^^ Poses the question: why DO guys want to dissect and pare down all of our actions instead of just enjoying it? Enigmas are fun.





^^ Poses the question: why DO guys want to dissect and pare down all of our actions instead of just enjoying it? Enigmas are fun.




Damned if I know.
Being an engineer, I'm about as analytical and detail-oriented as you can get, so it's folks like me that you would expect that kind of dissection from. But the more I think about it....maybe it's because of my work that I prefer to leave that kind of thinking "at the office" and enjoy the fantasy and mystery in a SC.
Or am I over thinking the whole thing?![]()



man you've got it bad, actually contemplating and anxoiusly awaiting your next meeting, that is classic. I bet when you are with her, its like you and her and no one else is in the room, the rest of the world just stops. You don't sound like a high money guy, but if you could, the best strategy is finding another very hot dancer ASAP, and kicking things up with this 2nd dancer, to balance it out and keep control of the situation. Its always a bit risky moving dancers from the commodity category to something unique and special.





Yeah, I said that too in another post. The difference is that guys like you and Everyman live for the complications-that makes you PL's. I like to look at boobies and flirt with hot women. That makes me a customer.
Oh please, it's tits, ass and personality that makes it interesting. The rest of it is all head games. If you fancy yourself a player then I guess it's a thrill but please don't throw around elitist words like connoisseur. And if you must at least spell it right....![]()





Bingo dude, see, you have learned something. I love this site but fortunately for me I was already a reformed PL/RIL by the time I found it. I may come off like a smart ass know-it-all but I come by it honestly. I am a graduate of the strip club college of hard knocks. There are still a few dancers out there that I crashed and burned with years ago and I honestly can't even stand being in the same club with them most of the time-and it's not even their fault!




I haven't even addressed this part of the responses because I find the idea that I somehow SHOULDN'T like 19 year olds completely silly. I don't apologize for liking 18-25 year olds PHYSICALLY (mentally, I find some of them vacant and hard to talk to, but not others).
Saying I shouldn't is like saying, "you shouldn't like pizza!! You should like salad!!! You're a grown man after all!!" Well yeah, I guess I should like salad, but I like pizza, and I'm not going to apologize for it.
Put another way, Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks, and he said "cause that's where the money is." Why do I like 19 year old strippers? Cause that's where the sexiness is.
Ratamahattamahattamahatta
Do you have any advice for the nerds on how to get girls?
Pro MMA/UFC/PRIDE/Strikeforce Fighter & Guido Phil Baroni:
"Do steroids, lift heavy weights, get contacts, go tanning. And stop playing all those gay fucking video games. You can’t get pussy in front of a TV playing games with your geeky friends. Go out to night clubs and bars, ...hit the beach. If you got money, floss. Whatever you do, don’t be yourself."
I know how you feel. Last Friday I was out a SC and saw this chick there that put a spell on me (no it wasn't the girl from the "Conversations with strippers ITC" thread I was talking about). There was quite a battle between the logical part of my brain that knew it was all just an in club fantasy and the other part of me that wanted everything to be real. After speaking to a few people about it, including my buddy who I was in the club with I managed to get over it. It feels good to be able to enjoy a a fantasy for what it is.
Ratamahattamahattamahatta
Do you have any advice for the nerds on how to get girls?
Pro MMA/UFC/PRIDE/Strikeforce Fighter & Guido Phil Baroni:
"Do steroids, lift heavy weights, get contacts, go tanning. And stop playing all those gay fucking video games. You can’t get pussy in front of a TV playing games with your geeky friends. Go out to night clubs and bars, ...hit the beach. If you got money, floss. Whatever you do, don’t be yourself."




Actually, in the few years I've been doing this, I've almost always been just a T&A consumer and a good, no-strings-attached customer. Remember, I said I've had dances from hundreds of girls, and this is only the 2nd girl where it seems like bells are going off and "fuck, is something more going on here?" (No, the first one was not the first kisser -- different girl).
I don't go looking for this...usually, I'm in and out and happy, but this chick just seems different. I'm thinking it's a socioeconomic thing, she works (her 2nd job), literally at my corner restaurant (no, I haven't gone in there looking for her), grew up in my neighborhood, she could quite literally be the "girl next door". I think that explains a lot of this. As much fun as I might have with a hot-bodied latina from the hood, I'm just never gonna connect with her on that "you're like me" level.



There is nothing elitist about the term "connoisseur" in the context I've used it and it simply describes having a passion for something beyond the ordinary, often backed with time, effort, and money in pursuit of that particular passion, and I could name maybe like 5 other interests in life that I might describe in a similar fashion, a couple being considerably more expensive than visiting strip clubs.
Now as for claiming to be a "player" that would not be accurate, as I'm not in clubs looking for sex, or dates, and I even avoid anything even leading to that situation. Yes, in Fresno back in 01 I got sidetracked for a time, but I corrected the situation. In fact it is the no strings attached, self contained , no hassle nature of strip clubs that make them interesting to me. I will comment in here because (as odd at first glance to others as it might sound) there is in fact a considerable amount of intellectual firepower on this site, but strip clubs are certainly not the essence of my real life per se.





I am a veteran as are several others here. I am convinced there was at least one stripper who truly liked me. I will check my notes.
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.

Everyman,
Do you ever wonder if the gas station attendant likes you when you're paying for gas?
Do you ever wonder if the cashier at the super market likes you when she's ringing up your grociers?
They are providing a real life service and the stripper is providing a service of boosting your ego.
They all expect to be paid and like the stripper, the gas station attendant and the cashier will think it very weird if you started hanging out at their place of employment and not spend any money.
If you THINK the stripper likes you, ALL it means she's damn good at her job. If you act on thinking she likes you, that's what the bouncers, the pepper spray and the personal protection orders are for.
Your "friend" sees you as a walking ATM the same way a used car dealer sees someone walking onto his lot. A customer. Nothing more, nothing less.
You have a job? What would you think if one of your clients or your company's customers took a liking to you? Everyday, 10-15 of them wanting to "rescue" from your job that, if done with just a LITTLE financial responsibility could set you up for life? And what if they were not even your type in the least? Phillis Diller types who think they have power over you because they think their money makes you their wage slave and therefore they feel entitled to more than just the time they pay for you to do your job?
Strippers care about:
Taking money out of your wallet.
Making you a regular until your money runs out or you cross their line.
Making you a whale until your money runs out or you cross their line.
Making you a sugar daddy until your money runs out or you cross their line.
Yes, their are strippers who will do extras, go out with you, have sex in a hotel or in the parking lot across the street from the club as strippers have different lines to be crossed.
She'll give you attention because you're paying for it.
She'll be nice to you because, like most people, she wants an enjoyable work place.
She will never give you her heart because that is already allocated to either her lesbian lover, boyfriend, husband or baby or babies.
Don't get mad at her. You came there wanting to be liked, understood and ego boosted. She did those things for a fee. She's already stated very plainly that she wants to fuck the bouncer. When a woman is interested in a guy, if a guy says (to her face) that he wants to fuck the waitress, any self-respecting woman would lose interest in the guy and dump him.
It sounds like you're going through a mid-life crisis. Try watching the Dudley Moore movie 10. You'll probably see yourself plain and clear. If you're honest.
Strippers are like pro athletes. You can admire them but most of the people/fans who try to get serious with them are big time PLs.
Everyone keeps telling you these things in so many words. But you KEEP responding because you're holding out for that one person who is going to tell you want you want to hear:
SHE LOVES YOU AND ONLY YOU.
That's true. Only IF, by YOU, we mean your wallet.



Great post.
The OP has never precisely described how hot this dancer is, or how much money he is paying her, both of which would help in understanding what is going on.
Someone ITC may have explained to the dancer how to handle potential RILs, and that may explain the kissing part, such kissing considered by the OP as he states as having some significance.
Note that the (mistaken I believe) consensus view point on this site among dancers is that ITC (makeout style) kissing is very very rare in clubs, and when it happens the girl is either a slut, desperate, or both OR with the few that have admitted to kissing ITC, its only with guys they would otherwise date in the real world, or at least have some attraction toward. Its possible the OP buys that analysis.
True, having a dancer say she wants to fuck the bouncer is a definite red flag for RIL types.









WTF is "RIL"?







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Classic RIL situation with a minor variation, he is conscious of what is occuring and a heavily experienced strip club customer, and that is exactly why he is posting the question. He did say she was like some (high school) Pom Pom girl, but i was hoping something more extreme like she is like hotter than all get out, like the hottest girl on the USC cheerleader squad, the 3rd girl from the left, something lke that, then I could point out that unless he's a regular (50 something California billionaire) Ron Burkle type who has a reputation for flying incredibly hot 19 yr old hotties around the country on his personal 757 (complete with bedroom) so he can can fuck them before he goes to his feminists fundraisers and other libbie causes,, then the OP might just as well forget it..
Then again maybe she gets horny, and she will fuck anything within reach. However I planned to leave that part out.




Right on AJ and WC. Billy Joel (55) married a girl over 32 years his junior (23) in 2004 and Bill Wyman was dating a 13-yo model in the early 1980s. It's like people think men should be castrated after 40. Yet every stripper here obviously thinks it's okay for a girl "young enough to be his daughter" to dance naked for a guy over 40. It's so hypocritical coming from them.
Being attracted to a 19 year old is different from acting on that attraction. 19 year old girls are children. Their brains aren't even finished developing. It's not like you're 50 and she's 30. She's a child, and you are an adult. You are making out with a child. Rationalize it all you want, but it will still be what it is.
What makes it worse is that this particular girl is clearly a little slow, or she would have figured out on her own that it's not ok to make out with customers. I think there is another thread somewhere where we discussed this subject to death.
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