her... to appreciate her highly-developed skills...
    Who says these guys don't get close to us? We sit in their laps, there is mutual hugging, and some nudity and touching sometimes...just not in the context of a lapdance.

    As I said for the case of this regular, lapdances gave him more anxiety and guilt than arousal. He still loved his wife, and felt that it was cheating. Sure, he was lonely. Haven't you ever been lonely? Did it make you pathetic? Who knows, maybe at this point, he's been a divorced bachelor for some time, and has made some of his own friends. But during that period of his life, paying smart, hot girls to drink and talk was his baby steps way of branching out.

    I had another convo regular who was a war veteran and had chronic ED from his injuries. Having a dancer squirming and grinding was frustrating to him, but he still enjoyed the company of a spry young lady. It reminded him of his youth and made him feel young again.


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    I'm not saying it's wrong,... just a little sad... He obviously needs genuine friends that appreciate his company and will spend time with him without charging money for their time.e.
    I never charged him a penny for my time. He asked me to sit with him, put the money in my hand, and kept handing it to me every song, or other song. He told me I was free to leave anytime. When a stripper works, she needs to make money. Also, I believe, this guy has taken other strippers and his fave waitress out for food and drinks after their shifts. And he never paid them for showing up then. If he had wanted me to join him for drinks and/or dinner, I would have happily gone and not charged him for my time, as I would be off the clock at this point.

    Don't you understand..these guys KNOW we are not their friends, they know they are paying for our time so they can be genuine and themselves, so that we can flirt and tease them.

    Try talking about hookers and strippers at a dinner party with your wife, and friends with their wives. Often people, especially those with families, lose touch with a lot of old friends, and only have a chance to socialize with people they know through their family or professionally. Like you don't know this. C'mon. Maybe a guy has been so focused on his career, marriage, and raising 5 children over 20 years that he didn't have time to cultivate drinking buddies? Now, that man is alone, and he doesn't want to chat with a bunch of old fellow lawyers dudes, or men who know his ex-wife, and might tell her something that would make him look bad in his divorce.

    Also, you try and walk into a bar and strike up a conversation with a bunch of hot chicks. See how welcome they are going to be to you talking about strippers and hookers and unabashedly flirting with them. They won't react well.

    This person is getting exactly what he wants and he has the money to do it. He isn't spending money that makes him feel guilty, ie, lapdances. He is spending money for the time of a fellow professional. You can laugh all you want about strippers being "professionals." Technically it is an unskilled labor type of job.

    But some of us know how to keep a man like that entertained, we give him exactly what he wants. Think about geishas and courtesons. Plenty of men have paid handsomely for their company, for centuries...when prostitutes have been around just as long.

    Its not lonely or pathetic. Your lack of empathy is alarming. Remember, most men don't pay for conversation. And most strippers aren't clever enough to keep a man so intrigued that he will pay for the pleasure of her time and company repeatedly.

    But when the two meet, its win/win for everyone, and both parties are satisfied.

    Geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    . I feel the same way with clients who are being billed $150/hr to talk to me, and all they are doing is vent about personal non-legal matters... It's obvious to me that, usually, they have no one else that will listen and empathize... Sometimes, I feel terrible billing them for the two hours they spent in my office talking about personal problems, but, I have to bill for my time.
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    You shouldn't feel bad. Its your job, and they are aware that they will be charged for your time. Money doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. Some people are happily willing to part with the $300 bucks because they like you and trust you.

    You'd make a terrible stripper feeling guilty about taking people's money, lol.

    Also, in my other, very professional and respected career, I also billed for my time, although I did a flat few over a period of time. After I accessed the client, and figured they were chatty, needy, or time consuming, I would adjust my rate upwards. And I never once had a complaint that I overcharged. People will pay for this kind of thing, just enjoy it, you aren't suckering anyone out of money they know they are parting with.

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    Getting paid to talk is not the norm for me anymore. I mean, it was never really the NORM, but I would have guys do it every so often. Now, I'll have guys that, after an hour, will magnanimously hand me $10 and I'm like...wtf...

    Part of that is the area I live in, part of that is the season, part of that is the economy. But the number one reason is, the majority of the girls at my club do not encourage tipping for time. They'll just sit and talk and talk and talk for hours, hoping that eventually the guy will maybe buy a single dance. So, guys have learned they can be cheap.
    I make my money off of dances. Tipping for conversation is nice and I encourage it, but I don't really expect it.
    Its not the norm here either. I've only worked at one club where it was the norm, but that was in a different country, and there were a ton of cultural differences.

    The trick to getting them to pay for time is to let THEM offer it, and to offer it upfront. I've made the newbie mistake of sitting with a guy forever, who has been hustling me, then hands me $5 and his phone number, wanting to meet for sex.

    The real convo guys will let you know upfront what they are interested in.

    And BOO to the girls who sit with guys for hours and hours for free. They need to grow some brains and hustle skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    I pay for convo. Its pretty common in my town and can see how girls could make a good portion of $$$ of it. "Ladies Drinks" are in all but one club in town also. They range from $10 to $20 and the girls usually get half. The one club without ladies drinks is closest to WVU (college) and they have pretty cheap drinks, catering to the college crowd. Most regualrs don't do dances from what I can see, girls just hang with them for a while and are usually slipped $$$ at regular intervels or at the end of the night. Drinks are usually bought the whole time (as a side note most girls seem to drink pretty heavy and alot are trashed at the end of the night).
    You wouldn't be talking about SouthernX princeton would you? Our drinks are 12$ for a mixed drink, 20$ for wine and 100$ for a bottle of champange. Our first 4 drinks pay our tip out, which is why so many girls push for them before dances and you see alot of guys buying them. As far as being slipped money, tips are not allowed unless on stage, if a girl is caught she must surrender the whole amont(sucks, but keeps extras girls out). Most regulars do VIPs and hottubs, not regular dances, which is why you dont see them heading to the regular dance room. Trashed girls used to be a problem, but there is now a 1000 dollar fine for getting too sloshed on a busy money making night (slow nights is more accepted), so girls regulate themselves more. As far as the op, I have one or two regulars who do come in just to converse with me. These custies know that for my time and their enjoyment of my linguistic skills, a glass of wine is proper payment for my time lol, and they usually limit their visit to an hour and will tip when I am called to stage.
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    To extrapolate upon Katya and others:

    A good convo tipping customer isn't giving us $1,000 an hour to chat with us, its not THAT pathetic. My boyfriend's stripper ex had her custy by her boobs, a car, and a motorcycle. I am still eluded to those types of customers. But a good convo paying customer isn't a fool. He is WELL aware that he can get contact, even full sexual service, for the same price. On average, mine have paid about $100/hr. Sometimes more, sometimes less. That's excellent money for a midshift time, and most dancers would be happy to have it. Is it a good strategy on a busy evening when the dancer could be potentially making $300-400 an hour? No. That's why a good convo custy doesn't come in at these times.

    So many people will blow $100 on something stupid at the drop of a hat...its not such a huge expense. And for the ones that do spend $1,000s at a time for conversation...well, they have a lot more money than either you or I.

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    I get paid to talk and flirt and drink. Sometimes I sit there and chat and sip my champagne with my tits out just for added entertainment lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatjaMolotov View Post
    You wouldn't be talking about SouthernX princeton would you? Our drinks are 12$ for a mixed drink, 20$ for wine and 100$ for a bottle of champange. Our first 4 drinks pay our tip out, which is why so many girls push for them before dances and you see alot of guys buying them. As far as being slipped money, tips are not allowed unless on stage, if a girl is caught she must surrender the whole amont(sucks, but keeps extras girls out). Most regulars do VIPs and hottubs, not regular dances, which is why you dont see them heading to the regular dance room. Trashed girls used to be a problem, but there is now a 1000 dollar fine for getting too sloshed on a busy money making night (slow nights is more accepted), so girls regulate themselves more. As far as the op, I have one or two regulars who do come in just to converse with me. These custies know that for my time and their enjoyment of my linguistic skills, a glass of wine is proper payment for my time lol, and they usually limit their visit to an hour and will tip when I am called to stage.
    No not Southern-X, I am taking Morgantown Clubs. If any of Mo'town's clubs had a $1,000 fine for drunk girls the could install a solid gold pole within a week LOL.

    Now I don't expect convo at 1am on a weekend or a after a home football game when the club is packed (but even these have only been moderately crowded). But at 9 pm on a week night I can get every dancer in the house just hanging out if I am buying drinks.
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    What is sad about this is that most of us have friends that don't charge for social interaction and that derive pleasure from our company...
    I got lots a friends to hang out with for social interaction and pleasure but I DON"T want to see any of them naked or in a little dance outfit.

    Shiver at the thought of some... YUCK (sorry buddies but its true).
    I can do better than you in a two bit fancy house

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    I tip for convo all the time, i don't think I've bought a dance in months.

    The amount i spend on a dancer is not prearranged and I have never been asked for a tip while talking.

    We will be talking and she has to go on stage so i tip her a 20, she comes back and i buy her a drink, another trip to the stage another 20, and on and on it goes. If she has something better to do she moves on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I get paid to talk and flirt and drink. Sometimes I sit there and chat and sip my champagne with my tits out just for added entertainment lol.
    I'm being entertained just reading about it!
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    We tend to judge other people by our own standards.

    I'll guess most of the males on this board (and in this thread) buy dances, not convo. And because that's what they do, they can't comprehend anyone doing different.

    But guys will pay for conversation - I've seen them doing it. (And even more that that, if the dancers say it happens - I believe them). There could be plenty of reasons why a guy pays for convo.

    (a) Wants to date the dancer and thinks buying dances could wreck his chances

    (b) Wants to get problems out of his system by talking to a stranger who'll never be in a position to repeat it to his circle of friends

    (c) Likes the ambiance of a strip club but doesn't like buying dances.

    (d) Wants to stay in the strip club longer and thinks conversation is cheaper than buying dances.

    (e) Sales guy who's on his own all week and just wants a conversation with someone - anyone.

    (f) Etc, etc, etc.

    If the person paying for the conversation is enjoying it - who are we to judge them?

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    I've totally stared at guys' wallets with lust in my heart
    J.D. explaining how she reacts to guys staring at her body with lust in their hearts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Who says these guys don't get close to us? We sit in their laps, there is mutual hugging, and some nudity and touching sometimes...just not in the context of a lapdance.
    Okay, if he's getting a lot of physical contact, even without a lap dance, than that's a win-win -- I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Don't you understand..these guys KNOW we are not their friends, they know they are paying for our time so they can be genuine and themselves, so that we can flirt and tease them.
    Again, I'm not saying this is wrong... Its just a little sad... It's like they've given up on trying to earn friendships and just want to pay for it. -- Pay someone to act like they are interesting and charming, so they don't have to work at really being interesting and charming.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Try talking about hookers and strippers at a dinner party with your wife, and friends with their wives.
    Not at the dinner table... But, drinking in a bar with friends, anything can come up, and the wild chicks at the bar will make me blush.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Often people, especially those with families, lose touch with a lot of old friends, and only have a chance to socialize with people they know through their family or professionally. Like you don't know this. C'mon. Maybe a guy has been so focused on his career, marriage, and raising 5 children over 20 years that he didn't have time to cultivate drinking buddies?
    I've been there... There are many ways to make new friends (that don't charge for their time)... He can join a gym, civic group, arts group, co-ed sports group (cycling, kayaking, rock climbing, etc.) take or teach continuing education college courses, etc... After my divorce, I got involved as a board member in a visual arts coalition group and made a lot of new friends... In this organization there were lots of young beautiful female artists and only a few guys - most of which were gay. Needless to say, it was a great way to meet women. Aside from the social aspects, you can get a lot from participation in some activity like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Also, you try and walk into a bar and strike up a conversation with a bunch of hot chicks. See how welcome they are going to be to you talking about strippers and hookers and unabashedly flirting with them. They won't react well.
    First of all, if you become a regular at a cool bar (instead of the SC), know and chat with the bartenders and walk around like you own the place, you can strike up a conversation with anyone.

    Also, if your lawyer customer assumes a high-profile leadership position with a civic or arts organization (which is easy for a lawyer to do)... and assuming he is not despicable-looking... he will meet lots of attractive women.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    This person is getting exactly what he wants and he has the money to do it.
    He's getting a fantasy, nothing more... The problem is that his fantasy is getting in the way of making real friends, which is a basic human need.

    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Its not lonely or pathetic. Your lack of empathy is alarming.
    I'm not persecuting the guy, I'm just saying... its a little sad. If this is just temporary, as part of his transition into being single, then it's okay... But, if he's given up totally on making friends or meeting attractive women,... then that is sad to me.

    Just tell me honestly how you would feel if every time you wanted to chat and hang-out with your "friends", you had to pay them for the company... and you could never really know whether they genuinely like you or not... or whether they considered you a clever and interesting person or a fool.

    This is not a criticism of you as a dancer. Nor am I suggesting that you shouldn't charge for your time, of course you should... If the guy has given up on having a real social life, then,... it's a good thing that he has the SC and is not lonely at home watching 'Friends' reruns... But, its still a sad thing.

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