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    ^^^ I think you are very helpful.

    I have a friend who is getting ready to spend $50K on her website. I think it's a lot, but for that sort of money I expect to see a really awesome site.

    Personally, if it were me and you know that you want to be in this for the long haul, I'd consider the website and investment in your future and look at affiliate programs until you have a big enough name to attract enough members on your own.
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    i appreciate everyones advice. thank you, you've all offered me bits and pieces to feel confidant and comfortable about this! ay yi yi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    ^^^ I think you are very helpful.

    I have a friend who is getting ready to spend $50K on her website. I think it's a lot, but for that sort of money I expect to see a really awesome site.

    Personally, if it were me and you know that you want to be in this for the long haul, I'd consider the website and investment in your future and look at affiliate programs until you have a big enough name to attract enough members on your own.
    Why anyone would spend 50k on a site is mind blowing. I mean there's so much you can do with technology lol. I guess she has 50k to throw away. There is a very small difference between a site that costs 10k and one that costs 50k. It's really not that great of a business decision. Especially if your friend is trying to get a solo adult site up and running. Anyone can say they're the best at something and talk you into paying x amount of money right.. but 50k? I hope she's a millionaire within the first 6 months of the site going live... i mean really.

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    i appreciate everyones advice. thank you, you've all offered me bits and pieces to feel confidant and comfortable about this! ay yi yi
    Good luck girl, Let me know how it goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake635 View Post
    how do you create a members only area after customers purchase a subscription?
    and how do you create a members only webcam show on your website?
    anyone know of any websites that you can pay to help you do this?
    Ask the people that built your site, they can do that.
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    Hey love, here is a link to a web design company that I can personally recommend for creating your own site for you:



    I haven't followed through on having them create my site, but went through talks with them about it. They have positive referrals all over the internet and ModelMayhem.com and have designed ALOT of model and photographer's websites that I know/have worked with. They now also have an "adult model" package for your website and an option where you can add on the ability to conduct live web shows, members area, a store, etc.

    Everyone I talk to who has had their site designed by RT is really happy with their timeliness and their work. Good luck and hopefully this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbrielle View Post
    Hey love, here is a link to a web design company that I can personally recommend for creating your own site for you:



    I haven't followed through on having them create my site, but went through talks with them about it. They have positive referrals all over the internet and ModelMayhem.com and have designed ALOT of model and photographer's websites that I know/have worked with. They now also have an "adult model" package for your website and an option where you can add on the ability to conduct live web shows, members area, a store, etc.

    Everyone I talk to who has had their site designed by RT is really happy with their timeliness and their work. Good luck and hopefully this helps!
    ^ I checked them out months ago. Great company. I've heard only good things so far..

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    Quote Originally Posted by malayataylor View Post
    Why anyone would spend 50k on a site is mind blowing. I mean there's so much you can do with technology lol. I guess she has 50k to throw away. There is a very small difference between a site that costs 10k and one that costs 50k. It's really not that great of a business decision. Especially if your friend is trying to get a solo adult site up and running. Anyone can say they're the best at something and talk you into paying x amount of money right.. but 50k? I hope she's a millionaire within the first 6 months of the site going live... i mean really.
    She's a total sugar baby and knows "people"... so I believe she'll probably get something really good out of it. By that I mean very high technology, probably a lot of stuff that includes phone apps, web subscriptions and affiliate content. I think she's planning to host multiple girls under her... sort of like a Club Jenna deal.
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    ^ Makes alot of sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malayataylor View Post
    ^ I checked them out months ago. Great company. I've heard only good things so far..
    It's good to hear that you like them as well. I never consider my experience with a company the final say, so if you liked them as well then I consider that a great sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbrielle View Post
    It's good to hear that you like them as well. I never consider my experience with a company the final say, so if you liked them as well then I consider that a great sign.
    How is your experience with them so far? Will they be shooting the pics and generating revenue from your site or are they just building the site for you? Either way, Go for it! They're very reliable from what I've heard.. though I hate that they don't have a contact number ya know?

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    There is no law that says you HAVE to show your name and personal address to the whole world. All of the reasons you listed about are rare situations

    any website that offers live video / webcam is in danger of a Section 2257 violation in this regard ... because there is no way to 'advance record' Section 2257 information ( with or without a section 2257 'front' service ) for video content that is newly produced from one second to the next.

    Hopefully PornLaw can explain this much better than I can, if he hasn't been 'driven off' altogether. It boils down to exactly who is considered to be the 'producer' from a legal standpoint ... in the case of 50/50 webcam hosting sites the host is the 'producer' while the webcam girl is a paid 'performer', but where an 'amateur' site is concerned ( whether or not site creation and/or technical web hosting are farmed out ) the 'amateur' is the producer as well as the performer. Section 2257 requirements and penalties apply to the producer. From PornLaw's girlfriend's own website ...

    (snip)"Live Shows, Videos & Photos and Feeds

    The owners and operators of the website are not the primary or secondary producer (as that term is defined in 18 USC section 2257) of certain visual content contained in the website."(snip)

    ... Indeed PornLaw has been very meticulous in establishing a ( non 2257 'front service' based ) legal custodian of records and legal primary / secondary producer of live video material.


    Obviously, not a lot of Section 2257 enforcement has taken place so far in regard to 'amateur' sites ... well, as long as the sites don't flagrantly promote types of content that blatantly attracts enforcement !!! But this does not mean that future enforcement efforts couldn't change policy. In this regard, running an independent 'amateur' webcam versus Section 2257 is a lot like giving high contact private dances in a club ... you can earn good money with very little probability of being busted right up to the point of being busted. However, in the case of a Section 2257 bust, you're talking about being charged with a federal felony 'sex crime'. Even if you aren't convicted, you're still talking about 10's of thousands of dollars in federal court attorney's fees. As I have said before, the Section 2257 requirements for live video streams were the reason that I shut down my own independent website in favor of accepting a 50/50 split with a webcam host ( letting the host take the Section 2257 risk, in addition to the cracked password bandwidth bill risk ). And in my own particular case of also being a licensed Respiratory Therapist, a section 2257 charge ( whether or not a guilty verdict was ever forthcoming ) would virtually guarantee that I could never work in that field again - although virtually every straight job application also includes a wonderful question 'have you ever been charged with a felony ?"


    However, you are correct in regard to pics and pre-recorded videos. Unfortunately, 'amateur' websites with only pics and pre-recorded videos usually have beaucoup problems attempting to sell memberships. IMHO in the past couple of years it is almost mandatory for any profitable adult website to offer interactive video ... and where 'amateur' websites are concerned it is also increasingly necessary to offer 'free sample' interactive video before paying customers will open their wallets. Doing so opens a 'Pandora's Box' of potential Section 2257 issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Hopefully PornLaw can explain this much better than I can, if he hasn't been 'driven off' altogether. It boils down to exactly who is considered to be the 'producer' from a legal standpoint ... in the case of 50/50 webcam hosting sites the host is the 'producer' while the webcam girl is a paid 'performer', but where an 'amateur' site is concerned ( whether or not site creation and/or technical web hosting are farmed out ) the 'amateur' is the producer as well as the performer.
    You are 100% correct in your analysis.

    According to the new 2257 regs, there is no difference now between primary and secondary producers. All must maintain the same records.

    Secondary producers are those that take vids/pics from other producers and put that content on their site.

    If you do have your own site, which means that you have control over the content and domain name, ie you upload content to your servers, then you must have maintain the records or have a third party service like www.2257Safe.com maintain those records.

    Failure to do so can result in imprisonment and fines.

    For the amateur - this also means that as long as they are one producing and uploading the content to their own sites -- including live cam shows then they need to have the records. If they are working for another site - such as ImLive.com - then ImLive.com needs to keep the records.

    Be aware that solo girl sites, even where its only the owner of the site performing, also need to keep records for every performance. And they need to categorize those records properly for every performance. Again failure to so can result in imprisonment and fines.

    If the amateur has a blog site - such as thumbblogger then they would also be considered the producer and need to maintain the records.

    Finally, the site owner has to provide their home address on the 2257 statement unless they have an office where the records are stored AND that is their primary business address. You cannot use email addresses or PO Boxes on your 2257 statement. If you do so, again, that is a violation that can lead to imprisonment and fines.

    2257 is a two part law - labeling and record keeping. Failure to do either properly is a violation.

    Section 2257 requirements and penalties apply to the producer.
    Obviously, not a lot of Section 2257 enforcement has taken place so far in regard to 'amateur' sites ... well, as long as the sites don't flagrantly promote types of content that blatantly attracts enforcement !!! But this does not mean that future enforcement efforts couldn't change policy. In this regard, running an independent 'amateur' webcam versus Section 2257 is a lot like giving high contact private dances in a club ... you can earn good money with very little probability of being busted right up to the point of being busted. However, in the case of a Section 2257 bust, you're talking about being charged with a federal felony 'sex crime'. Even if you aren't convicted, you're still talking about 10's of thousands of dollars in federal court attorney's fees. As I have said before, the Section 2257 requirements for live video streams were the reason that I shut down my own independent website in favor of accepting a 50/50 split with a webcam host ( letting the host take the Section 2257 risk, in addition to the cracked password bandwidth bill risk ). And in my own particular case of also being a licensed Respiratory Therapist, a section 2257 charge ( whether or not a guilty verdict was ever forthcoming ) would virtually guarantee that I could never work in that field again - although virtually every straight job application also includes a wonderful question 'have you ever been charged with a felony ?"
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    Again you are 100% correct in your analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pornlaw View Post
    You are 100% correct in your analysis.

    According to the new 2257 regs, there is no difference now between primary and secondary producers. All must maintain the same records.

    Secondary producers are those that take vids/pics from other producers and put that content on their site.

    If you do have your own site, which means that you have control over the content and domain name, ie you upload content to your servers, then you must have maintain the records or have a third party service like www.2257Safe.com maintain those records.

    Failure to do so can result in imprisonment and fines.

    For the amateur - this also means that as long as they are one producing and uploading the content to their own sites -- including live cam shows then they need to have the records. If they are working for another site - such as ImLive.com - then ImLive.com needs to keep the records.

    Be aware that solo girl sites, even where its only the owner of the site performing, also need to keep records for every performance. And they need to categorize those records properly for every performance. Again failure to so can result in imprisonment and fines.

    If the amateur has a blog site - such as thumbblogger then they would also be considered the producer and need to maintain the records.

    Finally, the site owner has to provide their home address on the 2257 statement unless they have an office where the records are stored AND that is their primary business address. You cannot use email addresses or PO Boxes on your 2257 statement. If you do so, again, that is a violation that can lead to imprisonment and fines.

    2257 is a two part law - labeling and record keeping. Failure to do either properly is a violation.



    Again you are 100% correct in your analysis.

    How do we keep records of performances? What type of info needs to be documented? How are we supposed to organize it??
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