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    Default Green Jobs and Natural Law

    There is a lot of hope and dreams on green jobs - but until the US gets out from the yoke of globalism, we can watch that kite fly away:



    According to the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University, nearly $2 billion in money from the American Recovery and Investment Act has been spent on wind power. The goal was to further energy independence while creating American jobs. It has done neither.

    Of the money spent, according to the report, nearly 80% has gone to foreign manufacturers of wind turbines.

    There is also a lot of talk about the rights of Americans not being in place when it comes to food, housing, and safety. This has been debated since the beginning and comes under the idea of Natural Law. A person does have a right to food, home, and safety.

    Now whether that right is protected by our society and it's safeguards or degeneration to Mad Max tribes is the question. There are some words that people don't have a right to housing or to food or to doing works. This is wrong - these things are the most basic rights. And it would do many to consider the structure of a society in which one's most basic rights of survival are negated, rejected, and denied.

    What is the tipping point number for this society? What number of people must discover (and finally acknowledge) they have found themselves on the fringe? This country has an incredible amount of denial until the Sheriff comes knocking on the door. At that point, there is no denial that one has become part of the fringe.

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    There is also a lot of talk about the rights of Americans not being in place when it comes to food, housing, and safety
    well, this is the core issue needed to justify perpetual social welfare programs / unemployment benefit extensions, perpetual foreclosure moratoriums / gov't mortgage and rent subsidies, gun control laws etc.

    In terms of Natural Law, Darwin would tell everybody that the human who 'runs too slow' has the inherent right to become a tiger's lunch !


    Of the money spent, according to the report, nearly 80% has gone to foreign manufacturers of wind turbines.
    and of course this report doesn't take into consideration at all the 'secondary effects' of wind power ... i.e. raising electricity prices because of the need for the power grid operator to pay a gas fired power plant to act as 'spinning reserve' to cover for the wind turbines when the wind velocity drops ... conventional businesses and industries becoming less economically competitive because of the higher electricity prices ... US job losses at those conventional businesses and industries far exceeding any new jobs created as the result of the wind generators. A major study of such secondary effects was performed re the Spanish economy, with surprising results.

    (snip)(Bloomberg) -- Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain’s experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide.

    For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.

    U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2010 budget proposal contains about $20 billion in tax incentives for clean-energy programs. In Spain, where wind turbines provided 11 percent of power demand last year, generators earn rates as much as 11 times more for renewable energy compared with burning fossil fuels.

    The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power - - which are charged to consumers in their bills -- translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

    “The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices,” he said in an interview. (snip)

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    Default Re: Green Jobs and Natural Law

    Remember this generalization :

    Money is a store of value. Value is that which is preceived by others. If we as a society decide that a certain thing now has value it didn't have previously, so that people want to accumulate that cewrtain thing, then previous values we believed in will change. Problem is that in a pluralistic society we do not all have the same goals, so some values will get displaced.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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