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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Hasn't it been about a month?

    Ok I'm not really asking the question. I'm a veteran both here and in the clubs and can analyze a situation as well as anyone else. *See my answer below.* But I would be interested in any reaction anyone has to the following scenario.

    19 y/o new dancer (20+ years younger than me), I met her 2 weeks after she started, quickly became my fave and been seeing her 2x/week for about a month. First dance she did for me, she said "I'm new, tell me what to do", I did and she followed it step by step. Later she said she did it for another guy and he paid her double price. She was excited about that.

    Our "dances" have gradually evolved into make-out sessions, that's what do mostly. The other day she gave me her number, said call her at midnight after she got off work. I did, but she was pretty stoned and the conversation was not very coherent and lasted only a few minutes.

    Couple of days later she adds me to facebook (her personal site -- we know each other's real data), sends me a msg saying "sorry about the other night, call me anytime!"

    Money facts: I don't give her extra PL money; even if I tip her extra for dances she says "you gave me 85 instead of 75...did you mean to?" Never lets me buy her a drink, says they're too expensive, she'll buy her own. Other day she had made a few hundred, turned a guy down for a dance, came and sat with me, told me about it and said "but you don't have to buy a dance to make up for it."

    Has told me about her boyfriend, says she wants to break up with him, but also tells me all about and points out the bouncer she wants to fuck.

    *My answer*: she does like me, in a personal sense, sees me as both a good potential regular and someone she can be friends with IRL -- and the making out, phone calls, personal contact, are intended to maintain both. But, extremely unlikely she actually likes me "romantically," you generally don't tell someone like that about others you want to fuck, plus our age/life difference is just too great for me to think there is anything romantic going on here.

    Any better analysis?
    Get to know her better and you'll find out. Talk to her on Facebook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    I don't think it's ok, but I don't blame the girl, because she's a kid and doesn't know any better.
    Not okay for 18-yo strippers to have 40-yo customers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    Being attracted to a 19 year old is different from acting on that attraction. 19 year old girls are children. Their brains aren't even finished developing. It's not like you're 50 and she's 30. She's a child, and you are an adult. You are making out with a child. Rationalize it all you want, but it will still be what it is.

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    A 19-yo girl is denfinitely not a child. People marry younger than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    Not okay for 18-yo strippers to have 40-yo customers?
    I don't think it's ok for 18 year old girls to have customers of any age. They should not be stripping.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    A 19-yo girl is denfinitely not a child. People get married younger than that.
    You don't get to decide when a person becomes an adult, and neither do the lawmakers. Mother nature makes that decision. Human brains do not finish developing until the early twenties. Teenagers are not capable of making rational decisions. It's science, brah.

    Just because I'm curious, how young is too young for you? 13? 8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    Being attracted to a 19 year old is different from acting on that attraction. 19 year old girls are children. Their brains aren't even finished developing. It's not like you're 50 and she's 30. She's a child, and you are an adult. You are making out with a child. Rationalize it all you want, but it will still be what it is.

    What makes it worse is that this particular girl is clearly a little slow, or she would have figured out on her own that it's not ok to make out with customers. I think there is another thread somewhere where we discussed this subject to death.
    She is 18 or over, not a minor and as for being slow? well maybe certain dancers in here have been a bit "slow" about finally figuring out that make out style kissing is going on all the place in clubs, and kissing for some girls just isn't a big deal. Of course 19 year olds are too young in my opinion for such things, because its true 19 yr olds are very different than 22 year olds, but I wouldn't assume she is slow. Girls of her generation often start having sex in middle school, which is sad, but it was the end stage (one can hope) of the 30 yr sex revolution starting circa 1965. and its apparently hit a wall because you just cannot go any lower, unless the pervs take total control of modern culture..

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast101 View Post
    She is 18 or over, not a minor and as for being slow? well maybe certain dancers in here have been a bit "slow" about finally figuring out that make out style kissing is going on all the place in clubs, and kissing for some girls just isn't a big deal. Of course 19 year olds are too young in my opinion for such things, because its true 19 yr olds are very different than 22 year olds, but I wouldn't assume she is slow. Girls of her generation often start having sex in middle school, which is sad, but it was the end stage (one can hope) of the 30 yr sex revolution starting circa 1965. and its apparently hit a wall because you just cannot go any lower, unless the pervs take total control of modern culture..
    1. Being a minor is a matter of law, not biology. The law is flawed in that it defines some children as adults and provides justification for pedophiles to act on their urges.

    2. I will not discuss kissing in clubs with you anymore. It's like talking to a very stupid brick wall.
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    Ok, no need to debate it further, but admit you were wrong, and I will drop by your club, and kiss you, and not charge you a nickel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    I don't think it's ok for 18 year old girls to have customers of any age. They should not be stripping.



    You don't get to decide when a person becomes an adult, and neither do the lawmakers. Mother nature makes that decision. Human brains do not finish developing until the early twenties. Teenagers are not capable of making rational decisions. It's science, brah.
    Your argument doesn't sound very scientific to me. Just because her brain hasn't stopped devoping doesn't mean she can't use it at all. By age 19, it must be a long way to being fully developed. The worst years are duiring puberty. Are you saying that one is not an adult until age 25?

    Just because I'm curious, how young is too young for you? 13? 8?
    We are talking about a 19-yo, way above 8 and 13 yrs. I can't generalise about how young is "too young". I can say I am generally only attracted to girls 18 and over.

    We have had this topic before and it was a total wreck. Ironically it was begun by a stripper declaring her belief that the older men get the more they like to screw underage girls. Then customers who responded and discussed it were accused of pedophilia by a number of other strippers.
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    we are all perverts in the SC in my opinion. Hes a pervert, you're a pervert, I'm a pervert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast101 View Post
    Ok, no need to debate it further, but admit you were wrong, and I will drop by your club, and kiss you, and not charge you a nickel..
    Shame this isn't real life because that is something that a woman should slap the shit out of a man for saying.


    You should be ashamed. Pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    Your argument doesn't sound very scientific to me. Just because her brain hasn't stopped devoping doesn't mean she can't use it at all. By age 19, it must be a long way to being fully developed. The worst years are duiring puberty. Are you saying that one is not an adult until age 25?
    If I remember correctly, then it isn't until between 21 and 23 that the human brain has finished making all the connections necessary for a person to make rational decisions. That would be when one becomes an adult.

    The idea that anyone thinks it's ok for a 40 year old man to mess around with a 19 year old girl is just heart breaking. There's a reason why we don't call them 19 year old women.

    Anyway, I don't expect to change anyone's mind here. It's like arguing about religion. Logic is no match for faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    If I remember correctly, then it isn't until between 21 and 23 that the human brain has finished making all the connections necessary for a person to make rational decisions. That would be when one becomes an adult.

    The idea that anyone thinks it's ok for a 40 year old man to mess around with a 19 year old girl is just heart breaking. There's a reason why we don't call them 19 year old women.

    Anyway, I don't expect to change anyone's mind here. It's like arguing about religion. Logic is no match for faith.
    23 and 25, but I am so on Team Chris for this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    If I remember correctly, then it isn't until between 21 and 23 that the human brain has finished making all the connections necessary for a person to make rational decisions. That would be when one becomes an adult.
    I still don't think that's a sound conclusion. Many people aren't rational their whole lives, not just until their connections are finished. I know plenty of rational people under 19. I've met rational 8-yo's. A lot of things come into it other than biology.

    The idea that anyone thinks it's ok for a 40 year old man to mess around with a 19 year old girl is just heart breaking. There's a reason why we don't call them 19 year old women.

    Anyway, I don't expect to change anyone's mind here. It's like arguing about religion. Logic is no match for faith.
    I didn't say it's okay for 40 yo men to mess around with 19 yo girls as a matter of routine. It probably isn't okay. All I object to is someone saying it is "unacceptable", like there is an absolute rule against it for all instances. That's a stupid rule to make. A twenty year age gap is not an unbreachable barrier to sexual relations and I don't agree that 19 yo's are children.
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    I'll try to respond to various things, forgive me if I forget something.

    19 isn't a "child". Maybe she's not completely an adult, but she's far from a "child". All the personal examples from my own life show otherwise. I was living on my own at 17. My mom got married at 18. My sister got married at 18. Hell, my aunt got married at 15. As long as the law (based on what society says an "adult" is) has the age of consent at 18, that's good enough for me. I'm not a neuropsychologist, and no one on this board is either. If you are, speak up.

    I'm not a RIL. I was, once, years ago, and it will only happen once. I learned my lesson. I'm a regular seeking explanation for different behavior than I've gotten from any other stripper I've seen. Behavior like, we're in a secluded corner of the club, she orders a coffee drink with a ton of whipped cream, she puts a little cream on her nipple and has me lick it off. Say "ewww" all you want, that'll bring a guy back spending more. (Speaking of spending, about $100 a trip, all stage money plus a couple of dances, no "extra" money for time or extras.)

    But, the girl does not have the mental match-up for me to fall in love with, and yes, the age gap is a large part of that. It would be the rare mature 19-year-old, indeed, for me to fall in love with. I haven't met one yet, in fact.

    How hot is she? Always eye of the beholder. She's a 10 in body if you like a tall, slim, perfect skin B-cup type with a perfectly formed, still-tight pussy. (Sorry, just being blunt). About an 8 in face, not particularly beautiful, but still attractive. Not the hottest dancer I've ever seen, but certainly in the top 10.

    However, the largest attraction is her background, that she could literally be the "girl next door" in my neighborhood. I'm surprised no one has picked up on this, as I think about it, it is more and more the largest factor creating my attraction.

    Fucking the bouncer...yeah huge red flag. She has the game to do all these things with me, but not enough game yet to know what NOT to do. Speaking of the bouncer, he must be some kind of super-stud. I was sitting with my girl and another stripper, the HOTTEST girl in the club, this other girl said she'd fucked him even before she started working there. Also talked about his huge dick. Talk about TMI, but I guess that goes along with being a club regular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Shes young and stupid, you don't need to be "ghetto" or drug addicted to suffer from that. You on the other hand are old and stupid and that's far less forgivable.
    Well - she may be stupid - but not THAT stupid. She's bright enough to know that if she pays a 40 year old club regular enough attention - he'll spend his money on her - not the others.

    So - yes - she likes you. For your money.

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    Actually, in the few years I've been doing this, I've almost always been just a T&A consumer and a good, no-strings-attached customer. Remember, I said I've had dances from hundreds of girls, and this is only the 2nd girl where it seems like bells are going off and "fuck, is something more going on here?" (No, the first one was not the first kisser -- different girl).

    I don't go looking for this...usually, I'm in and out and happy, but this chick just seems different. I'm thinking it's a socioeconomic thing, she works (her 2nd job), literally at my corner restaurant (no, I haven't gone in there looking for her), grew up in my neighborhood, she could quite literally be the "girl next door". I think that explains a lot of this. As much fun as I might have with a hot-bodied latina from the hood, I'm just never gonna connect with her on that "you're like me" level.
    Don't creep her out by focusing on this. I always did the upscale stripper thing (my bread and butter was rich businessmen in their 40's-60's), and since I'm educated and worked as first a researcher then an accountant while dancing...well I got more of the obsessive stalker types. It doesn't matter that she's not a hood-rat. Many of us aren't. You'll still scare the crap outta her if you get obsessive. Sadly, the rougher girls seem to deal with that kinda thing better, although from what I've seen they get it much less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjas View Post
    Don't creep her out by focusing on this. I always did the upscale stripper thing (my bread and butter was rich businessmen in their 40's-60's), and since I'm educated and worked as first a researcher then an accountant while dancing...well I got more of the obsessive stalker types. It doesn't matter that she's not a hood-rat. Many of us aren't. You'll still scare the crap outta her if you get obsessive. Sadly, the rougher girls seem to deal with that kinda thing better, although from what I've seen they get it much less.
    So you're saying don't be a creepy, obsessive stalker. Hm, I'll have to think about that one, it was the direction I was planning to go.

    But if you're saying it won't work......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    19 isn't a "child". Maybe she's not completely an adult, but she's far from a "child". All the personal examples from my own life show otherwise. I was living on my own at 17. My mom got married at 18. My sister got married at 18. Hell, my aunt got married at 15. As long as the law (based on what society says an "adult" is) has the age of consent at 18, that's good enough for me. I'm not a neuropsychologist, and no one on this board is either. If you are, speak up.
    To get married is not a rational decision.

    And you don't know what it takes to dance at a SC so don't pretend it's like getting married or living on your own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I'm a regular seeking explanation for different behavior than I've gotten from any other stripper I've seen. Behavior like, we're in a secluded corner of the club, she orders a coffee drink with a ton of whipped cream, she puts a little cream on her nipple and has me lick it off. Say "ewww" all you want, that'll bring a guy back spending more.
    What's so nonstripper about that?
    Seems like a typical piece of extra attention to keep you hooked.

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    I was sitting with my girl and another stripper
    She's not your girl. You're getting very sentimentally attached to her for no good reason.


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    But, the girl does not have the mental match-up for me to fall in love with, and yes, the age gap is a large part of that. It would be the rare mature 19-year-old, indeed, for me to fall in love with. I haven't met one yet, in fact.
    To me it looks like she's outsmarting you. Even though her brain is not fully developed yet.

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    Shame this isn't real life because that is something that a woman should slap the shit out of a man for saying.


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    man you are in denial, this has RIL written all over it. Watch out you could be RIJ if it turns out she is really 15.

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    but otherwise an interesting thread and an interesting set of facts, but it has a number of classic piss-off- SW dancer issues including 1. kissing 2. a borderline underage dancer 3. an RIL factor at some level, which to most dancers (except those explicitly working the guy for big dollars)- is a "creepy thing"

    you've violated many unwritten rules, and probably should also be reported to Gloria Steinem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast101 View Post
    bla... RIL... bla bla... RIJ... bla
    I'm not familiar with this, what does it mean? (RIL and RIJ)

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    Mediocrity, but you however have been reported to Sean Connery, who once threatened to give MoneyPenny "the goooodd slap she deserves" but has since became a crusader against such violence.

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    "regular in love"

    "regular in jail"

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    Oh that was just too obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    I still don't think that's a sound conclusion. Many people aren't rational their whole lives, not just until their connections are finished. I know plenty of rational people under 19. I've met rational 8-yo's. A lot of things come into it other than biology.
    What comes into it other than biology? If a person's brain is incapable of making rational decisions, then how will that person make rational decisions?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    I didn't say it's okay for 40 yo men to mess around with 19 yo girls as a matter of routine. It probably isn't okay. All I object to is someone saying it is "unacceptable", like there is an absolute rule against it for all instances. That's a stupid rule to make. A twenty year age gap is not an unbreachable barrier to sexual relations and...
    Sure, I can't say that nowhere in the history of time and space has it ever been ok for a 40 year old to mess around with a 19 year old. If the 40 year old were developmentally challenged and the 19 year old had a bionic brain, then maybe it would be okay. There are always exceptions to the rule; however, the rule is: 40 year olds should not mess around with 19 year olds.

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    I don't agree that 19 yo's are children.
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