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    Don't usually comment on such things.....What does he have to apologize for? He's an athlete, not a politician where his judgments can impact others (even though most politicians are screwing everything that moves...) so I can't figure why he, or others, apologize to the public like that. Just once I would like someone like him to walk up the mic and say "It's between me and my wife and none of your damn business. I hit golf balls for a living, nothing more, nothing less. See you all on the golf course" and walk away.

    The only "mistake" Tiger made was getting married. However, philandering men of the wealthy/famous variety are par for the course (excuse the pun) with such men, and always have been and always will be.

    News flash: wealthy/famous men, due to the nature of the male species, given easy access to sex, will more often then not, take advantage of it.

    People really need to (1) get a life and (2) stop looking to athletes as examples of good moral/ethical behavior.

    Only lesson here is, the same old lesson: if you are going to use your fame/wealth to bang everything that moves, DON'T get married.

    Sorry for the rant. :o

    PS, the above is a rhetorical question. The reason he/they have to go on public TV and eat humble pie is about $$$. If you don't go on TV and talk about what a horrible person you are, how you made terrible mistakes, yada yada, and so forth, they lose lose contracts/endorsements if they don't get their PR machine back up and running.As usual, comes down to good old money.
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    Eh, I see him as having made a few more mistakes than that - and it being between him, his wife, his other women, and his sponsors.

    1. Getting married.
    2. Not letting his wife know years in advance what he was like.
    3. Cultivating a clean cut image.
    4. Sleeping with loudmouthed sluts.

    Number 3 is especially important. Plenty of sports celebrities have a bad boy image and their sponsors use that - Woods had a wholesome image and he KNEW it. He could have stopped that.

    If you want to be a player, don't market yourself as something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Eh, I see him as having made a few more mistakes than that - and it being between him, his wife, his other women, and his sponsors.

    1. Getting married.
    2. Not letting his wife know years in advance what he was like.
    3. Cultivating a clean cut image.
    4. Sleeping with loudmouthed sluts.

    Number 3 is especially important. Plenty of sports celebrities have a bad boy image and their sponsors use that - Woods had a wholesome image and he KNEW it. He could have stopped that.

    If you want to be a player, don't market yourself as something else.
    Not only didn't he stop it, he gave an interview to the media extolling his dedication as a family man. Complete, utter bullshit, as we now know.

    No doubt this squeaky clean image, stretched tight enough to burst over the reeking bullshitter underneath, has helped him rake in all those untold millions of dollars in endorsements, etc. I won't drink that fucking Tiger Gatorade, that's for sure. I won't watch his apology or a YouTube of it, I might vomit.
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    He broke the morality clause in the contracts with his sponsors (the people that pay him the big bucks).

    When a person places his/her image in the hands of others to manipulate, things of this nature can certainly be the result.

    Besides, the vast majority of Americans believe that men are obligated to remain faithful to their wives, you know, for richer and for poorer, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    He broke solemn promises to so many people that it is a horrible tragedy. It isn't about just Tiger as a person, but a social comentary on our society on the whole that someone like Tiger Woods could lie to so many times and to not just his wife but also his sponsors and his fans.

    He's nothing but a big jerk, and he acted like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Eh, I see him as having made a few more mistakes than that - and it being between him, his wife, his other women, and his sponsors.

    1. Getting married.
    2. Not letting his wife know years in advance what he was like.
    3. Cultivating a clean cut image.
    4. Sleeping with loudmouthed sluts.

    Number 3 is especially important. Plenty of sports celebrities have a bad boy image and their sponsors use that - Woods had a wholesome image and he KNEW it. He could have stopped that.

    If you want to be a player, don't market yourself as something else.
    He hit golf balls. Never seemed anything more or less then that for me. His image, so to speak, was a manufactured by the companies paying endorsements, agents, etc. Athletes, no matter how they appear in ads, are not role models.

    If he wants to "apologize" to save his contracts and "image" that's his business I guess, but it's just another example of PC BS to me and an example of hero worship of athletes gone bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    He hit golf balls. Never seemed anything more or less then that for me. His image, so to speak, was a manufactured by the companies paying endorsements, agents, etc. Athletes, no matter how they appear in ads, are not role models.

    If he wants to "apologize" to save his contracts and "image" that's his business I guess, but it's just another example of PC BS to me and an example of hero worship of athletes gone bad.
    Maybe you should have paid more attention if that's all you saw - as Djoser rightly states above, he actively cultivated a particular image. He went out of his way to have a clean cut image, himself. Companies work with what they're given - if he was a "bad boy", they'd work with that. Happens all the time with athletes. Make them look edgy, make them look wholesome - they both turn a profit, but it binds the athlete in question to a certain type of behaviour.

    Right now he's saving face because he broke contracts, and pissed off the people that pay his wages. His wife could also take half. Sure, we should not look up to strangers as a source of moral guidance, but people, and I refer to Woods only as a person, shouldn't try to bullshit other people on such a large scale and think they can get away with it. I personally am quite amused and hope Elin takes the house and kids. Or hell, just the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    He hit golf balls. Never seemed anything more or less then that for me. His image, so to speak, was a manufactured by the companies paying endorsements, agents, etc. Athletes, no matter how they appear in ads, are not role models.

    If he wants to "apologize" to save his contracts and "image" that's his business I guess, but it's just another example of PC BS to me and an example of hero worship of athletes gone bad.
    Athletes are not only without question role models, they are probably the most powerful role models out there, other than possibly a few actors and rock/rap stars.

    It starts early on, as early as elementary school, and grows exponentially as the education levels progress. Such pleasures as compulsory pep rallies in high school ensure that the budding young consumers are nurtured properly so that they will be glued to their TVs, cheering on 'their' teams, consisting of guys from other cities and states. Brought to you by your commercial sponsors.

    Arrogance, entitlement, and a feeling that rules don't apply to them are all encouraged by the educational system as well.

    *Who might be better off emulating academic and business personalities, so they could possibly rely on more than skill at tossing balls around or hitting them with sticks to escape their socioeconomic confinement. But fat chance of that, with today's media frenzy for the sports icons.
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    I agree with OP but I don't necessarily make judgments on his mistakes, I think those are for him to decide. I don't really know much about his personal life to make those calls for him. But yes I agree he doesn't owe anyone an apology except for his wife and his family, and that it all comes down to money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Athletes are not only without question role models, they are probably the most powerful role models out there, other than possibly a few actors and rock/rap stars.
    Which is a failure of society and it's values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    It starts early on, as early as elementary school, and grows exponentially as the education levels progress. Such pleasures as compulsory pep rallies in high school ensure that the budding young consumers are nurtured properly so that they will be glued to their TVs, cheering on 'their' teams, consisting of guys from other cities and states. Brought to you by your commercial sponsors.

    Arrogance, entitlement, and a feeling that rules don't apply to them are all encouraged by the educational system as well.

    *Who might be better off emulating academic and business personalities, so they could possibly rely on more than skill at tossing balls around or hitting them with sticks to escape their socioeconomic confinement. But fat chance of that, with today's media frenzy for the sports icons.
    Agreed on all, and well said. That's "our" failing however as a society. I have never seen any athlete as anything beyond being good at their sport. Maybe I have just been around too many athletes, or wealthy/famous people's who had images were nothing at all like their private lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadelady View Post
    I agree with OP but I don't necessarily make judgments on his mistakes, I think those are for him to decide. I don't really know much about his personal life to make those calls for him. But yes I agree he doesn't owe anyone an apology except for his wife and his family, and that it all comes down to money.
    Note I put the word mistake in quotes for the reasons you make above. Even that's not our business per se, but had he not been married, his inability to keep his dong in his pants would not be causing him so much trouble.
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    The thing I don't get is why this is such HUGE news...WGAF? It should be a tabloid story, not headlining CNN and the nightly news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Eh, I see him as having made a few more mistakes than that - and it being between him, his wife, his other women, and his sponsors.

    1. Getting married.
    2. Not letting his wife know years in advance what he was like.
    3. Cultivating a clean cut image.
    4. Sleeping with loudmouthed sluts.

    Number 3 is especially important. Plenty of sports celebrities have a bad boy image and their sponsors use that - Woods had a wholesome image and he KNEW it. He could have stopped that.

    If you want to be a player, don't market yourself as something else.
    5. Having unprotected sex with sluts.
    6. Having unprotected sex with his wife after wards.
    7. Allowing sluts to have future paternity claims.
    8. Hanging out with man-whores Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.
    9. Negating million dollar endorsement deals by violating the moral clause.
    10. Not remembering Magic Johnson's "I have AIDS press conference."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigan View Post
    5. Having unprotected sex with sluts.
    6. Having unprotected sex with his wife after wards.
    7. Allowing sluts to have future paternity claims.
    8. Hanging out with man-whores Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.
    9. Negating million dollar endorsement deals by violating the moral clause.
    10. Not remembering Magic Johnson's "I have AIDS press conference."
    Thank you for adding to my list, I dunno how I ever forgot those! <3
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    Don't usually comment on such things.....What does he have to apologize for? He's an athlete, not a politician where his judgments can impact others (even though most politicians are screwing everything that moves...) so I can't figure why he, or others, apologize to the public like that.
    Bullshit, Tiger Woods doesn't make his living from playing golf he makes his living from that nike swoosh on his hat and that gatorade cup in his hand, aka his IMAGE. Its his image that took a large hit when his cheating came to light and playing golf is not enough to fix it. That apology wasn't for the public, it was for his sponsors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Bullshit, Tiger Woods doesn't make his living from playing golf
    Sure he does.

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    he makes his living from that nike swoosh on his hat and that gatorade cup in his hand, aka his IMAGE. Its his image that took a large hit when his cheating came to light and playing golf is not enough to fix it.
    I don't agree. He may either need to alter his (fabricated) image into something else, but being the worlds best at golf, short of killing someone, will = sponsorship $$$ one way or another.

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    That apology wasn't for the public, it was for his sponsors.

    To make the public happy so they continue to purchase said sponsors shit. Same deal. He's a fabricated product, nothing more, nothing less. The "product" was exposed as yet another wealthy famous guy who is not the golden boy his mass produced image suggests. Tiger does make his living from playing golf, as he would not have the sponsors if he was not the worlds best golfer. His income may be derived from sponsorships, but he makes his living playing golf. If he comes back and continues to be the worlds best at waking small balls with sticks, he will have no problems getting other sponsors. No golf, not sponsors = thus he makes his living by playing golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Sure he does.



    I don't agree. He may either need to alter his (fabricated) image into something else, but being the worlds best at golf, short of killing someone, will = sponsorship $$$ one way or another.




    To make the public happy so they continue to purchase said sponsors shit. Same deal. He's a fabricated product, nothing more, nothing less. The "product" was exposed as yet another wealthy famous guy who is not the golden boy his mass produced image suggests. Tiger does make his living from playing golf, as he would not have the sponsors if he was not the worlds best golfer. His income may be derived from sponsorships, but he makes his living playing golf. If he comes back and continues to be the worlds best at waking small balls with sticks, he will have no problems getting other sponsors. No golf, not sponsors = thus he makes his living by playing golf.
    You ever worked in marketing? People buy a brand, because it is, in this case, associated with a sports celebrity they like. Not many people like Tiger Woods at the moment. To associate a brand with a person people dislike regardless of their skill, is bad for business. So no, he won't have "no problems" getting other sponsors of the same magnitude, because he's now a liability to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    You ever worked in marketing?
    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    People buy a brand, because it is, in this case, associated with a sports celebrity they like. Not many people like Tiger Woods at the moment. To associate a brand with a person people dislike regardless of their skill, is bad for business. So no, he won't have "no problems" getting other sponsors of the same magnitude, because he's now a liability to them.
    People have very short memories and the spin doctors will take care of is image problems. They are hard at work as we speak developing that very strategy. End of the day, Tiger simply needs to maintain his status as a golfer and the $$$ will follow. Whether his "brand" gets altered to something different, or they work the "ex sex addict become super family guy" angle remains to be seen.

    With soldiers dying, the economy in the toilet, etc, etc, I don't give a damn what he does, who he slept with, how many he slept with, and would have liked to see some nads from him, vs the keep the sponsors/public happy "apology" given. End of the day, sponsors need him just as much as he needs them. He blinked first... I would have had more respect for him had he actually stepped up to the plate and told everyone to blow it out their a$$, but people of such character don't exist anymore in the public domain. Actually, I thought Dave Letterman did the best job of it of anyone in quite a while as he left the media no real room to run with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    You ever worked in marketing? People buy a brand, because it is, in this case, associated with a sports celebrity they like. Not many people like Tiger Woods at the moment. To associate a brand with a person people dislike regardless of their skill, is bad for business. So no, he won't have "no problems" getting other sponsors of the same magnitude, because he's now a liability to them.
    Examples:

    A clothing company once offered baseball player Mark McGuire $2 million just to wear their batting glove. Today, because of the stain that the steroid scandal put on him, he can't get 2 cents to promote anything.

    Boxer Ali was dropped by the William Morris Agency the week of his refusal to enter the draft for the Vietnam War. He couldn't get booked promoting a six year-old kid's lemonade stand. 10 years later, when the mood of Madison's Avenue's core target/public shifted and Ali became champion again, Coke-a-Cola and Pepsi both offered Ali a ton of money to do commercials but he turned them both down because soda pop is bad for the teeth and he was getting $4-12 million a fight in 1970s dollars.

    Boxer Mike Tyson was doing Pepsi commercials and people accepted his image of being a brute UNTIL the rape charges came. Then everybody dropped him.

    Only TWO PERCENT of Michael Jordan's $400 million plus income came from playing basketball. 98 percent came from endorsement deals.

    There was a boxer who was about to sign a multi-million dollar deal with stock options to promote the Fila sneakers. The boxer violated the moral clause of the contract by getting into a bar fight and the Fila people signed basketball player Grant Hill (with his squeaky clean image) instead. Hill went on to make $47 million in the first 18 months of doing Fila ads... more than he made playing for the Detroit Pistons.

    Tiger Woods, Chris Brown and Isaiah Thomas made $$$ based on their squeaky clean images that companies wanted to associate themselves with and they thought would be without Paris Hilton-Britney Spears type of drama/scandals that reflected negatively on the companies' image.

    Remember the Micheal Jordan "Be Like Mike" ads?

    "Tiger Woods" is a brand with the subconscious message of "I'm the best at what I do and I'm also a perfect human being and if you buy this product you can be like me."

    I've never been star struck and never will be. These people, Woods, Jordan, Paris Hilton, and whoever, they all bleed, shit and have the same destination (the grave) as all of us. It's an insult to think I'm going to buy something or think favorably of it because Tiger Woods or Micheal Phelps (a person who ruined his marketability before it even got started) is getting paid to pimp the product.

    When I see a celebrity pimping a product I automatically think BULLSHIT.

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    Am I the only stripper on the board who has had the experience of strangers telling my husband to dump me because I'm a "dirty fucking stripper"?

    I'm sure as hell not going to do that shit to somebody else. His marriage is none of my damn business. People are so quick to jump all over famous strangers for not living up to some random individuals personal standards. I know how that feels, I won't do it to another human being.

    Tiger's dick is not my concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post

    People really need to (1) get a life and (2) stop looking to athletes as examples of good moral/ethical behavior.
    That would be a lot easier if some athletes didn't insist on doing that themselves...

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    Sorry but you have it backwards. Celebrities and their agents cultivate those squeaky clean images in order to attract high price endorsements.
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    Woods is reaping what he sowed. I think he is nothing more than a self centered jerk and feel more sorry for his wife and kids.
    The news media is just reporting The Good, The Bad and The Ugly that he created.

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    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
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    I wonder if his wife read that news? I hear she still has a club with his name on it.

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    There is no way Elin just found out about this shit now... c'mon people. She was turning a blind eye. She's just pissed cause now the whole world knows which makes her look like a fool. Why would they stay together? Seriously. She is never ever going to forgive him. His life is going to become a living hell. I don't really care what he did. It was stupid, but I really can't judge anyone. I think it is ridiculous that the porn start is asking him for an apology. If I was Elin I would ring her and tell her to go get fucked in the ass by 10 guys. If you are stupid enough to believe that Tiger woods would fall in love with you, than you need a serious reality check. He is just lucky that when it comes to his sponsors there is not really any other golfer that could take his place.

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