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    Bloomberg didn't have any additional details beyond the basic news report ...



    (snip)" Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Lap-dancing clubs in Britain will have to be licensed as “sex establishments” if they want to stay open after April 2011, the U.K. government said today.

    The clubs, such as those run by Spearmint Rhino Ventures U.K. Ltd., will have to apply to local authorities to trade under the same restrictions as sex shops and sex cinemas, the Home Office said in an e-mailed statement. The current law puts lap-dancing clubs in the same category as pubs and cafes.

    “Many people have told us they don’t want a lap dancing club in their neighborhood,” said Home Office Minister Alan Campbell. “These reforms will give local authorities the powers they need to respond to the concerns of local people.”

    The move is aimed at closing a loophole in the 2003 Licensing Act that has seen the number of lap-dancing clubs double to 300 across the U.K. Opponents argued that there are too many clubs and that they are inappropriately located, sometimes near schools.

    The new rules are the result of a consultation started by the Home Office in September and councils will be able to adopt them from April 6 this year, the statement said. Existing clubs will have 12 months to obtain the new licenses.

    Currently, residents can only object to the opening of a lap-dancing club in their area on the grounds that it would infringe one of the four licensing objectives set out in the 2003 law. These are the prevention of crime and disorder; public safety; prevention of public nuisance; and the protection of children from harm.

    Under the new regime, local people will be able to oppose an application for a club on the basis that it would be inappropriate to the character of the local area. Councils will also be able to set more conditions on licenses and limits on the number of clubs in a particular area. "(snip)


    The business analysts at Bloomberg are apparently assuming that a significant number of existing UK clubs will be forced out of business as 'local people' oppose some of the new license applications.

    Hopefully some additional details will be forthcoming as to UK strip clubs and therefore UK 'strippers' being reclassified as 'sex businesses' / 'sex workers'.

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    Default Re: UK enacts new country-wide strip club licensing law

    Just to note, UK sources are listing this as applying only to England and Wales, and not the two other countries in the UK, Scotland and Northern Ireland - not that it's relevant to NI.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8511883.stm
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    There was talk of this for a while but I know a lot of protests were staged at downing street. I just assumed rather naively that it would all go away. I wonder what this will mean for business.

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    good, there are too many clubs now, hopefuly this will cut down the numbers.

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    I would imagine the big chain clubs will stay because they have enough money behind them but the smaller independent clubs will suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by africanqueen View Post
    good, there are too many clubs now, hopefuly this will cut down the numbers.
    Less clubs means more crowding in established clubs
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    yes and then the girls who are just taking up space and earning crap money will either decide to stop dancing because its not worth it or the managers will stop booking them, problem solved!

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    Less clubs means more crowding in established clubs

    and then the girls who are just taking up space and earning crap money will either decide to stop dancing because its not worth it or the managers will stop booking them

    If precedent from other countries where new anti-strip club laws were enacted is any example, the upscale clubs will survive ... but will become very selective as to the 'quality' of dancers they hire as well as limiting the number of dancers allowed to work per shift ( to avoid a situation of desparate dancers pressuring upscale club customers ). Also, the 'edge of town' clubs that survive will very likely see a significant increase in 'extras' offered in order to continue to attract a sufficient number of customers to keep the club and its dancers solvent. And the group that will probably be hurt the worst are middle of the road clubs who are unable to obtain new licenses and the middle of the road dancers now working in these clubs ... dancers who cannot 'measure up' to be hired at the remaining upscale clubs but are unwilling to provide the 'extras' necessary to earn money at an 'edge of town' club. Many of these middle of the road dancers are likely going to experience slow economic death as clubs close out from under them.

    I would also add that as middle of the road 'domestic' dancers wind up losing their 'jobs', there will probably be a huge amount of pressure brought to bear towards foreign dancers !

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    Default Re: UK enacts new country-wide strip club licensing law

    Of course, there's always the possibility that everything will be just fine. Things always change. People have a way of adapting.

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    I don't carewho the pressure goes on, at the end of the day aslong as only the best girls are left it doesn't matter. If you know the UK you would know there aren't many clubs that would be classed as "dive bars" in the USA, so it would just hopefully mea a cut in the number of clubs, if that results in to many girls thats fine by me, there are already too man in my club, but aslong as im at the top then it doesn't matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by africanqueen View Post
    I don't carewho the pressure goes on, at the end of the day aslong as only the best girls are left it doesn't matter. If you know the UK you would know there aren't many clubs that would be classed as "dive bars" in the USA, so it would just hopefully mea a cut in the number of clubs, if that results in to many girls thats fine by me, there are already too man in my club, but aslong as im at the top then it doesn't matter!
    What people are saying, is that that might not be the case. You might find it extremely difficult to hold on to your job, and some of "the best" girls might equally lose their jobs, or leave.

    In a toss up between you, a smart woman fluent in English, and an equally hot immigrant that'll accept a much bigger chunk of their money being taken away as fees, a manager under pressure is going to find that a really hard decision.
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    i don't see what all the points about immigrants have to do with thsi?!! or why people seem to think immigrants are the dirtiest dancers, the ones who i find disgusting are the old ones who will do anthing for £20! or is it only allowed to generalise and sterotype foreign girls!
    I am top earner in my club, i don't think i will loose my job and even so i only plan to dance for one more year, the amount of clubs needs to be cut anyway, the sudden overload is killing the industry! we dont need clubs on every street corner, the british population as a general dont want it!

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    essentially, your 'thisislondon' link says it all ...

    (snip)"They warned that the laws would put thousands out of work and could push women into riskier establishments.

    Peter Stringfellow also criticised the proposals, accusing Harriet Harman of “feminist hysteria” by backing the reforms which could lead to venues being forced to close.

    The Home Office consultation document published on Monday proposes that all venues will have to apply for a new sex establishment licence, which must be renewed annually.

    The law was suggested by former home secretary Jacqui Smith, and supported by Ms Harman, the equalities minister, after lobbying by women's rights groups such as Object and the Fawcett Society following a boom in lapdancing bars.

    But lapdancers believe it is safer to work in “legitimate” clubs which could be forced to close.

    Alexandra Howard, 21, who works at Majingos lapdancing club in Canary Wharf and is studying accountancy, said: “I really like my job. I can understand the feminist argument, but it is better if there is a safe, controlled environment. If clubs are forced to close, it's going to make life very difficult for dancers.

    “I don't get financial support from my family. It is a good living because I can work three nights a week, which gives me time to study. I don't plan to be a dancer long-term, but my experience has been very positive.”

    Stringfellow criticised Ms Harman for taking an “anti-male stand”. The nightclub impresario, who owns Angels in Soho and Stringfellows in Covent Garden, believes the reforms will hit established brands as well as newer clubs.

    He said: “It's totally unnecessary, bringing ridiculous bureaucracy and fed by feminist hysteria.

    "The Government opened a loophole with the 2003 Licensing Act which allowed unscrupulous
    operators to move in. But we shouldn't all be tarnished.

    "Clubs such as mine which have always had the correct permission should not have to
    re-apply for our licences.”

    Simon Warr, head of the Lap Dancing Association and former owner of the Spearmint Rhino chain, is campaigning for automatic renewal for lap dancing clubs that had a licence before 2003.

    He estimates there are 50,000 people employed in the industry as dancers, bar staff and security guards.

    “We were assured by the Home Office there would be rights for venues that had licences before the Act, but they've gone back on that,” he said."(snip)


    In other words, EVERY club in the UK will be forced to obtain and annually renew an 'adult business license' which now becomes subject to input / approval from surrounding residents.

    In other words, some number of existing clubs are going to fail to obtain this 'adult business license', with the clubs being closed and the former dancers thrown 'on the market' to compete with other dancers still working in other clubs that ARE able to obtain the license.

    In other words, some number of dancers are simply going to find themselves without work, either via their club closing and not 'measuring up' to be hired in other clubs, or by being 'encouraged' to leave their present clubs to make room for the hiring of younger, hotter dancers who will suddenly be displaced and available.

    In other words, the owners of clubs that ARE able to obtain the license will attempt to recoup their new additional legal costs via 'extracting' a larger share of their dancers' earnings.

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    I asked my manager how this was going to affect our club, he tells me it shouldn't, and what he heard was that it was the local authorities way of getting rid of clubs which wern't conforming to the rules, ie clubs known to have girls performing extra's/ones who have a lot of trouble and fighting etc, i hope he's right, Im happy and settled in my club (its the only one in the town, and i dont want to have to go into the bigger clubs in the city). The owners have known about it for a while he told me and it just means applying for a new license when the current one runs out. x
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    I heard about this last year, blackpool got hit hard for it, very strict on strip clubs in blackpool as there trying to make it a family place, eden1 had to close because they couldnt afford the new lisence. Theres only currently 3-4 strip clubs left in blackpool, so the councel are doing all they can to get rid of them. God knows how claudias keeps being aloud to re-open so often! i dunno if it will be opening this season though.

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    who would want to work in blackpool?! even so it only realy needs 1 club!

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    i worked in blackpool for 2 seasons, loads of girls do really well. may bank holiday is reeeeeally busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    essentially, your 'thisislondon' link says it all ...

    (snip)"They warned that the laws would put thousands out of work and could push women into riskier establishments.

    Alexandra Howard, 21, who works at Majingos lapdancing club in Canary Wharf and is studying accountancy, said: “I really like my job. I can understand the feminist argument, but it is better if there is a safe, controlled environment. If clubs are forced to close, it's going to make life very difficult for dancers.

    Stringfellow criticised Ms Harman for taking an “anti-male stand”. The nightclub impresario, who owns Angels in Soho and Stringfellows in Covent Garden, believes the reforms will hit established brands as well as newer clubs."


    In other words, EVERY club in the UK will be forced to obtain and annually renew an 'adult business license' which now becomes subject to input / approval from surrounding residents.


    In other words, some number of dancers are simply going to find themselves without work, either via their club closing and not 'measuring up' to be hired in other clubs, or by being 'encouraged' to leave their present clubs to make room for the hiring of younger, hotter dancers who will suddenly be displaced and available.

    In other words, the owners of clubs that ARE able to obtain the license will attempt to recoup their new additional legal costs via 'extracting' a larger share of their dancers' earnings.
    Thanks, Melonie, though I suspect some people's eyes glazed over at the thought of having to read so much at once.

    No one is saying foreign girls are dirty.
    But they are ignorant. Bring on the flames.

    Let's clarify what I mean here - if your mother tongue is English? I'm not talking about you. If you're moving to the UK for a change of scenery? Not talking about you. Holiday work? Not you. Things are so shitty that the UK is worth leaving your home, family, work, culture, language and friends behind? You. Ignorant about what to expect when coming to the UK, how much money you should be making, and for what amount of work.

    Girls from around the world moving to the UK for a better life come from backgrounds in which women's rights are not so prominent - because be honest, the UK is not perfect when it comes to the application of those either. Let's face it - if someone moves to a country with another language and culture for a better life, their current life must really suck. Hugely. Moving country is an enormously big deal.

    Then, when they get here, these lovely men tell them how pretty they are and how they can make great money as a dancer. But, they say, 80% housefees are normal here in the UK, and you better earn a lot of money, or I'll have you sent home. Lo and behold, she puts up with being treated like crap and charged out the arse because it's better than home, she doesn't know any better, and compared to the wages she'd make doing anything there, she's banking. Seen it happen way too many times. People escaping a terrible life will put up with a fairly shitty one.

    Unfortunately, managers will put up with as little as possible - and if they suddenly have 10 established dancers that know the game and want fair treatment, vs. 50 19yo girls that don't speak English and think £50 a week is great money, the established dancers are going to find things very difficult.
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    ohhh

    did i say ou were talking about me? or give an incling i thought that in any way! you've obviously seen my member name and presumed i must be some overly looking foreign girl without a grasp of spoken english! im white south african if you must know to stop your presuming, i have lived here since the age of 4 and i have a perfec english accent!

    just don't see why these is so much emphasis on foriegn girls, i'm sure it will be the old, unattractive and fat ones to go first, they seem to be the ones so desperate they will do anything for money because all the customers want a VIP with the more attractive ladys they have to make up for it in some way otherwise they won't make anything!

    What about the foreign girls who have lived here since they were 7? will they have unrealistic expectations on living and working here?
    Will they have left their work, home, family behind? well according to you - yes, but in reality - No!

    how patronising too, foreign girls think £50 is a fortune, you portray them as being very stupid, maybe you think if you offer them a nice shiny £1 coin they will be impressed too eh?!! if what you say is true then what happens when they see another girl with £400 for the night will they still think their £50 is a good deal!

    Seriously need to rethink your arguement! not all foreign girls conform to your idea of desperate women who have fled from a terrible country leaving all thier families and friends behind in the hope of sucking cocks for £50 and thinking its a fortune! i certainly don't! that presumption is ignorance if ever i heard it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by africanqueen View Post
    ohhh

    did i say ou were talking about me? or give an incling i thought that in any way! you've obviously seen my member name and presumed i must be some overly looking foreign girl without a grasp of spoken english! im white south african if you must know to stop your presuming, i have lived here since the age of 4 and i have a perfec english accent!

    just don't see why these is so much emphasis on foriegn girls, i'm sure it will be the old, unattractive and fat ones to go first, they seem to be the ones so desperate they will do anything for money because all the customers want a VIP with the more attractive ladys they have to make up for it in some way otherwise they won't make anything!

    What about the foreign girls who have lived here since they were 7? will they have unrealistic expectations on living and working here?
    Will they have left their work, home, family behind? well according to you - yes, but in reality - No!

    how patronising too, foreign girls think £50 is a fortune, you portray them as being very stupid, maybe you think if you offer them a nice shiny £1 coin they will be impressed too eh?!! if what you say is true then what happens when they see another girl with £400 for the night will they still think their £50 is a good deal!

    Seriously need to rethink your arguement! not all foreign girls conform to your idea of desperate women who have fled from a terrible country leaving all thier families and friends behind in the hope of sucking cocks for £50 and thinking its a fortune! i certainly don't! that presumption is ignorance if ever i heard it!
    Wow. I guess I was right about certain people's eyes glazing over when presented with more than a few lines of text.

    You complain that people are calling foreign girls dirty. I explain that no one is doing that. I was replying to your misconception, now I reply to another.

    You clearly type passable English, so why on Earth would anyone assume someone with an English language username doesn't speak English?

    Reading one out of every five words of my post could, yes, give you the impression that I think that way about foreigners in general. Reading it through closely would have told you I'm talking about a small niche that threaten your job.

    Less work, and more workers, equals harder work, and managers cherry picking whoever they please. This is true for every line of work you can think of right now because of the recession. I mean, sorry for worrying about your job security, I'll try not to in the future.

    Back on topic, this also means bad news for girls with no driving license/transport issues, as residential areas, or areas with schools, churches, etc, are going to be able to stop clubs being licensed around them - effectively driving clubs deep downtown/into city centres, or out of the reach of walking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Thanks, Melonie, though I suspect some people's eyes glazed over at the thought of having to read so much at once.

    No one is saying foreign girls are dirty. But they are ignorant. Bring on the flames.

    Let's clarify what I mean here - if your mother tongue is English? I'm not talking about you. If you're moving to the UK for a change of scenery? Not talking about you. Holiday work? Not you. Things are so shitty that the UK is worth leaving your home, family, work, culture, language and friends behind? You. Ignorant about what to expect when coming to the UK, how much money you should be making, and for what amount of work.

    Girls from around the world moving to the UK for a better life come from backgrounds in which women's rights are not so prominent - because be honest, the UK is not perfect when it comes to the application of those either. Let's face it - if someone moves to a country with another language and culture for a better life, their current life must really suck. Hugely. Moving country is an enormously big deal.

    Then, when they get here, these lovely men tell them how pretty they are and how they can make great money as a dancer. But, they say, 80% housefees are normal here in the UK, and you better earn a lot of money, or I'll have you sent home. Lo and behold, she puts up with being treated like crap and charged out the arse because it's better than home, she doesn't know any better, and compared to the wages she'd make doing anything there, she's banking. Seen it happen way too many times. People escaping a terrible life will put up with a fairly shitty one.

    Unfortunately, managers will put up with as little as possible - and if they suddenly have 10 established dancers that know the game and want fair treatment, vs. 50 19yo girls that don't speak English and think £50 a week is great money, the established dancers are going to find things very difficult.
    lol, think you would be very hard pushed to find £50 foreign girls who think £50 i great money lol

    i do hope they cut down clubs before they ruin our country, we will be overun, so what it upsets a couple of trippers who arent at the top of their game better than upsetting most of the population.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Britain.html

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    Just a passing thought on this - have you thought of the implications of the Sex Encounter Establishment license? If i hadn't already retired then i would probably be thinking about doing so because of this - (oh, and i may be older, but i'm still modelling and doing film and TV work so there's no way i'd be 'doing anything for £20' - you don't like the stereotyping of foreign dancers so please extend the same courtesy to older dancers). Many small but perfectly formed clubs will be forced to shell out anywhere between £2000 and £20000 for a license or close. And small does not always mean bad. Small often means low house fees, a small dedicated team of girls and punters who are willing to spend.

    However, it's worth noting: Premises providing the entertainment on a limited number of occasions a year will not need to apply for a licence even if the Council adopt the provisions. This must be no more than 11 occasions in a 12 month period with a period of at least 1 month between each occasion. So expect a number of smaller clubs to adapt to a differnet model and who knows, a high rolling weekend once a month might be worth my while...

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    http://www.strip-magazine.com/mmagaz...t=2&category=2

    I did this for strip-magazine re the new laws. I think the thing to emphasise is that the new law has been specifically drawn up by Harriet Harman to close down as many clubs as possible. Clubs always could be closed down for noise, employing under age girls, prostitution etc now they can be closed down just because the council has set a quota of clubs {which could be 0}, or because a few bigots oppose them morally or because " it's near a school", or indeed any nonsense that they want to bring in. There are no "grandfather " rights for existing clubs which may have operated without any problem for many years.

    There are 2 possible good points about the new laws, one is that as per usual with this government they have not been particularly well drafted so are in conflict with a number of EU business rules, the second is that during the "consultation" 70% of councils did not bother to reply so may not adopt the law in their territory. The sex encounter laws have been available in London since the 1980s but only Westminster and Hackney have ever used them.

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    I understand that Iceland has just passed a new law outlawing striptease and any form of nudity. No idea why, perhaps we are reverting to Victorian times ?

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    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-19-2005, 12:06 PM

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