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    Default Feeling like a noob all over again!

    So last night was my first night at my new club and I have no idea how to work the hustle here. It is pretty much the polar opposite of the club I worked at before.

    Old club: Lapdance factory. You introduce yourself to the customer and talk to him for maybe 30 seconds before asking if he wants a dance.

    New club: Gown club. Girls sit and talk to customers, and customers expect this before they spend money. The girl who was doing my training explained that "they like to feel pampered here".

    At my first club it was so easy to make good money (during the busy season at least) without having to engage in a single conversation beyond the most basic small talk. Like, it was totally common to walk up to a guy and have him ask for a dance before you even asked what his name was! I'm realizing now that my SC conversational skills are seriously underdeveloped as a result of never really needing to use them.

    I can tell that talking with customers the right way is somewhat of an art form, different guys need to hear different things and etc. This is just sooo foreign to me, coming from a club where I could use the same 3-5 lines all night. I feel like I'm starting over at square one. I will definitely be subscribing to DancerWealth soon, but in the meantime I could really use some pointers. Especially with "reading" the customers, keeping the conversation going in the right direction, projecting the right level of seductiveness, etc. Also with establishing regulars; my old club got a lot of bachelor parties and was also busy enough that it wasn't necessary to have regulars so I never learned what to say to keep guys coming back.

    Thanks for your help guys!

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    Default Re: Feeling like a noob all over again!

    Make dates with your customers. " So See you Tuesday for more fun right." You want to make them feel like you are his friend but a very sexy and somewhat expensive one. Find other talents that you can do. I will usually tell jokes and offer a massage before going into the dance. You might get alot of suits at your new club, these guys expect the best treatment and overall best of everything be elegant and more of a courtesan here. You should read 7 triggers to a Yes awesome book at reading people. Good luck hun.

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    Default Re: Feeling like a noob all over again!

    hey i know what you are going though! I posted something similar several months ago when i made my first move to a gown club.

    it takes some getting used to but you will get the hang of it. and when you do you will be glad, adaptability is an awesome thing to have in this business .

    i personally like working one gown club and one 'lap dance factory' at the same time. then i can chose where to go depending on my mood... some days i really do not want to talk to people for more than 5 seconds and other days i dont want to move quickly.

    also, if you can transfer some of the hustling skills it will help a lot. what i mean by this is, if you are really good at the fast paced hustle, it is possible to do fast paced hustle in a gown club. and if you are used to hustling quickly, then you will have an edge over the girls who are used to talking to a guy for 15 min before selling anything. at one club i worked at, i used to be able to sell half hour rooms often within like 5 min. and the skills of the slow hustle will work the other way too,... at hte lap dance factory that attracts younger customers, when a wealthier older gentleman does walk in you will better know how to interact with him to get him to spend all of his money on you, even if the situation doesnt often lead to this. i.e. you work in a 10$ dance club with no CR and manage to sell a block of your time to chat iwth the regular so you arent hustling 10$ dances all night.

    Since you are an alternative, i am curious as to whether working in a gown club will alter your look... i started dancing with short blue hair.. when i started working in the gown club i toned down my look... 2 months after starting the short blue hair had been replaced by black hair with extensions and a fake tan... then i went blonde with extensions. it wasnt necessary per say, but for whatever reason i felt driven to ditch the alternative look. although i still have the most metal tramp stamp of all time, so ill always be slightly alternative .
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Feeling like a noob all over again!

    Well in regards to being alternative, I already ditched the synth dreads when I started at my first club, not so much because I couldn't make money with them as because there were already three other girls there with them. Plus my hair was getting too long to braid into extensions. I actually had some dark red put in my hair for this club because there are a lot of brunettes there already, but I don't think you can really see it in the club lighting. Oh well.

    For some reason I'm actually really tempted to start rocking the synth dreads again at this club...my hair has grown a lot though and I'm not ready to cut it off quite yet since I've spent the last three years growing out a shaved head. But after the summer I'll probably be sick of it and find a way to rock the dreads in a gown!

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    Default Re: Feeling like a noob all over again!

    Talk to them like a normal person with no hustle.

    What it sounds like from what your trainer said "they like to be pampered" which means they are high maintenance and find it rude that you would treat them like a man who pays for sex.

    For years I didn't ask guys what they did for a living. They were shocked by this because that is usually the first question out of peoples mouths in or out of a club. (Recently I've gone back to it but you just have to test it out and see what works.)

    If a guy makes lots of money he will tell you what he does for a living without you asking even if he doesn't like looking or feeling like a human ATM.

    Say "oh that's cool" then change the subject to just about anything other than sex and money.

    What's the last movie you saw? What are some good restaurants you like in the area? What have you seen since you've been in town? Where do you like to travel? When you're bored at work what would you rather be doing? What do you do for fun? Where's the last place you traveled to or want to go?

    Get their opinions and leaving out the subject of sex will drive them mad. Flirt with your body, and eyes and be human and they'll usually ask you for the dance.

    If they already like you this is more reason for them to like you because you're warm and not wanting to immediately dig through their wallet.

    My club used to be a Wanna Dance? club and slowly transitioned over the years.

    Act like you're not even in a strip club. When is the last time most guys had anyone ask them what kind of movies they liked? Not recently no doubt.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    When is the last time most guys had anyone ask them what kind of movies they liked? Not recently no doubt.
    I'll make sure to use this question when I work tonight. I tried talking like a normal person during my first shift and it didn't work well for me, I had some interesting conversations but nobody was turned on. I think I need to find the fine line between being sexy and conversing normally, and I guess everyone's is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XAnastasiaX View Post
    I will usually tell jokes and offer a massage before going into the dance. .
    i think massages are always a good call. I think a lot of guys actually like giving them more than receiving though, it inflates their ego knowing theyre physically pleasing a beautiful woman, & it gives them a taste of the physical contact theyre desiring.

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    I was just at your club last night, it looked like a tough crowd... the ladies were just sitting with one or two guys aaaalllll night, I didn't see money exchanging much...that club really confuses me! at least all the guys at the rail tip which is a blessing in itself. I like athenathefabulous idea of working at two clubs may have to take her advice myself

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    Edited: I ended up calling this club and telling them I quit. Too many cons, especially the ridiculous shift requirements, and it's not worth it to me to put in the time to (maybe) build up enough regulars to make it worthwile.
    Last edited by Lola_sinn; 01-16-2010 at 06:13 PM. Reason: I needed someone to call me a WAAAHmbulance!

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    how are the weekends there? They don't sound flexible and that sounds like a huge problem for you and your classes I really do have faith that your saturday will be better. It doesn't sound right for you and you listed so many negatives that I think you've already made up your mind about leaving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola_sinn View Post
    Ok guys, I'm seriously considering leaving this club already and I'd appreciate some feedback on whether my issues with them are dealbreakers or just problems that I'm having trouble adjusting to.

    -Girls are required to be on the floor at all times to "entertain" the customers. This means that, even if there's plainly nobody in the club who's interested in in talking to you, even if there's only three customers, even if everybody has already rejected you, you still have to sit and make conversation with a customer even though both of you would rather be doing something else. Breaking this rule (or any of the other 5 million rules there) can get you fined.

    -There is literally NO WAY to hustle at this club, the way things work there is really strange. You basically have to sit there and stroke guys egos until they ask you-or don't ask you-for a dance or VIP and any kind of pressure or hustle, no matter how low key, really turns them off. It doesn't make any sense and makes me want to pull my hair out. It is also the kind of place where you have to take the time to build up clientele (and it can take a long time from what they tell me) before you can make the big bucks and I don't know if I have the patience.

    -Even though I go out of my way to have toned-down pinup look, customers keep telling me I'm "intimidating" or "scary-looking". Last night I even talked to a former bouncer who was there as a customer and he told me I would have trouble there because of my appearance. This, despite the fact that other girls walk around in dominatrix/bondage costumes and make money. I know I shouldn't let this get to me but it really does, last night I was actually in the dressing room in tears. I'm also starting to get a handle on who the high earners are and they all have a very submissive personality and appearance. (I'm bigger/taller than almost every girl at this club btw, and I'm only 5'6") I'm thinking I just might not have what it takes to make money here and should go somewhere where my look and personality are appreciated.

    -This club has strict shift requirements. I am a full time student and was told during the week that management would likely let me work around my class schedule. This was not true. They want me to come in three times a week including 2 weekdays when I have classes all day from 9 AM. It also takes me over an hour to get to this club because I have to fight inner-city traffic. This pisses me the fuck off.

    -You can't leave early at this club. They don't let anybody leave until 30 minutes after closing when they have cleared all the customers out of the parking lot. I understand the thinking behind this rule, but I still don't like it. I'm an independent contractor and I should be able to leave whenever the fuck I want as long as my house fees are paid. Especially since I have such a long commute back.

    Erg. I dunno, I had really high hopes for this club but I'm starting to think I don't belong there. I have to go get ready soon because I'm working a double (which I guess means I will spend a lot of time talking to broke Saturday afternoon regulars for free) and the thought of being in there all day and night is making me want to cry *again*. The main reason I wanted to work at this club so much is because it is one-way contact and I was getting burned out at a high two-way contact club previously, but now I'm thinking I should just find another place in the city and work as a no/low touch girl there.
    in regards to the no way to hustle, is this a club rule or you just feel like hwen you hustle the customers get pissed off? If its the latter, then you can work around it... it just takes practice and a different approach.

    as far as always having to entertain, i hate bullshit like that. it is very regional. Clubs shouldnt be telling you how to entertain since you are an independent contractor. honestly whenever i work at a club that tries to tell me i have to talk to customers or cannot hang out in the DR when it is slow, i find ways to get back at the club. like ok fine , you can make me talk to this guy, but i think i am going to talk about geology or some shit that will drive him out of the club (assuming he is not going to spend money on me). so fuck you club, this guy is not MY customer because he is not spending money on me, and by violating my status as independent contractor i have just caused you to lose YOUR customer because he was spending money on drinks.

    yea i dont do well at micromanaging clubs.

    i understand the high contact burn out. when i worked at pittsburgh i seriously hated dancing, and i have never hated danicng regularly (ive had nights that ive hated but we all have) before i worked there. now that i have left the high contact nude clubs, im back to being a happy stripper.

    yea i would test out another club. maybe try one in the burbs. clubs in the burbs can be surprisingly awesome.

    i get the feeling philly is all about micromanaging and bad management. when i worked at cheerleaders in pittsburgh, the housemom was like "yea we used to put girls on a monthly schedule but they didnt like it " and i was like "well yea, we are strippers and independent contractors. i dont see that working." and she replied "well it worked for cheerleaders in philly" in a very snide tone. and since cheerleaders is THE club responsible for the high contact nude dances along with alcohol in the pgh city limits, i am assuming that this is because this is the norm in a lot of philly.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    Clubs shouldnt be telling you how to entertain since you are an independent contractor. honestly whenever i work at a club that tries to tell me i have to talk to customers or cannot hang out in the DR when it is slow, i find ways to get back at the club. like ok fine , you can make me talk to this guy, but i think i am going to talk about geology or some shit that will drive him out of the club (assuming he is not going to spend money on me). so fuck you club, this guy is not MY customer because he is not spending money on me, and by violating my status as independent contractor i have just caused you to lose YOUR customer because he was spending money on drinks.

    yea i dont do well at micromanaging clubs.
    Hahahahahaha that's hilarious! This club is actually in the suburbs of Philly, but there are a couple clubs in the city that I know for a fact have similar requirements, maybe more. Honestly though the thought of that doesn't bother me as much when I don't need to drive over an hour to get there fighting inner city traffic.

    Cheerleaders in Philly is actually a bikini club, but is by far the highest contact club in the city, and Philly is a pretty high contact city to begin with. It's one place I will never set foot in to work, I've heard so many nasty stories about that place. Somebody even brought in a gun and shot it up a few years back! I feel ya about that place, I remember reading your posts about it and Pittsburgh in general. I lived in P-burgh for a year and had a surprisingly similar experience even though I wasn't dancing at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    Talk to them like a normal person with no hustle.


    For years I didn't ask guys what they did for a living. They were shocked by this because that is usually the first question out of peoples mouths in or out of a club. (Recently I've gone back to it but you just have to test it out and see what works.)
    Never EVER ask a guy or anyone for that matter "what do you do for a living" It makes you look like your a social climber or a gold digger. Instead of asking, "so what do you do?" Remember these 8 words... repeat after me... "SO HOW DO YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME" If they don't want to talk about what they do, this gives them a way out of answering your work question, and a bonus is you dont look or feel like an idiot. If they do want to talk about their job they will say, " I work a lot" THAT'S the green light to ask "If you don't mind me asking, what is it that you do?" If they don't mention work, they will say something like " oh I spend a lot of time golfing" then you can talk about that or ask him questions or make a joke... then make the sale. : )
    Stop talking. Start spending! lol

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