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    Default Supreme Court Decision upholding 'free speech'

    at the risk of political fallout from this post, for a fact the US Supreme Court did issue a ruling this week which upheld 'free speech' rights versus 'political correctness'



    This decision specifically involves the ability of US individuals and corporations to make campaign contributions and public statements without restraint in terms of dollar amounts or timing. However, it does have potential importance for dancers. The reason is that the present Supreme Court justices threw out two previous rulings that 'restrained' US individuals and corporations, thus 'reversing' previous Supreme Court precedent on the issue.

    In other words, this would be an ideal time for someone to bring a new Supreme Court case addressing issues such as dancer - customer distance laws, adult business zoning laws, pastie laws etc. !!! If the present court was willing to 'reverse' itself on one 'free speech' issue, it may be equally willing to 'reverse' itself on another 'free speech' issue as well.

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    I don't live in the states, but I'd be a fool to think your legal actions don't affect ours. This will be really interesting if it plays out to be relevant to dancers. Thanks for the link!

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    I've been since this decision came down from the court. It is like that movie Idiocracy is really happening.

    Hopefully this will push our lawmakers into real campaign finance reform and end this crazy-ass way we elect our representatives. If this doesn't get the congress off it's butts and changing the way campaigns are run, we may as well start renaming the states after the major corporations that are representing the regions. I think I want to move to Google or possibly MicroSoft. I don't think I want to live in GE or Exxon-Mobile, though. Seems dangerous.


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    So much for respect for precedent and non-activist judges. All hail the immortal entity of the US Corporation, because they are about to do to our elections what they've been doing to legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I've been since this decision came down from the court. It is like that movie Idiocracy is really happening.

    Hopefully this will push our lawmakers into real campaign finance reform and end this crazy-ass way we elect our representatives. If this doesn't get the congress off it's butts and changing the way campaigns are run, we may as well start renaming the states after the major corporations that are representing the regions. I think I want to move to Google or possibly MicroSoft. I don't think I want to live in GE or Exxon-Mobile, though. Seems dangerous.
    If there was a chance at reform it had to be before this happened. Zero chance now that our government can be legally bought.

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    ^^^ the US gov't could be legally bought prior to this Supreme Court ruling ... only by unions and mega-rich 527 donors a la George Soros / moveon.org rather than by corporations ! That should be painfully obvious given the GM / Chrysler bailouts, the foreign tire tariffs, the 'cadillac health insurance' tax exemption for union members until 2018, the 400+ billion dollars worth of supposed stimulus spending that went directly to state gov'ts to create / maintain unionized gov't jobs etc.

    But that aspect is really beside the point I was trying to make - which was that this supreme court saw fit to reverse two established precedents in order to find in favor of free speech ! Now all that is needed is some courageous clubowner who is involved in a state / city level lawsuit over adult business zoning or pasty / panty restrictions or minimum distance laws to 'step up' and push that case before the supreme court ! This would appear to be the best chance in at least a decade to reverse the Sandra Day O'Connor decision ( that nude dancing is not entitled to inner ambit 1st amendment protection ), the Erie v PAPS decision ( that states / cities have essentially free rein to regulate strip club businesses in any way they choose) etc.

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    They didn't find in favor of "free speech" they found in favor of "large corporations with lots of money", you are fooling yourself if you think this benefits strippers or anyone without the millions to buy a few pocket senators.

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    I thought free speech was the bastion of human beings only. I didn't know that a business entity such as a corporation that may be foreign owned would have the same rights as a natural American citizen.

    The ruling grants "personhood" to corporations on par with individual Americans. This ruling won't last.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    This ruling won't last.
    I wish i was this optimistic.

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    Default Re: Supreme Court Decision upholding 'free speech'

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    at the risk of political fallout from this post, for a fact the US Supreme Court did issue a ruling this week which upheld 'free speech' rights versus 'political correctness'

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us.../22scotus.html

    This decision specifically involves the ability of US individuals and corporations to make campaign contributions and public statements without restraint in terms of dollar amounts or timing. However, it does have potential importance for dancers. The reason is that the present Supreme Court justices threw out two previous rulings that 'restrained' US individuals and corporations, thus 'reversing' previous Supreme Court precedent on the issue.

    In other words, this would be an ideal time for someone to bring a new Supreme Court case addressing issues such as dancer - customer distance laws, adult business zoning laws, pastie laws etc. !!! If the present court was willing to 'reverse' itself on one 'free speech' issue, it may be equally willing to 'reverse' itself on another 'free speech' issue as well.
    IMO, considering the conservative right ruled in favor of this, im going to say it probably wont extend to us slutty devil worshipping dancers.

    i agree with paris, this gives coorporations the right to what is IMO, really intended for individuals.

    laws governing dancers are governing individuals. BUT, if the right is responsible for protecting OUR freedom of expression, i think they will find a way to duck out on it. the right typically seems to stand up for the rights of coorporations, but they dont really want to stand up for the rights of people who are a "threat" to "family values."
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    I don't live in the states, but I'd be a fool to think your legal actions don't affect ours. This will be really interesting if it plays out to be relevant to dancers. Thanks for the link!
    They don't. Our Constitution and Common Law are very different (as are yours if you're from NZ or the UK). US precedents aren't even persuasive in most common law jurisdictions, and most other common law countries lack a constitutional bill of rights. The existence of a right to free speech is fundamental to the decision Melonie cited, and such a right does not exist in much of the Commonwealth. Australia's High Court has held that there is an implied right to freedom of political speech under the Australian Constitution, but this is far narrower than America's First Amendment and, being a textual implication only, could be subject to being overruled by a later High Court decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I thought free speech was the bastion of human beings only. I didn't know that a business entity such as a corporation that may be foreign owned would have the same rights as a natural American citizen.

    The ruling grants "personhood" to corporations on par with individual Americans. This ruling won't last.
    Corporations actually are legal persons. True story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    Corporations actually are legal persons. True story.
    Correct! For legal purposes a Corporation is a person.

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    Certain Supreme Court rulings have granted corporations legal standings equivalent to Constitutional Rights, starting with Santa Clara v.Southern Pacific in 1866 (Equal Protection application-XIV Amendment) with further rulings bestowing rights in effect of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Amendments.

    Also granted through legislation are "quasi-rights" not available to individuals, such as limited liabilityand perpetual existance, and a new set of global rights granted in recent free trade agreements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Ernie View Post
    Certain Supreme Court rulings have granted corporations legal standings equivalent to Constitutional Rights, starting with Santa Clara v.Southern Pacific in 1866 (Equal Protection application-XIV Amendment) with further rulings bestowing rights in effect of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Amendments.

    Also granted through legislation are "quasi-rights" not available to individuals, such as limited liabilityand perpetual existance, and a new set of global rights granted in recent free trade agreements.
    Not to mention tax advantages.

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