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    I was at a nightclub the other night and some people were getting arrested downstairs and the police pepper sprayed them and it filled the entire venue!! People were running to the balcony (burst the doors open) to try to get fresh air. People were almost hanging over the balcony coughing and trying to breath in fresh air.

    I felt like I was choking and couldn't breath. I also nearly threw up. Some people were throwing up, others had burning eyes.

    I think it's pretty reckless of the police to do that in such a crowded club with hundreds of people. Surely they could subdue the people without doing that.

    It was not nice.
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    Are cops in Australia like cops in the US? Macho, power-trip types?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Surely they could subdue the people without doing that.
    Did you see what actually happened? Subdue how, club to the head? Taser? Gun shot? Karate chop? Pepper spray is often their best option when attempting to not cause physical harm to the person or the officer. They don't enjoy it either, as it gets on them too. So, it may have been their decision it was the best option given the circumstances, or, as you say, the wrong response to the circumstance.

    So what actually happened?
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    I didn't see what happened as it was downstairs. I would think a taser would be better because at least it doesnt affect a club full of innocent bystanders.

    From what I have seen on tv the cops in the US seem very serious and aggressive. Most Aussie cops are a lot more laid back (although not as laid back as UK cops).
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    ...meh this actually happened to me my senior year in HIGH school during lunchtime... Our school "police officer" deemed it necessary to pepper spray a 90lb girl(he was more than capable to hand cuff her) for ...idk what. Mouthing off or something. Yeah... mean while everyone had to vacate cough up a lung.... Stupid. Sorry you had to go through that, and I'm sure it ruined your night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I didn't see what happened as it was downstairs. I would think a taser would be better because at least it doesnt affect a club full of innocent bystanders.
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    Do Ausi cops carry Tasers?
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    actually i don't even know for sure. i have heard that they do but it might not be true. I know the definately have a handgun and a batten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    actually i don't even know for sure. i have heard that they do but it might not be true. I know the definately have a handgun and a batten.
    Then the taser might not have been an option at all and or an option that didn't make sense under the circumstances. It appears, only "Senior police to carry Taser guns" :

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9da_1186413507

    Don't know if it's been expanded to include additional police since that was put up.
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    I dont go to clubs often and then I go and that happens lol. Not very pleasant!!

    Will would a taser be a good weapon for myself for protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I dont go to clubs often and then I go and that happens lol. Not very pleasant!!
    No, it's not much fun. However, as mentioned, they don't enjoy it much either. I was not there to see if it was warranted, but it's easy to judge what some cop should do when you are not the one having some drunk violent jerk take a swing at you, etc, etc. Not directing that comment at you per se, jut saying it's common for people to second guess/offer an opinion on what the cops "should do" in a given situation when it's not them dealing with it. Pepper spray is a less lethal (note I didn't use the common term "non lethal"...) option, but obviously has its drawbacks like anything else, such as getting all over everything and people.

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    Will would a taser be a good weapon for myself for protection?
    Are they legal for you to own where you are? Better then nothing for sure, and depending on the taser, etc, a possible option, but you would also want to make sure to get good instruction on its use vs buying it (assuming it's legal for you) and just dropping it in your bag and forgetting about it.
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    It's not legal but neither is pepper spray and I've carried that before. Because of recent events I feel victimised (talking here about my ex bf) and felt totally helpless and I don't want to feel like that again.

    I want to take a self defence class or something and I want to carry something that will help me. I'm tiny so without some sort of weapon I don't think I would have much chance of defending myself.
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    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    It's not legal but neither is pepper spray and I've carried that before. Because of recent events I feel victimised (talking here about my ex bf) and felt totally helpless and I don't want to feel like that again.

    I want to take a self defence class or something and I want to carry something that will help me. I'm tiny so without some sort of weapon I don't think I would have much chance of defending myself.
    I wish I could be of more help, but I don't know much about Ausi laws on that issue. I suppose where ever you got the pepper spray might have tasers, but I really don't want to advise you to do anything not legal. Women being victimized by ex's etc is tough topic, one I have my own strong feelings on (1) and there have been "discussions" on how others go about self protection, which usually ends in heated debate (2)

    (1) http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=106247
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    (2) http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ht=gun+control
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    As usual the police overdid it. They are famous for that. And for corruption, sad to say.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    As usual the police overdid it.
    You not being there = having no idea if that's the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    They are famous for that. And for corruption, sad to say.
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    Australian police now have tasers, from what I've read. Not sure which ones do. Very scary, given the misuse that occurs in the US.

    Man, I wouldn't have thought silly shit like filling a crowded place with pepper spray would happen in Melbourne
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    ^^
    I didn't expect it either. Very awful stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Are cops in Australia like cops in the US? Macho, power-trip types?
    Mostly not, at least not in my (admittedly limited) experience. A good percentage are female, for a start. Also I believe our police tend not to be as aggressive across the board. They are likely to give warnings for less serious offences where there are no outstanding warrants, for example. With one exception, I've had excellent experiences with Victoria Police. That said, when I've dealt with them it's been as a victim of crime or in relation to traffic matters. I don't know how they are with serious offenders or their representatives (and tbh I have very little sympathy for violent offenders in any event. Politically incorrect but true). With victims, they're really on the ball.

    As for tasers, not in our state. I think Queensland cops carry them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I dont go to clubs often and then I go and that happens lol. Not very pleasant!!

    Will would a taser be a good weapon for myself for protection?
    I've never seen a taser but have been told they're pretty big and bulky, so might be difficult to whip out when in a compromising situation.

    Also illegal, though I have to say I sympathise with the urge to break that particular law given the rise in violent crime in our city. I do think people without criminal records should be allowed to carry capsicum spray on a self-defence license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    You not being there = having no idea if that's the case.

    Oh brother.
    I am not an apologist for poor tactics and training used by police. It's more common that you might realize, as I was told by my ADA friend.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I am not an apologist for poor tactics and training used by police.

    No, you're a person with ESP who saw it all from afar, and decided that minus knowing anything at all, the police used "poor tactics" for which you are not qualified to comment even had you been there.

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    It's more common that you might realize, as I was told by my ADA friend.
    It's also far more common then you might realize for people to comment on a situation they didn't see, and instead of giving the cops the benefit of the doubt they did the best they could, spew out BS on "poor tactics."
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    ...meh this actually happened to me my senior year in HIGH school during lunchtime... Our school "police officer" deemed it necessary to pepper spray a 90lb girl(he was more than capable to hand cuff her) for ...idk what. Mouthing off or something. Yeah... mean while everyone had to vacate cough up a lung.... Stupid. Sorry you had to go through that, and I'm sure it ruined your night.
    OMG. Just thinking about that got me so pissed off...if some cop did that to one of my girls I would literally put every iota of energy in me for the rest of my life into personally ruining his career and reputation. High school kids, even though many of them look like adults and like to think they're adults, are still just kids. That's child abuse, in my opinion.

    Cops have a tendency to suck when dealing with the general populace. They've had to deal with so many criminals and general assholes that they sometimes have a tendency to treat others like criminals and assholes.

    Plus sometimes the badge makes 'em cocky as hell. But eh. Whaddya gonna do?

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    Cops may carry tasers or stun guns. There's a difference, tasers can be shot out toward someone and stun guns are hand held. They're not too bulky either. Pepper spray can be pretty dangerous too, I have a really bad capsaicin allergy, if I got pepper sprayed, I would probably need to go to a hospital.
    Also, a lot of US cops are crazy. My uncle was one. He quit because he was disgusted at how many coworkers of his beat their wives. And then we're supposed to go to wife beaters about abusive bfs.
    But I will say not all cops are out to harm people, a lot do have good intentions. It's just that when things escalate it's the aggressive guys who pop up and make things worse.
    Good luck with self defense classes! Pressure points are a really good to know, make sure you learn that. It's a good way to hold off people much bigger than you.

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    I came across an article on the internet about police brutality in Australia which I thought may interest some of you.

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    Australia: Fatal Police Brutality and the Insensitivity of State Authorities

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