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    Default Club won't provide House Fee Receipt?

    I informed my club that I'll be filing taxes on my tips that I earn while working there and asked if there was a way I could get a receipt for the house fees that I provide and they said that they don't provide receipts because most (bout 96%) of their girls don't file taxes, and I'm the first one in about a year or so who's asked.

    Would I absolutely need a receipt as proof when claiming a business expense, or is this something that the club needs to be doing anyway??

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    Default Re: Club won't provide House Fee Receipt?

    No. Most clubs don't provide receipts outside of the really big chain clubs like Rick's or Deja Vu. As long as you keep meticulous records of your house fees and tip outs, you'll be just fine with the IRS. The other thing you can do is just record your net take home amount as your income.


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    ^^^ completely agree with Paris !

    To expand on her comments a bit, since dancers often don't receive 'receipts' or 'pay stubs', the income and expense records kept by individual dancers is about all that the IRS 'initially' has to go on if a dancer is ever audited. Thus it is extremely important that dancers be meticulous and 'professional' when creating such income and expense records so that if the dancer is ever audited the IRS will 'believe' that the dancer's records are accurate and reasonable.

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    What is a good way to record income? I assume a regular notebook wouldn't look to pleasing to them.
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    Default Re: Club won't provide House Fee Receipt?

    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    What is a good way to record income? I assume a regular notebook wouldn't look to pleasing to them.
    That would be adequate so long as you make regular and contemporaneous records of your income.

    Better would be corresponding bank deposits.

    Still better, a business bank account or at least a separate personal bank account for your business.

    Even better, corresponding bank deposits and electronic records using one of the good computerized accounting/budget/tax systems like Quickbooks or MSMoney. (Full disclosure, I own Microsoft shares.)

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    ^^^ total agreement with Zofia that any serious professional dancer should make the effort to

    - establish a separate business bank account to only accept deposits of dancing earnings, and only make withdrawls to pay estimated income taxes plus only make weekly transfers to a personal bank account as a 'pseudo weekly paycheck'. This creates an authoritative 3rd party financial record of how much cash flow your dancing earnings are producing, thus more or less proving how much dancing income you really do ( and do not ) have. At the very least, deposit dancing earnings into this account on a weekly basis - although it's better to make a next day deposit for each night that you earn money dancing. You can then transfer / withdraw funds from this business account on a weekly basis ... but make sure that the original deposit is made and 'booked' first. With online banking this is super-easy to do ... just transfer funds from your business account to your personal account once a week, and then pay bills out of your personal account. The whole object here is to create 3rd party financial records that keep your business and your personal finances separate !

    - make nightly entries into your business ledger, be it paper based or better yet computerized i.e. Quickbooks, reflecting your dancing earnings for the night as well as any business expenses incurred that day ( bought a new outfit, etc.)

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    I still say pay then with a check, if that club wants your stage fee bad enough and depending on how offten you work at what you actually pay you are talking about hundreds of dollars a month and thousands of dollars a year. Who in their right mind is going to turn that down??

    THe entire trouble with the "self generated bank records" even if you go as far as having the seperate accts. is you have to get the IRS to believe that you are in fact depositing your ENTIRE nights earnings. Where this becomes problematic is when you "pretend not to make" a certain amount, namely tipouts, if you pretend not to make 50-100, however many dollars a night and are found out to be doing that and any IRS agent that knows anything about the strip club biz is going to know they exist so if you try and claim you don't pay any you won't be believed and once you are not believed then EVERYTHING is suspect, then any IRS agent worth his/her salt is going to rightly ask "if you are pretending not to make the tipout amount then why am I supposed to believe that you are not also pretending not to make another 20, 40 however many dollars a night that you are going to spend as cash, on every day items, gas groceries etc." ???

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    Default Re: Club won't provide House Fee Receipt?

    ^^ If your income and expense balances are reasonablly close to your records (including large purchases with your name on them) over several years, you have a good chance of overcoming any objections they may have during your audit. What may be questionable is large gifts made to you by "admirers", you know, the gift tax and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonehome View Post
    I still say pay then with a check, if that club wants your stage fee bad enough and depending on how offten you work at what you actually pay you are talking about hundreds of dollars a month and thousands of dollars a year. Who in their right mind is going to turn that down??

    THe entire trouble with the "self generated bank records" even if you go as far as having the seperate accts. is you have to get the IRS to believe that you are in fact depositing your ENTIRE nights earnings. Where this becomes problematic is when you "pretend not to make" a certain amount, namely tipouts, if you pretend not to make 50-100, however many dollars a night and are found out to be doing that and any IRS agent that knows anything about the strip club biz is going to know they exist so if you try and claim you don't pay any you won't be believed and once you are not believed then EVERYTHING is suspect, then any IRS agent worth his/her salt is going to rightly ask "if you are pretending not to make the tipout amount then why am I supposed to believe that you are not also pretending not to make another 20, 40 however many dollars a night that you are going to spend as cash, on every day items, gas groceries etc." ???
    Virtually no club is going to take a check. Its not possible and realistic. House are paid at the beginning (sometimes when you walk in the door) or at the end of the night. No club is going to wait/hope for the check to clear. It would just cause too many problems.

    Of course the IRS will never know if you are claiming everything, what is important is that you have records and that your lifestyle reflects whatever you are claiming. If you claim 20k but you have a 60k car, an expensive home, and so forth, you will likely be screwed in an audit. The "those were gifts" defense is not gonna fly. If more money than you claim to make is flowing through your bank accounts, then you are screwed. You need to claim a reasonable (better yet all income) income, as the IRS will know if the amount you are claiming is enough to cover your basic expenses. Of course they will not know whether you are shoving some of that money under your mattress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    What is a good way to record income? I assume a regular notebook wouldn't look to pleasing to them.
    I used a schedule style calendar. Then when I got home I would transfer the info into a spread sheet for my accountant. I kept my notebook in my dance bag and would write down my financial info for that shift right away, so I wouldn't forget. It is pretty easy to forget how much you made and tipped out to whom. That is why I would write down everything right away.

    That and if a dj or bouncer claimed I didn't tip him, I would go back to my records and see if that was the case or not. I also found my little notebook helpful when a disagreement with the club about VIP fees or other payouts came up (and this will come up if your customers pay with a credit card or funny money).


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    Quote Originally Posted by hot4ablackchick View Post
    Virtually no club is going to take a check. Its not possible and realistic. House are paid at the beginning (sometimes when you walk in the door) or at the end of the night. No club is going to wait/hope for the check to clear. It would just cause too many problems.
    What you do is have the club sign the check back over to you and give them cash in exchange. Then you have a signed record of payment, and the club doesn't have to wait for the check to clear. Many clubs pay their feature dancers this way, and I've worked for a few clubs that pay their house girls this way as well.


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    ^^^ however, be prepared to encounter a whole bunch of opposition from certain clubs in regard to creating any form of paper trail regarding money 'transfers' between the club and dancers in any form / in either direction. Not only do an arguably significant number of clubs present a 'work of fiction' where their own business accounting is concerned, but there is also an issue of one dancer establishing a paper trail that can be extrapolated to many other dancers at the same club.

    I don't mean to rock any boats, but ... despite the legal / tax laws, in the 'real world' at an arguably significant number of clubs a dancer pressing the issue of receipts / checks / paper trail may be asking for 'trouble'.

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