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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    I can ensure that in this case, I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money.
    I think the problem with just talking to someone ITC without making money is that while you're doing that you are wasting time not making money. Money is after all at least one of the reasons you're there, since dancing at a SC is a job.

    There might be girls (and boys) out there who sit around not working while at work, but what's the point of that? You can have unpaid fun whenever you want when you're not working. You can have paid fun ITC.

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    That's why we have books like The Rules, for the women to manipulate stupid men, and books by assholes like Mystery, for the men to manipulate stupid women.
    Here is the thing - "Mystery", "Style" and a few other "pickup artists" are damn geniuses and I am very impressed with them - No, not for stupid "techniques" on seducing women, but for their seduction of stupid men - for building multi-million dollar empires off of lonely guys who'll pay $5,000 for a silly seminar - "pickup bootcamp" - that is supposed to give them jedi mind powers. There are stupid guys willing to pay $15,000 for one-on-one coaching with Mystery.

    The stuff that Mystery teaches is no mystery. I learned similar "techniques" by being in a very popular college fraternity 17 years ago, when Mystery was still a minimum wage magician on a cruise ship. Basically, we were exclusive, "elite", cocky, funny, playful, extravagant and always throwing wild parties. We had great booze and even better drugs. The hottest sorrority girls were there for the taking, plus we had very pretty regulars that would always hang around with us, and rotated, dating/sleeping with different guys in the fraternity. I should have written books and produced audio CDs about our "techniques".

    The "seduction community" is basically just a copycat of this - they try to create little fraternities of guys trying to act cool, cocky and funny. My question is - didn't they have fraternities at the colleges these guys went to? This is not a new science,... its old stuff.

    But, I give "Mystery" and "Style" credit for becoming multi-millionnaires without working too hard - by seducing men. "Style" made a record-breaking $1.4 million in just a few hours by releasing a "top secret" "limited release" of his "Annihilation Method". Each set of CDs (only 375 copies were made, allegedly) sold for $3,799. Whatever was in this "Annihilation Method" must be really magical and potent stuff,... so watch out ladies.
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    What those PUAs have done is reverse engineer the same things that naturals do....well, naturally. I'm not talking about cheesy openers like "Do you believe in spells?" or "Hey did you see the fight outside?" I'm talking more so concepts such as not supplicating to a girl, thinkin that you can win her over by basically sucking up to her; buying her drinks and showering her with compliments; which is what guys that generally not good with women do.

    I will freely admit that I very little skills with women and also little experience. When I was in college I didn't do all those things that jack was talking about. I didn't go on my first date until the age of 22 (I'm 23 now). What do you think is better, just sitting at home gettin bitter or actually makin an effort to improve a part of my life that is lacking? There's so many people in this world that will moan and groan about whatever problems they have in life without making any effort to correct it. Why hate on people who have admitted that they have a problem and are tryin to fix it?

    Dancers are female version of PUAs. They have cold approached thousands of male customers and after a while were able to pick up things about men that many other women do not. I don't think there's anything wrong with a stripper putting a hustle down on a customer nor am I offended by the fact that there's even a section of this board specfiically dedicated specfiically to trading tips on the best way to extract cash from customers. Hell, how can I say I haveh a problem with that when I particpate on message boards that are made up of guys discussing ways to pick up women? Dancers have a real understanding of what men want and what they respond to. Why is it wrong for a man to try and understand the way females think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    When I was in college I didn't do all those things that jack was talking about.
    You're young... Go back to college. Find a "party school" college that has an awesome Greek campus life and join the best fraternity that will take you. (Try going to college in a state like NY, Fla or Ca.)

    If I could go back to college and pass for a young college guy, I'd do it in a second. Women will never again be so easy and accessible as they are in college. (No offense to any college girl here.)

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    That's just plain silly. I'm lucky enough to have graduated with only about 7 k in debt. Why would I go back and rack up even more debt for a "second chance"? Plus, I can't be in college my entire life. I can't always depend on having the social proof that a frat would give me or being in a constant party envrionment. Honestly, I'm not really a guy that enjoys bars, clubs, parties but I will force myself to go to one in order to meet women.

    IMO, I think it's smarter for me to stay where I am in life right now and just simply work on myself. That way no matter where else I might end up, I'll still have all those positive qualities that I am trying to cultivate. An interesting cool guy, is an intersting cool guy no matter where he is.

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    You're right,... dating and having sex with an unlimited pool of smart, wild, sexually liberated 19-21 year-old college girls is not worth going back to college....

    What about for an advanced degree and better pay?

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    I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money. [/QUOTE]

    Yes, IF

    1. I already have all your money and am spending obligation time "relationship build" with you for a regular type of patronage

    2. You aren't spending money on me, but no one is, the club is 100% dead, and I don't want to be off the floor reading in the back in case someone comes in. Although, still, even with this, I'm more than likely still going to periodically work some hustle. At least I could get stage tips out of it.

    I'm a pretty good conversationalist though. Its not that each and every sentence is constructed and calculated with a closing sales line in mind. I've had some great, relaxed convos with custies over the years, that led many places. I just try to bring it back to reality every few minutes or. Otherwise I'm losing money sitting in a club I have to pay to work, simply in order to chit-chat. Doesn't mean that its all 100% fake and contrived. I get a feel for the guy and find out what he wants.

    If he's kind of creepy and asking me weird probing questions, he's going to get a sexy, detailed, contrived story. But if he is genuine, or shy, I am far more personable and gentle.


    If you aren't spending on anyone AND you tell me you're into the Mystery Method, I will laugh at you, walk away, and inform every girl in the club you're trying to run PUA so you get completely ignored. Strippers HATE PUA game, for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Here is the thing - "Mystery", "Style" and a few other "pickup artists" are damn geniuses and I am very impressed with them - No, not for stupid "techniques" on seducing women, but for their seduction of stupid men - for building multi-million dollar empires off of lonely guys who'll pay $5,000 for a silly seminar - "pickup bootcamp" - that is supposed to give them jedi mind powers. There are stupid guys willing to pay $15,000 for one-on-one coaching with Mystery.

    The stuff that Mystery teaches is no mystery. I learned similar "techniques" by being in a very popular college fraternity 17 years ago, when Mystery was still a minimum wage magician on a cruise ship. Basically, we were exclusive, "elite", cocky, funny, playful, extravagant and always throwing wild parties. We had great booze and even better drugs. The hottest sorrority girls were there for the taking, plus we had very pretty regulars that would always hang around with us, and rotated, dating/sleeping with different guys in the fraternity. I should have written books and produced audio CDs about our "techniques".

    The "seduction community" is basically just a copycat of this - they try to create little fraternities of guys trying to act cool, cocky and funny. My question is - didn't they have fraternities at the colleges these guys went to? This is not a new science,... its old stuff.

    But, I give "Mystery" and "Style" credit for becoming multi-millionnaires without working too hard - by seducing men. "Style" made a record-breaking $1.4 million in just a few hours by releasing a "top secret" "limited release" of his "Annihilation Method". Each set of CDs (only 375 copies were made, allegedly) sold for $3,799. Whatever was in this "Annihilation Method" must be really magical and potent stuff,... so watch out ladies.
    Agree 100%. From a pure entrepeneurial standpoint, Mystery and those guys are brilliant. They have cornered a great market that will continue to pay out as long as he keeps developing more "Advanced" levels. Is it just me, or is it all reminiscent of Dungeons and Dragons? At least, that's what some of the nomenclature reminded me of the show.

    Ya know, pass the "bonzai challenge" and get a "lucky widget chip" tool to take on your next "mission."

    Hilarious.

    On the plus side, if the damn method wasn't so focused on bedding women, or bugging strippers/waitresses/bartenders when they are working...the tactics could be useful for getting some of the shy lonely guys out there and meeting girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You're right,... dating and having sex with an unlimited pool of smart, wild, sexually liberated 19-21 year-old college girls is not worth going back to college....

    What about for an advanced degree and better pay?
    I have long-terms goals in life right, mostly related to advancing my career and becoming independent from my parents. Heading back to school right now, especially just for the purpose of partying would be a huge detour off the path where I want to go. I don’t have tens of thousands of dollars laying around to pay for my tuition nor do I have another 2-4 years to invest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You're right,... dating and having sex with an unlimited pool of smart, wild, sexually liberated 19-21 year-old college girls is not worth going back to college....

    What about for an advanced degree and better pay?
    I think a 23 year old grad student trying to move into a frat house full of 18-20 year old guys is stupid.

    Let him learn in the real world.

    I was never in a sorority in college, and my college experience was nothing like yours. I think that's a good thing. Not everyone wants to pay some frat boys for friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money.
    No. Not if she knows what she's doing and is money oriented. If not, who the hell knows. Some girls are new, they don't know what they're doing yet or how to hustle. Is it possible? Sure, anything is possible. Does it matter? Nope. You're a customer. You're there to spend money. Even if the girl you're asking about isn't capable of making it off you for one reason or another, SOMEONE will.

    Go to the club, buy drinks, tip the girls, have a nice time and stop turning it into a meaning of life crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    I think a 23 year old grad student trying to move into a frat house full of 18-20 year old guys is stupid.
    Yeah, if he wants to see a lot of 18-21 year old women dancing and taking their clothes off, he should go to the SCs.

    My college experience was like going to a SC where lap dances and extras are free.

    In a few years, when its too late,... he'll be wishing he had listened to me. He missed the best part of the college experience.

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    Yeah, if he wants to see a lot of 18-21 year old women dancing and taking their clothes off, he should go to the SCs.

    My college experience was like going to a SC where lap dances and extras are free.

    In a few years, when its too late,... he'll be wishing he had listened to me. He missed the best part of the college experience.
    And you are how old and still entirely too stuck on your college experience. Grow up already.
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    And you are how old and still entirely too stuck on your college experience. Grow up already.
    I'm trying to impart my wisdom on this young lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money.
    She was eating. Chatting with you was a slight bit better than eating alone in the corner of the SC.

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    I'm trying to impart my wisdom on this young lad.
    :vomit: your wisdom to party and act like a teenager? good for you. thats something to be proud of and consistently "brag" about.
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    ^^^ The only thing worst than being stuck in your glory days of college, is not having had any glory days in college.

    Everybody I know had an awesome time in college,... and then,... like you said,... its time to grow up. I accept that. But this poor lad has to grow up, without ever having had the benefit of the wild and crazy college experience. Its an essential part of the male's personal development. He's trying to figure out women now... when the place to experiment and learn that was in college. (I'm not just talking about the marvels of female sexuality,... but about loving them, too. I got my "Mr." degree in college - I was engaged to my ex-wife by the time I graduated college.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin View Post
    I'm new here but my best guess is that there have been hundreds of threads along the lines of "OMG DOES THIS DANCER LIEK ME". I can ensure that in this case, I'm just genuinely curious about how if a dancer that was ITC would ever bother having a conversation with a customer that wasn't geared towards her making money.
    Well, OK, if I tell you it happens once in a while you have to promise that you won't start wasting a lot of time in the clubs trying to figure out when it's real and when it's fake...

    There are a few ladies scattered throughout a few clubs that I have known for many years that I have never danced with and never will. They know my type and they know they are not it. We became familiar with each other when they started dancing and remained acquaintances after they gave up on trying to work me for dances. These ladies will stop over and say hello when they see me in the club. We may chat for a few minutes or even longer if it's slow. The thing is, when they do this it is still work in the sense that by sitting with me when there are no customers around they look busy to the other guys in the club. The entire time they are sitting they are watching the front door and watching the PD area to see if any potential customers become available.

    In the "old days" before the private dance existed most of my favs never even left the dressing room between stage show. I had to woo my very first ATF out to sit with me by sending a drink back to her in the dressing room. There was no money to be made on the floor back then so most dancers only came out of the dressing room to go to the ladies room. The era of the LD and VIP rooms has obviously changed all that but it has also created a situation where every minute of a lady's shift is an opportunity to sell a dance and make more money.
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    ^^^ The only thing worst than being stuck in your glory days of college, is not having had any glory days in college.

    Everybody I know had an awesome time in college,... and then,... like you said,... its time to grow up. I accept that. But this poor lad has to grow up, without ever having had the benefit of the wild and crazy college experience. Its an essential part of the male's personal development. He's trying to figure out women now... when the place to experiment and learn that was in college. (I'm not just talking about the marvels of female sexuality,... but about loving them, too. I got my "Mr." degree in college - I was engaged to my ex-wife by the time I graduated college.)
    Yes you're right. Im broken and will never recover because I didn't have any glory days in college. It's been detrimental you have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    In the "old days" before the private dance existed most of my favs never even left the dressing room between stage show. I had to woo my very first ATF out to sit with me by sending a drink back to her in the dressing room. There was no money to be made on the floor back then so most dancers only came out of the dressing room to go to the ladies room. The era of the LD and VIP rooms has obviously changed all that but it has also created a situation where every minute of a lady's shift is an opportunity to sell a dance and make more money.
    interesting analysis, and it makes you appreciate clubs today, and another reason why probably some of these guys who have the money, and who sit back and complain about not being approached, might want to walk up and just ask the dancers themselves.

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    ^^^ The only thing worst than being stuck in your glory days of college, is not having had any glory days in college.

    Everybody I know had an awesome time in college,... and then,... like you said,... its time to grow up. I accept that. But this poor lad has to grow up, without ever having had the benefit of the wild and crazy college experience. Its an essential part of the male's personal development. He's trying to figure out women now... when the place to experiment and learn that was in college. (I'm not just talking about the marvels of female sexuality,... but about loving them, too. I got my "Mr." degree in college - I was engaged to my ex-wife by the time I graduated college.)
    If this guy doesn't have game, he isn't going to get it by just being in school. I lived with 2 guys in college. They were both really geeky, awkaward, and not cute. Only one of them got laid in the entire 3 college years we had together. And she wasn't hot, but they dated for a while.

    So, considering he doesn't have the money to join a frat, and he doesn't have any game to the point he has to rely on Mystery Method, its just not good advice for him.

    You appear to be very outgoing Jack, from everything you have posted. Not everyone is like that. Try a little more empathy.

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    Yes you're right. Im broken and will never recover because I didn't have any glory days in college. It's been detrimental you have no idea.
    I thought we were talking about the OP... Its worst for a guy to miss that opportunity. After, college, if he ever wants to see young 18-21 years old girls dancing and taking their clothes off, he'll have to pay $20 per dance... and a lot more for extras...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    You appear to be very outgoing Jack, from everything you have posted. Not everyone is like that. Try a little more empathy.
    You don't understand... I was a poor, shy and insecure guy who went to an upper middle-class Long Island, NY college on a scholarship. I went through an incredible transformation in college. I hate to admit it, but joining a fraternity had a lot to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You don't understand... I was a poor, shy and insecure guy who went to an upper middle-class Long Island, NY college on a scholarship. I went through an incredible transformation in college. I hate to admit it, but joining a fraternity had a lot to do with it.
    But you were 18-22 then right? I think that age allows for a lot more formative experience. After that, people become a bit more set in their ways. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

    OP should join a ballroom dancing/salsa dancing school and/or social group. I used to be greatly involved in that scene and saw a lot of shy young men blossom. And women who want to practice the dance will dance with everyone, its much less elitist, and much more honest than PUA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast101 View Post
    interesting analysis, and it makes you appreciate clubs today, and another reason why probably some of these guys who have the money, and who sit back and complain about not being approached, might want to walk up and just ask the dancers themselves.

    I have no sympathy for guys who whine about not being approached by dancers...especially since they will also whine if they get hit with a few too many "wanna dance" girls during a club visit. The thing is though it's not a singles bar. If you are going to approach a lady it should be with the sole intent of spending money on her, not to chat her up and try to get a phone number. I shouldn't even have to post this but, well, some guys are pretty stupid...
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