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Last edited by hello-kitty; 09-16-2010 at 01:52 AM.
Urg...this is really starting to get out of hand.
I'm going to start making t-shirts....
"Sorry your grandma got mugged, the cops were busy arresting a stripper."



I have a damn 6th sense for Vice. In the years I've been dancing, I've never been wrong. Not once.
I don't know how cops/Vice work in your city, but here in Vegas, there tend to be some tell-tale signs that I've noticed.
-they ask about Sheriff's Cards/Business Licenses. When a "customer" starts asking questions like, "So do you have to have a special license to be a dancer? Do you have to carry it with you? Where do you put it - does the bar hold it, or do you keep it in your locker? What happens if you forget it?" Red flag. Regular customers very, very rarely give a flying FUCK about it.
-Cops tend to be very specific when asking about things in back. You legally can't get in trouble for saying "We will have fun in VIP." You aren't promising sexual favors - some officers will try, but when you go to court it's easily thrown out. If you're sitting with someone who says, "So ... do you give blowjobs in back?", or "If we go in back, what can I get for an extra $100?"MAKE SURE YOU SAY NO. If they ask about blowjobs/handjobs/whatever, SAY NO. If the word NO doesn't come out of your mouth - you can be arrested. If they ask what they can get for more money, smile sweetly and tell them they will get an extra good DANCE.
-Watch the other girls carefully. Some will pick up on cops or be warned before others. If a girl who's style of dancing you're familiar with is acting a little more modest (one of my BIG tells that there's a cop, or that I'm worried there's one is that I will NOT touch myself on stage. I always play with my boobs and stuff - I'm totally hands off because you can be arrested for this too.) I'm also a bitch to cops - I play the Cops theme song (Bad Boys, Whatcha gon', whatcha gonna doooooooooo). The cops in the room always react uncomfortably for a split second, or will immediately stand and complain to the DJ or manager. If they keep their cool, I'll giggle and point them out. I almost got arrested for ratting a cop out this way, but he had no legal ground to stand on.
-Also, if you have dances on your floor, watch carefully. If you notice a girl who grinds suddenly giving an airdance, or you see a couple girls heading back to the manager's office with a "customer", time to get your guard up.
-Remember, Vice officers are women too. They tend to play "lesbian". They'll try to get you to talk dirty to them - now, talking dirly is fine to an extent. Saying something like "I love being so close to you, it's making me all hot and bothered!" is fine. They'll try to get you to say things like, "I want you to eat my pussy." or something. If you can tell a customer is directing your conversation and trying to drag dirty words out of you, don't freaking do it.
-Management isn't always cooperative. They oftentimes won't warn their girls - try your housemom. If you can obviously see where your cameras are, watch for someone different keeping an eye on them. At one of my clubs, the cameras are behind the bar - if I see a manager watching them more closely, or spot someone I don't recognize back there - cops!
-The words "fun", "play", whatever ARE LEGALLY FINE. You didn't promise sexual favors. You WILL win this one, never fear. A lot of times Vice is being a dick to meet quota. Half the time they don't even show in court, if it even gets that far. Be cautions when saying things like, "Oh, it's a triple-X show back in VIP." because the CONNOTATION of the word "triple-X" is associated with pornography, etc.
-Be well-informed as to the laws in your state. Usually a dancer who's been in the business for a while can give you pointers, or your housemom. You can also usually find them online. When you know cops are in the club, obey ALL THE LAWS. Or, pay to stay offstage and hang in the dressing room.
-Another tell-tale thing is when management calls a "dancer's meeting" in the middle of a busy shift. At one large club here in town, at 11pm on a SATURDAY, we all randomly got called into the dressing room. Sure enough, a cop was back there conducting sheriff's cards checks. Ask if any meetings have been called, etc. when you get there. Vice usually comes in on night shift.
Hopefully that helps a little!
"The mood is important. You can't get a lady with force.
...sweet things alone are not enough. Seduce me with more fire."
I don't have any advice for you. I will say, it does happen. Happened to a VERY good friend of mine and she spent years fighting it.



LOL! I can't tell if you're serious or not, but that's awesome.
In case you ARE serious? Something like: "Seriously, dude? I heard your mom gives blowjobs in back. I'm not a whore like her - not happening."
You insulted him, and gave him a clear no with the "not happening" line. Perfectly combined!
"The mood is important. You can't get a lady with force.
...sweet things alone are not enough. Seduce me with more fire."



In my area, apparently going undercover is considered entrapment. Undercover can certainly call in guys after extras are happening, but unless the UNIFORMED cops come in and catch her doing it or saying it, nothing can happen.
The DJs in my club have a red light that they flash whenever the boys in blue drive up into the parking lot, along with a code phrase "DJ has a splinter in his penis" or something like that. When the red light goes on, no lapdances can be given, stage tips have to be thrown on stage, and tip walks can only be hand-to-hand.
How'd you find out this nifty little piece of info?
I don't think there is any way to spot an undercover. What I do think is it's worth researching the laws in your state so they can't get you on the little shit. I wish they made this easier to do! I worry about the undercover thing a lot too. I'm kinda considering paying to talk to a lawyer about it because I don't trust what my club tells me. I wish I could dance in my hometown because I know the whole PD. Unfortunately I know just about everyone else there too and I like keeping my secret stripper identity undercover.




One tell tale sign that I have noticed is that cops get excited about breaking the law!
"Aww come on who's the dirtiest girl in this club?"
If you offer a $20 dance and they ask "What do I get for $50-$100?"
Cop.
They are not regulars they don't know the pricing other than sinage that indicates a price.
So if someone insists you do something your not supposed to do even after you say no every time - they are either a cop, a douche or both.
Vice is very eager to see how far you're willing to go for money then try to use it against you.
The best advice I've gotten from several lawyers is if you think you're dancing for a cop or someone asks you for anything out of the ordinary end the dance and walk away.





They always want you to push your boundries. "Come on, who is gonna know?" or "God, why are you so by the book?" or whatever they can say to try and make you do something they (and you) both know you shouldn't be doing. They always want to try to get more out of you. They are going to work their asses off to make you give in. ANYTHING that makes you uncomfortable should make you walk. You don't have to put up with anything, and you certainly don't have to push your boundries to make money. Lots of clean dancers do just fine. Stick to your guns and you've nothing to worry about.
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That is so funny! I would love to work in a club that did that. My club is too big to know what's going on until it's already too late.
Another sign in clubs with bottle service- if you notice a big group of guys drinking beer instead of getting a bottle be careful. If its a big group, it's cheaper to get a bottle. Cops are allowed to drink no more than 2 beers or a non alcoholic beverage.
They are also not allowed to touch because that would be sexual assualt.
When I got in trouble the cop had a beer; but you could tell he was sober. There was also a group of 3 guys at the table next to us and none of them were getting any dances. When I danced for him his chair was directly facing that group of 3 guys not getting dances. The cop that I danced for did not try to touch at all. He kept his hands up and to the side - 1 on the table and 1 on the armrest of the chair. His hands were in plain sight of the 3 cops sitting at the other table watching the dance.
Confidence
Self Esteem
Arrogance is to deny reality
Coherency management
Maslow - Human Needs
The most important thing you can do is know your rights. I carry a copy of the bill of rights with me at all times.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
Every place is different. These are the bill of rights violations I dealt with from the cops in Vegas
amendment number 1 - guaruntees freedom of expression. Lap dances do not cause any bodily harm or public safety hazards.
amendment number 4 guarantees the right of the people to be secure in their persons, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures. Vice can take away your car and your sherrifs card. A sherrifs card is required for almost any type of work in Las Vegas. Threatening to seize your car and take away your sherrifs card, is a violation of this amendment
amendment number 8 states that no excessive fines shall be imposed nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted. The threat of imprisonment, seizure of your car and sherrifs card, excessive fines, and a criminal record-- for doing a lap dance; is cruel and unusual punishment.
Remember you have the right to remain silent. So use it and don't say anything disrectful. It could make the difference between going to jail or going home.
When I got in trouble the housemom came onto the floor and told me that I was needed in the back. They took me to the managers office and there were already a couple of girls back there along with the undercovers sitting at the table. They told me to sit on the couch and the cop got out a camera to take my picture. I asked if they were going to take me to jail. I let him that I have never been in jail in my life. They wound up giving me and the other 7 girls warnings. Don't act tough. Let them know that you are scared and that you are not a prostitue or a criminal. Save any arguments for court.
Last edited by loren; 02-21-2010 at 01:15 AM.
Confidence
Self Esteem
Arrogance is to deny reality
Coherency management
Maslow - Human Needs
Evil flourishes when good people stand by and do nothing.
Dancers need to start making complaits to the American Civil Liberties Union.
You can make an anonymous complaint about any bill of rights violations.
http://www.aclu.org/
Towards the bottom right side of the screen there is a spot that says FIND YOUR LOCAL ACLU AFFILIATE. Click on the drop down list where you can select your state. That will take you to a site that has your states web page link. There should be an online intake questionaire or a pdf file in the get help section of your states web page.
It seems to me that nationwide the most common Bill of Rights Abuses are:
Amendment ! - freedom of expression.
What's wrong with lap dances? A lap dance is not an advertisement for prostitution it's a job. We are supposed to act sexy and do lap dances without our clothes on. It's our job. We are strippers not Sunday school teachers.
Amendment 8 - Protection from cruel and unusual punishment and excessive fines.
Why should anyone have their life destroyed with a criminal record for doing a lap dance?
Why should we be expected to pay a fine of $1,200.00 for doing our job? Guys don't go to strip clubs to listen to us talk about the teachings of Jesus. They go to strip clubs to get lap dances. It is our job to act sexy and do lap dances with out our clothes.
If anyone wants to complain to the ACLU please feel free to use any part of my wording or make a direct quote.
If anyone else has read the Bill of Rights http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
and has any other ideas on what we can do to stand up for ourselves please share your thoughts.
Last edited by loren; 02-21-2010 at 01:13 AM.
Confidence
Self Esteem
Arrogance is to deny reality
Coherency management
Maslow - Human Needs





Amendment 1 - forget about any constitutional help in this regard. The US supreme court Erie vs PAPS decision and subsequent federal court decisions have established a precedent that strip clubs DO exert a public safety and public health risk to the community ( via secondary effects). Thus local gov't have been empowered to limit / regulate strip club activities ( including lap dances / degree of nudity / minimum distance between dancer and customer etc ) in the interest of protecting public safety and public health. Justice Sandra Day OConnor specifically added in the opinion that the 'erotic message' of a dance ( which arguably is entitled to the outer ambit of first amendment protection ) is independent of any degree of dancer nudity ( or lack thereof ) - meaning that local gov'ts can legally require 'full coverage' both onstage and in the private dance room.
Amendment 8 - forget about any help from the courts on this matter as well. If an action is illegal, even if it is someone's 'job', the courts owe extremely little constitutional support. In this case, if a dancer commits a misdemeanor sex crime for excessive contact with a 'customer' ... legally the same severity misdemeanor sex crime as giving a 'customer' a HJ, BJ or FS ... then receiving the same punishment / fine is not cruel or unusual.
The ACLU has not been directly involved in any major case related to exotic dancing / strip clubs since the ERIE vs Paps decision was announced. The ostensible reason for this is that, beyond the ERIE vs Paps decision, it would be necessary to have a new case accepted at the supreme court level ... PLUS a reversal of the ERIE vs Paps 'secondary effects' doctrine by a future supreme court decision ... in order for the ACLU to again have the 'tools' to successfully pursue future cases based on costitutional freedom of expression rights of exotic dancers.If anyone wants to complain to the ACLU please feel free to use any part of my wording or make a direct quote.
No clubowner or donor group since Paps has offered to pony up the big bucks necessary to fund a multi-year, multi jurisdictional court battle that could eventually result in the supreme court (re) hearing 'secondary effects'. And in the current economic environment none is likely to !
And aside from this, the ACLU is to some degree responsive to its own donors ... who are typically very rich 'liberals' - and who typically regard strip club operations as exploitation / victimization of dancers / women. As such, they really have no stake in wanting to see their donation money directed towards the CONTINUED exploitation / victimization of dancers / women !
If you're looking for a serious answer, here goes. A legal battle to get a future case in front of the US supreme court is likely to cost a minimum of $2 million. There are also about 10 major clubowner groups in Vegas clubs, as well as about 5,000 exotic dancers. Start out by trying to collect 1/2 the required legal fees, or $ 1 million / 5,000 = $200 from each and every Vegas dancer. Then once you have the $1 million 'war chest', approach the Vegas clubowners to pony up the other $1 million between them. When that all comes together, retain the very best adult entertainment attorneys in the country, pick the most promising local Vegas club bust case that comes along, and begin the appeals progression through the local courts, the state courts and the federal courts. In all probability, the 5-7 years required for this appeals progression will eventually result in a favorable supreme court decision that will in turn help out FUTURE dancers. However, in all probability, very few of the original 5,000 donating dancers will still be working the VIP room 5-7 years down the road.what we can do to stand up for ourselves please share your thoughts
Circling back on topic, the point of real importance to many newbie dancers is that, in cities with strict anti-strip club ordinances, it is often the case these days that simply doing what every other dancer in the club is doing on a nightly basis in regard to customer contact levels technically constitutes a misdemeanor sex crime. The legal severity of this crime, both in local court and on a permanent record, is no different than other misdemeanor sex crimes i.e. prostitution and/or lewd conduct. And while the probability of being busted is probably very small, it is not zero. Additionally, if and when a bust occurs, the local cops and local courts may not take the trouble to sort out which dancers were actually providing excessive customer contact levels versus which dancers were not. If a 'word of a cop' versus the 'word of a stripper' situation develops in court in front of a jury of housewives, retirees and civil servants, you don't need 3 guessses to tell which 'story' the jury is going to believe ! Thus one of the most important things that a newbie dancer needs to learn is the 'political risk climate' of her city's DA and cops in regard to her city's strip clubs.
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Last edited by Melonie; 02-21-2010 at 06:49 AM.
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