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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I know when she started (she was clearly new plus I know her friend who recruited/started her). I'm a club regular. I know how old she is (her + her FB agree). The facts are as I stated them.
    Well, OK, so much for me not busting your balls about lusting after a 19 year old woman...

    Honestly E what are you asking us here? Are you asking if she likes you? Are you asking us if it's ok for you lust after a woman young enough to be your child? Are you asking if being her FB buddy makes you BFL's? Are you asking if you should pin her for prom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Honestly E what are you asking us here? Are you asking if she likes you? Are you asking us if it's ok for you lust after a woman young enough to be your child? Are you asking if being her FB buddy makes you BFL's? Are you asking if you should pin her for prom?
    I'm asking "what would explain this" when I don't think these 2 things are going on:

    1) She's romantically into me (don't think so)

    2) She's some wily stripper running a game (known a lot of strippers, and I just don't get that sense from her)

    SteveSmith probably gave the best and truest answer. But there is also this...she's probably heard a lot of dressing room talk about "the way to catch a whale" is you gotta text em, talk to em on the phone, make them feel like you're their girlfriend. She might think I'm her first whale, and is treating me accordingly.

    But I'm no whale...kind of like when I was a kid first fishing, and I thought that little perch was the biggest thing I'd ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I'm asking "what would explain this" ...
    OK, and I'm asking why does there have to be an explanation? Strip clubs are really very simple places. Beautiful women take their clothes off and we as customers pay to watch them do that. The more we pay the longer we get to watch. Anything, and I do mean anything beyond that just complicates things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    For the record, I don't think there is any possible way she "cares" about me after knowing me for 1 month in a strip club setting only. Nor do I, for her. That would be delusional and "out of our damn mind," in either direction.

    BUT. I have met literally in the high hundreds of strippers over the past few years, gotten dances from low hundreds, have gotten to know well (ITC anyway) 10-20, and been a hard-core regular of 3. Of all those hundreds, even down to the 3, she is the FIRST to move so fast to OTC, and only the second to make out (not that I tried with her or anyone else; you're in a dance and your faces are close and it just sorta...happens.) So I had to ask, my experience with her being so different from any other I've had, what exactly is going on here?

    My head is on straight. The big one, anyway. (;
    I think I got what is going on.

    Low 100's of different dancers you've bought dancers from, and 3 serious regulars?, and only ONE of all those previous girls actually kissed you in a serious way? Unless you are going to all air dance clubs, or live in a very restrictive area. that is a very low number, so it might cause you to misinterpret what it means for this young girl to noq be kissing you.

    Usually not much, except liking you as a paying customer. Stated most favorably on your behalf, the kissingITC itself sometimes produces this sort of connection thing for some girls, but that is generally rare, and its nearly always platonic.

    Odds are high you are one of these (sincere, nondeceptive, noncontrolling, monogamous) "nice guys" that hot women termporarily fall back on when they are on the rebound from the usual cheating jerks they get all that chemistry from.

    That is a real life thing, but it can be paralleled in the strip club world.

    She tells you her troubles, even tells you about her bad guys. That is classic.

    Plus to complicate it, you are a strip club customer, and also much older.

    You might be a type of stopgap for her.

    That is the best case scenario from the facts you've provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    OK, and I'm asking why does there have to be an explanation? Strip clubs are really very simple places. Beautiful women take their clothes off and we as customers pay to watch them do that. The more we pay the longer we get to watch. Anything, and I do mean anything beyond that just complicates things.

    ^^^X1000
    There are some here that will just never get it - they aren't happy just accepting the SC experience at face value. They must dissect it like a frog in a high school biology class.
    After all of the grand assumptions and deep,scientific analysis are done, what are they left with? Nekkid ladies dancing for money. No duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    ^^^X1000
    There are some here that will just never get it - they aren't happy just accepting the SC experience at face value. They must dissect it like a frog in a high school biology class.
    After all of the grand assumptions and deep,scientific analysis are done, what are they left with? Nekkid ladies dancing for money. No duh.
    if its an airplane site, they are talking incredible bullshit about airplanes, much of it very non technical, and everything tangentially related in some vague way to aviation, same with foreign exotic car sites. The first has has some wings, and engines, the 2nd an engine and 4 wheels, and they both get you from Point A to Point B, one in the air and one on the ground, whats the big deal then?

    Its because some people are connoseurs, they get into detail other don't get into, its the nature of a site like this, yes, its a stripper site but it does have customer conversation sections, and all kinds of strip club related topics comes up, and some of the minutia even surprises me. Its just the way it is on these specialized sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I'm asking "what would explain this" when I don't think these 2 things are going on.

    Just watch 10 minutes of MTV or any cable-based reality show. What is held as valuable to one generation is not automatically inherited by the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I'm asking "what would explain this" when I don't think these 2 things are going on:

    1) She's romantically into me (don't think so)

    2) She's some wily stripper running a game (known a lot of strippers, and I just don't get that sense from her)
    There are many other possible explanations.

    3. She is new to dancing and started her career at a club where nobody bothered to give her any training or tell her what a lapdance entails. She had to rely on the worst possible people to show her the ropes. The customers. Maybe some other customer told her that making out is a normal part of a dance, and she believed him.

    4. She has some kind of brain damage that causes her to enjoy making out with dudes who are literally old enough to be her father.

    5. She thinks it's cool to act like a filthy slut, because she has grown up watching pop stars get showered with money and attention for acting like filthy sluts.

    6. She is an evil genius, hell bent on taking over the world via kissing diseases like herpes and mono. Once the kissing diseases have spread the world over, she will demand one kabillion dollars in exchange for the antidote which she developed in utero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    OK, and I'm asking why does there have to be an explanation? Strip clubs are really very simple places. Beautiful women take their clothes off and we as customers pay to watch them do that. The more we pay the longer we get to watch. Anything, and I do mean anything beyond that just complicates things.
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    I was gonna say she just sounds like a crack whore stripper who has no clue what she is doing, but these answers already posted are much better....

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    There are many other possible explanations.

    3. She is new to dancing and started her career at a club where nobody bothered to give her any training or tell her what a lapdance entails. She had to rely on the worst possible people to show her the ropes. The customers. Maybe some other customer told her that making out is a normal part of a dance, and she believed him.

    4. She has some kind of brain damage that causes her to enjoy making out with dudes who are literally old enough to be her father.

    5. She thinks it's cool to act like a filthy slut, because she has grown up watching pop stars get showered with money and attention for acting like filthy sluts.

    6. She is an evil genius, hell bent on taking over the world via kissing diseases like herpes and mono. Once the kissing diseases have spread the world over, she will demand one kabillion dollars in exchange for the antidote which she developed in utero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    points out the bouncer she wants to fuck.
    That's your answer right there. If she's doing that, you are wasting your time even thinking about this bitch.
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    Everyman, I honestly think you got lucky and hit a wild card, the most important factor being constantly meeting vast quantities of dancers in all sorts of clubs over a number of years. its the law of large numbers. If this girl is like off the charts hot, I've been in a similar situation, but 22 yrs old, a couple of yrs back, absolutely USC cheerleader type looks, non-smoker, great personality just started in the business too (like 3 people ITC confirmed it), finishing up with typical bad guy BF, but my guess in your case she will be in and out of the business because she will be falling in and out of love with her RL guys, either bad ass guys or filthy rich guys, the one I know is back out of the business, but I've known her for a couple of yrs in total but always ITC but the makeout thing was a pretty good, which she made a big deal about, she was wild in a party sense but kissing to her ITC was a huge deal, she always wanted my advice about what worked with RL guys. real specific detail, which seems absurd, but these guys were like major studs or something. You have to accept it for what it is, it cannot last even in its limited form.. Last time i talked to her about 6 months ago referring to the first few months after i met her a year earlier, she said "were you in love?" my answer was "well, i got this lift thing now and then, not unexpected, but no nothing major because I am not that stupid" and that was 100% accurate as it occured.. Its very honest with no b.s. which is kind of nice.

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    i should add, there was no "i want to fuck a bouncer" thing going on, this girl was into being "in love" finding the right guy thing.i that is one difference. Good family background, and I think dancing scared her to death, kind of wanted an anchor thing ITC, someone she knew aside from dancer friends, and of course make lots of money with her first major customer

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    She is young and stupid and gets stoned. Maybe she thought giving u her fb details was a good idea when stoned or maybe she is just that stupid that she will become friends with a lot of customers.

    She sounds like one of those newbie dancers who are really more of a bar slut and should not be working as a stripper because she will never be smart enough to be business minded about the job and just perform extras and spoil it for the real strippers.

    Honestly the idea that a girl kisses customers just makes me sick. YUK. If I were u I wouldn't be going near THAT MOUTH.

    Doesn't matter whether u consider that u don't give her PL money. Your money is prob big money to a newbie like her and her next amazing career move might be illegal prostitution on the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    OK, and I'm asking why does there have to be an explanation?
    Because there is one. Probably a personal problem, but at heart I am an amateur psychologist, always trying to figure out what makes people tick and what creates situations. The strip club is actually a great lab to practice that art. ("Money" is too simple an answer for why strippers do things -- most people won't do stripper-type things, even for money.)

    My psychological conclusion is that this girl isn't thinking about her actions at all, beyond doing what she thinks strippers do to get/keep customers. Couple that with a complete lack of internal barriers to doing these kinds of things, barriers that are pretty common in my generation and older ones. In other words, SteveSmith is describing it, a kind of inner void re: any traditional sexual morality, played out in a new environment of highly charged sexuality and money.

    FYI I don't just practice psychology on others...I have a self-diagnosis of why I do this with 19 year-olds, or why I go to clubs at all (in my mind the same question and same answer). Suffice it to say I have calculated I'm better off at this point in my life doing this, than not. Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    ("Money" is too simple an answer for why strippers do things -- most people won't do stripper-type things, even for money.)
    But strippers do. That is why they are strippers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    Yoda this is why I love you. You get it.
    Thank you JayATee...

    In all honesty, I didn't always get it...a lot of really good strippers helped me along the way...
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    I think you got it Everyman. If you like it, just keep enjoying it, won't last forever. She'll eventually wise up, or go off the deep end so far, she won't be the same anymore. And you won't like it.

    She has a lazy hustle and its working for you. Like really, kissing is a lazy hustle. Many custies would like that. Its why escorts must now stay competitve by offering "GFE" which includes kissing.

    Then, talking about fucking the bouncer, also lazy and stupid. Its more than likely going to be a turnoff to most custies, since they want their experience to be about them. But there is just the right amount of custies who are" amateur psychologists" who think that her pseudo-confession means she is getting real with you and the walls are coming down. Its a crapshoot, and either she randomly stumbled upon it, or she pegged you from the beginning, and knew you would like to hear about her "real life."

    More than likely, she just stumbled upon it, and the formula works.

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    I can't bring myself to criticize the OP, as I have found myself in this situation a couple of times and even, in a fit of confusion or something, *gasp* started a thread about it once.

    I have no answers for you sir, as I am also prone to this kind of confusion. I stick to "the rules" as a customer, and enjoy and even emphasize the business-only, let's have fun aspect of the interactions. I get messed up in the head when a girl tramples those boundaries despite my protests.

    What's worse, I can't say it always ends badly, as I'm in the best relationship of my life with a girl who did just that. 14 months into the relationship now, engaged, buying a house, and happier than either of us has ever been.

    I think the real question is... why are YOU a 40 + something man, even remotely think that it is acceptable to have a relationship beyond a friendship with a 19 year old girl.
    I hate this mentality, and some of the similar posts that followed. Why is every male who accepts his attraction to younger women immediately some kind of pedophile and every younger woman who likes older men has daddy issues? You do realize that it's only the last couple of generations and almost exclusively western society that takes issue with this, right? Whenever a teen girl likes a guy more than 5 years older than her, the whole online invariably explodes with "you have daddy issues and if he likes you back he's sick", when neither is necessarily or in fact the case. And heaven forbid a middle aged man be honest in stating his attraction to these girls - he's a predator! :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    But strippers do. That is why they are strippers....
    as you said the other day, dancers are not mere statistics, so while its true the basic equation is and always will be "PL spends money, dancer takes money, end of story", sometimes its a bit more complicated than that. Aside from shaking their tails and doing whatever else we enjoy, its this X factor that makes clubs interesting to many SC connoseurs.

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    She is young and stupid and gets stoned. Maybe she thought giving u her fb details was a good idea when stoned or maybe she is just that stupid that she will become friends with a lot of customers.

    She sounds like one of those newbie dancers who are really more of a bar slut and should not be working as a stripper because she will never be smart enough to be business minded about the job and just perform extras and spoil it for the real strippers.

    Honestly the idea that a girl kisses customers just makes me sick. YUK. If I were u I wouldn't be going near THAT MOUTH.

    Doesn't matter whether u consider that u don't give her PL money. Your money is prob big money to a newbie like her and her next amazing career move might be illegal prostitution on the street.
    I think you are totally right AND you made me laugh my ass off. WIN.

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    FYI to those who wrote, mental update...I normally see her on Thursdays and Fridays, and after last weeks visits and the weekend call/fb activities I was pretty juiced about seeing her again.

    Then I did this thread, and all the responses have cooled me a lot. I'll go out there tomorrow, but it won't be with the giddy excitement of a schoolgirl (pun intended).

    I get yoda's point, if I had just left well enough alone and lived life without dissecting it, I COULD go out there tomorrow with the giddy excitement of a schoolgirl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    I hate this mentality, and some of the similar posts that followed. Why is every male who accepts his attraction to younger women immediately some kind of pedophile and every younger woman who likes older men has daddy issues? You do realize that it's only the last couple of generations and almost exclusively western society that takes issue with this, right? Whenever a teen girl likes a guy more than 5 years older than her, the whole online invariably explodes with "you have daddy issues and if he likes you back he's sick", when neither is necessarily or in fact the case. And heaven forbid a middle aged man be honest in stating his attraction to these girls - he's a predator! :rolleyes:
    you've really nailed it, plus no one gives a crap when guys like 50 plus something yr old shopping store magnate Ron Burkle, the billionaire from CAL and owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins is flying around on his personal Boeing 757 with his ( what 19 yr old?) girlfriend, and having fundraisers for all the libs and feminist groups out here, and hanging with Clintons all the time, "well, yes, he's entitled to it"

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