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    I think anyone with some common sense is going to realize that anything that a dancer says to you that is in anyway sexual and especially during a lap dance is just a stripper line.

    But what about normal, chit-chat conversations during say, while waiting for a song to start or while the stripper is on break and isn't currently selling dances?

    Are those conversations genuine conversations or is the "stripper mask" still firmly in place?

    My best guess is that it's a mix of both. The girl isn't deviously planning every thing she says in order to entice you to buy more dances but at the same time, she also realizes that simply by spending time with a customer; it'll probably make it more likely he will seek her out.

    I'm asking because when I was in Flashdancers last time, I was having dinner at the sushi bar. A dancer who was on break came by and sat down next to me and ordered some food. After a while, I turned to her and said "How's business going" to strike up a friendly conversation. We talked a little bit about what her job was like, the Pickup Artist show on VH1 and the tactics that were taught on there (which she absolutely hated), how women are better at reading body language and non-verbal commuications, etc. The conversation was completely non-sexual and at no time did she make any attempt sell me anything. Also, she wasn't talking in that really flirty and upbeat way that a lot of strippers do when they are on the floor. When she was done eating, she simply left.

    Maybe I'm just over-thinking and being too cynical, but I couldn't help think about smart it would be to gain a customer and even a regular by acting completely different from all the other dancers that are hustling. Instead of pretending to be heads over heels for the guy and flirty like most other girls do, you instead just talk to him like any other stranger in a public venue which makes him think "Oh cool, she's not being pushy or selling anything".

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    I think she likes you.

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    Did she come back later and try to sell you a dance?
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    I got a lot of sales from being "real". I just acted like myself, just a modified version who cared about their lives.

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    When I give a dance and I'm waiting for a song to start or sitting with a customer at the bar, my Stripper Mask is ALWAYS firmly in place.

    Now, that's not to say I'm sitting there being a pushy saleswoman or anything. I'm very much "myself", like Mediocrity said - just a modified version of myself who actually gives a flying fuck what you think and how you feel. However, this is still a sales technique. While I'm sitting there making polite conversation, I'm still data-mining and gathering information on you to figure out how to better upsell you, get another dance, or get a dance in the first place.

    Sales in a strip club aren't always pushy. The best ones are subtle - a vast majority of the time a customer won't even realize I'm still in sales mode. In fact, the only time I've been called out on it was from a guy who WAS a salesman, a sales manager in fact, who was so impressed with my l33t dancer skillz, y0, that he bought a dance.
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    while now everything that comes out of my mouth is well thought through stripper shit, (anything as random as "the weather is nice" is a lead in to a sale) there was a time where as a newbie, sometimes i let the stripper persona slip and was my real self, and not thinking selling thoughts. i don't think there's a way to tell which was the case here. Not everyone is a super crazy hustler, she really may have been real
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    When she was done eating, she simply left.
    Maybe its just me, but I'd be offended if she just left without asking me if I wanted a dance. I would be thinking - "What, do I look too poor to buy lap dances? She thinks I come to the club just to talk about some stupid TV show?"

    Also, "Mystery" preaches a method for picking up dancers that states, in the most absolute terms, - Do not buy lap dances from dancers,... ever. So, she probably pegged you as a Mystery follower and didn't waste her time asking. Dancers are familiar with the 'I don't buy lap dances and I'm offended you'd even ask' type of men. Look for some threads on this subject in this forum.

    Most dancers seem very genuine to me during the chat phase (not the flirting stuff, but the personal stuff they talk about). Of course, some are very phony, but most of them just chat about anything that comes up. I've had nice happy conversations and I've had sad conversations. One dancer showed me pictures on her phone about her bruises when her boyfriend beat her up. I don't think it was a 'poor me, give me charity money' routine. She brought it up, because she wanted to get my legal opinion about filing charges with the DA's office. (Also, she was telling me this after I had said 'yes' to dances and we were in the place for lap dances,... and I told her I had to get back to work very soon... So if anything, she was wasting valueable $$$ time.) Another dancer expressed to me that she felt ashamed of dancing, but needed the money... Again, this was said in the context of a long conversation about her background, shared experiences, etc. and I don't think it was calculated to sell me dances. If it was, it had the opposite effect - I only bought one dance from her and didn't enjoy it because I felt guilty the whole time. Yet another dancer explained to me that, because she was black, she had to hustle twice as hard as the white girls... She was a knockout black girl, but this revelation seemed very sincere to me.

    The ones that seem fake to me are the ones that act horny and dumb. They talk about how much they love sex and how often they masturbate,... this wouldn't be so bad, even if it were fake,... but they also act dumb and ditsy, too... Total turn off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMynxx View Post
    l33t dancer skillz
    I love you.
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    Mystery's methods only work on stupid girls.

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    ^^^ Yeah, its far easier to pick up dancers by logging on to SW... I'm going to make you my GF, Med. JK.

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    ^^ Haha. Pick up at all gives me many LOLZ.

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    Hahaha, hate to confess this, but I was at a regular bar recently, with my GF, who is also retired dancer. And some guy came up to us with a Mystery line, right out of the book. I totally didn't catch it for a second, and started answering his inane quetion. My girl stopped me because she recognized his question from the show. Boy did I feel stupid. Still..the dude that approached us...he could have said and done everything in the world...no way was he going to get anywhere with us...but he did ALMOST succeed at talking me up for a second.

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    ^^^ I need a quick female opinion on something, do you think pick up lines ever work?

    The reason the "quick female opinion opener" works is because women never have a quick female opinion on anything, so you'll get at least a good 30 minutes of chatting with their guard down.

    I was a philosophy major in college and used similar conversation starters in college bars (this was 17 years ago, before "Mystery"). After a few drinks, I would say something 'deep' like - Man, B.F. Skinners behaviorism is just blowing my mind. Do you guys (to a group of girls) believe that we have a free will or, is everything we say and do pre-determined by our life experiences and conditioning?

    Women are very cerebral so they can get deep into philosophical discussions (and be impressed with the question), whereas a typical college guy would respond with - Who gives a shit? Let's have another shot.
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    I can only offer an answer based on my own personality. Basically, if I was being nice to a customer, then I had my stripper mask in place. Even if I wasn't interested in selling that customer at that time, I didn't know who was paying attention and I could have been losing out on another sales opportunities in the near future. So, even if I had no desire to have a conversation with a random stranger at the bar while I took my dinner break, I would behave in a way that says "This girl is nice and approachable" to foster good feelings over all.

    I have been very rude to random men trying to chat me up in public. If after the first time I say, "Please, I'm trying to have a quiet meal alone" and he persists, I get rude at that point. I would never have done that ITC. That kind of behavior is bad for business.


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    ^^^ I need a quick female opinion on something, do you think pick up lines ever work?

    The reason the "quick female opinion opener" works is because women never have a quick female opinion on anything, so you'll get at least a good 30 minutes of chatting with their guard down.

    I was a philosophy major in college and used similar conversation starters in college bars (this was 17 years ago, before "Mystery"). After a few drinks, I would say something 'deep' like - Man, B.F. Skinners behaviorism is just blowing my mind. Do you guys (to a group of girls) believe that we have a free will or, is everything we say and do pre-determined by our life experiences and conditioning?

    Women are very cerebral so they can get deep into philosophical discussions (and be impressed with the question), whereas a typical college guy would respond with - Who gives a shit? Let's have another shot.
    If I'm out drinking and tearing it up, I like to turn my brain off. I'd go for that topic in a different setting other than a bar. I'm not trying to be cerebral when I am drinking $3 shots of Crown Royal and dancing my ass off.

    Out at a bar, I am totally "Who gives a shit? Let's have another shot".

    But yeah, I don't believe pick up lines work on quality women. A lot of them won't give you the time of day if you aren't their type; I know I am guilty as charged.

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    ^^^
    Yeah, that intellectual crap worked on certain type of brainy college girls when I was in college, but I don't think it would work so well in a regular bar setting. People would think I'm on drugs.

    It was the only benefit I received from my undergraduate major in philosophy.

    If I wanted to meet you in a bar, my approach would be a challenge - "Med,... is that you're name?... You're a damn lightweight with your little Crown Royal shots. I bet you $100 I can drink two shots for every one shot you drink,... plus, I'll keep dancing at least 30 minutes after you've pass out on the floor." My guess is that you are not the type of girl to turn down a challenge.
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    Last night a guy paid me for conversation but everything he asked me and i answered he didn't believe anyway. I tell the truth when people ask me questions about my life. Oh well his problem not mine. I think he had a personality disorder.
    He kept saying "tell me something interesting that I've never heard before'. Ah yeh sorry can't be bothered being clever at 2am so i just let him ask me questions and I answered them.

    He didn't believe I had a law degree (I couldn't care less) he thought I was a gangsters wife and that I liked coke LOL. Watching too many movies I think.
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    Yeah, that intellectual crap worked on certain type of brainy college girls when I was in college, but I don't think it would work so well in a regular bar setting. People would think I'm on drugs.

    It was the only benefit I received from my undergraduate major in philosophy.

    If I wanted to meet you in a bar, my approach would be a challenge - "Med,... is that you're name?... You're a damn lightweight with your little Crown Royal shots. I bet you $100 I can drink two shots for every one shot you drink,... plus, I'll keep dancing at least 30 minutes after you've pass out on the floor." My guess is that you are not the type of girl to turn down a challenge.
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    @yoda: Actually no, she didn't come back later. I did see her walking around the floor later but I don't think she noticed me.

    @jack: I actually told her straight up that I did study the PUA material. The context was that I was talking about coming up to NYC every now and then to meet girls in clubs (not strip clubs, normal clubs) and she asked me what I would do in these clubs. I replied, exact words "Have you ever seen The Pickup Artist on VH1?" which led her to groan heavily and face palm herself. She gave me the usual "be yourself" talk which then led to a discussion about what that really means and if there's anything inherently anything wrong with a man learning this sort of material.

    I was not in any shape or form trying to pick her up however. I was just starting up a random conversation since she happened to be sitting next to me. Thinking back, I believe my main motivation for speaking to her is because I was curious if strippers would ever drop their business mask at their workplace when speaking to someone who is a customer. Well I guess I still don't know since I'm asking here. Through out dinner I was jumping back and forth between talking to her and my friend who was seated on my opposite side.

    When you guys say that you are pretending to be interested in their lives, do you mean in the same way a person at the office might say, pretend to care that their co-worker's gold fish died the day before (in other words, being polite in the same way you would be to anyone else) or in a "OMG YOUR LIFE SOUNDS SO FASCINATING. TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT YOUR ADVENTURES DOWN AT THE ACCOUNTING OFFICE" way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post

    When you guys say that you are pretending to be interested in their lives, do you mean in the same way a person at the office might say, pretend to care that their co-worker's gold fish died the day before (in other words, being polite in the same way you would be to anyone else) or in a "OMG YOUR LIFE SOUNDS SO FASCINATING. TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT YOUR ADVENTURES DOWN AT THE ACCOUNTING OFFICE" way?
    The former rather than the latter. People can often tell when someone is blowing smoke up their ass in an overt, obvious way.

    And why would a stripper drop her work persona for a customer who admitted to being into the Pick Up Artist? Don't tell me..you didn't tip any of the girls at the club either, right?

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    Sorry OP, ITC Im always a stripper and you're always a customer. I want your money. I want it more than you can possibly imagine. And I have perfected the art of "being myself" to a customer. Which "self" would you like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    Mystery's methods only work on stupid girls.
    But there are a lot of stupid girls out there--and guys of course.

    That's why we have books like The Rules, for the women to manipulate stupid men, and books by assholes like Mystery, for the men to manipulate stupid women. This way they can perpetuate their traits (i.e. monumental stupidity) in the gene pool. Isn't it exciting?

    As an experiment I should actually read some of this crap Mystery has written and go try it in Daytona where I used to live. When I first moved there, I would behave the same way I did in Chicago and Austin, which brought me much happiness with girlfriends etc. They thought I was some kind of mutant. Until I started working in the clubs anyway. But then I wound up turning down a lot because they were so often frightfully, incredibly stupid.

    But yeah, the OP shouldn't have brought up the PUA, unless it was in an obviously derogatory way. Even women the techniques will actually work on don't want to think about the show being a good thing.
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    I love the pick up artists

    they dont tip the girls but they do tip the DJ

    got a girl at my workplace that dances to tenacious d all the time

    guy comes up to me on valentines day, puts 5 $100 bills in my tip jar and requests every tenacious D song

    Had to talk to my manager but I ended up playing a lot of tenacious d

    I split the money with the dancer so she had an ok night even with that

    on topic

    its the same in a strip club as it is in a normal bar

    some girls might be into you some might just want to get completely smashed without paying for a single drinik

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    I would LOVE to dance to a Tenacious D set. You, Mr. DJ, are made of awesome!

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    I was strictly there as a customer, not to pick up any of the girls working there. So yes, that does mean tipping the girls on the stage and buying dances.

    Obviously I wasn't trying to work game on the girl I was talking the sushi bar otherwise I wouldn't have asked her about the show. That would be like a sleazy used cars sales man trying to put one over a customer and then throw in "Do you ever get the feeling that someone was pulling a fast one on your?" in the middle of the conversation. I mean hell, I even took it one step further and directly told her that I had studied the tactics used in the community.

    I'm new here but my best guess is that there have been hundreds of threads along the lines of "OMG DOES THIS DANCER LIEK ME". I can ensure that in this case, I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money. Well, even if you believe what I'm saying is "customer shit", at least humor me and please play along for the purpose of this thread. And no, I don't think just because a dancer responds to me talking to her means that she is interested in me and more specifically, I don't think the dancer I was using in my example was any more interested in me then a girl who I just randomly walked up to at Whole Foods and striked up a 15 minute conversation with would be.

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