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    I currently live and dance in Tx. My husband is considering a job in Colorado Springs. First I dance topless, nothing personally against dancing all nude, I'm just too shy to show the kitty - cat. So what clubs and where are they located? I'm willing to drive an hour or so. What is average night? $200 is the minimal after tip outs, I can tolerate In Tx the slow season is summer, what's the slow season there? What are the rules and laws? Contact Level? I've heard that you have to write out a scheldule, true? Any way around it? Any experiences, advice will be greatly appreciated.

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    Most of the dancer's you will find on here have probably danced at PT's Appaloosa. There's a Deja Vu closer to base but I've seen what goes on in their parking lot and I would presume it's an indicator of what goes on inside the club.

    I've never been to TNT's or Babydolls, but they both have a reputation for being more like a "Cheers" and not the best places to work.

    If you want to make decent money it won't be in the Springs... you'll have to drive to Denver and even then the money here isn't the best. Diamond Cabaret, Penthouse & La Boheme get the bigger clients. Most dancers like Shotgun Willies too, probably because of management.

    At any rate, if you live in any of the big cities in Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin), don't expect to make here what you do there. A few years back money here was still pretty good, but it's gone way down. The only girls I know who are still making good money on a regular basis are doing private parties. By the way, Paris's agency operates here... so if you are open to doing parties check with her.
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    I forgot to mention, the laws vary by county, but generally speaking you can not:

    1. Touch specified anatomical areas (what the county defines as the breasts, buttocks, genitals)

    2. Touch the customer's specified anatomical areas

    3. Many clubs in Colorado do not allow you to solicit for drinks, food or anything of monetary value other than dances within the club

    4. You can't hand out your phone number inside the club - it's considered an act of solicitation for prostitution (and probably the most commonly broken rule here)

    5. If you aren't working at a nude club then you need to either fully shave or the clubs want you to wear two g-strings/thongs. A hair sticking out is a $500 fine/ticket to the club and a $500 fine/ticket to the dancer.

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    Thanks for the advice. from what I've googgled it looks like Denver. Thank you so much for the advice. Where would a blond barbie with an ass and thighs type fit best? I've worked gown clubs, more redneck, and a mix of blue and white collar...

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    If you want to make decent money it won't be in the Springs... you'll have to drive to Denver and even then the money here isn't the best. Diamond Cabaret, Penthouse & La Boheme get the bigger clients. Most dancers like Shotgun Willies too, probably because of management.

    The clubs above are topless only ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    I'm curious as to what exactly goes on in our parking lot... Because I worked there for years and I never saw anything.
    That's actually the best club I've ever worked at... and one of the only clubs I've ever worked where the customers weren't costantly trying to finger me or suck on my tits or expecting other extras. So I'm really curious.
    I saw tons of dancers walking out into the parking lot with customers, standing around, some smoking, some getting into cars. I saw something else that I probably shouldn't have seen, and I won't post here. I don't know if this stuff occurs regularly, since I've only been there once... but since there were so many dancers out in the parking lot I doubt it's abnormal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holly07 View Post
    If you want to make decent money it won't be in the Springs... you'll have to drive to Denver and even then the money here isn't the best. Diamond Cabaret, Penthouse & La Boheme get the bigger clients. Most dancers like Shotgun Willies too, probably because of management.

    The clubs above are topless only ?
    Holly, Penthouse has a topless and nude section. Diamond is topless during the main hours but later in the night (after 2am) they have "Diamond After Dark" which is when the bar shuts down and the dancer move to another portion of the club upstairs and go full nude. The only thing with "Diamond After Dark" is that girls from other VCGH clubs also come over to dance there after their clubs close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post

    5. If you aren't working at a nude club then you need to either fully shave or the clubs want you to wear two g-strings/thongs. A hair sticking out is a $500 fine/ticket to the club and a $500 fine/ticket to the dancer.

    This cracks me up. i can just see the police getting real close to the girls kitty area and inspecting. "ma'am i think i see a pube sticking out of your g-string. you have the right to remain silent..."
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    You girls are very helpful. Kylea2. Interesting....When the Diamond after Dark takes place to they encourage girls to stay? or are they ok if you leave? One more question, I am used to No snow and if it does the highways and city basically shuts down. How's the commute driving from Colorado Springs to Denver? In the snow is it possible or even safe? or it's not a big deal when it snows there? I know the general commute says about an hour, but snowing? How often do you get snowed in?

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    I worked at La Boheme for 2 years. My info might be a little outdated but while I was there, the house fees were reasonable, the house moms and locker room were fantastic, the management looked out for the girls who proved reliable and not crazy/extras girls. Things started to get really tough when I quit about a year ago but with a hard hustle I was usually clearing 300 a night. The VIP room was nice looking, but kinda a joke and not very popular. Later in the night, especially on the weekends, they wanted gowns or two pieces with long skirts.

    I lived in Fort Collins and several times considered not driving to Denver because of the snow, but I never actually did it; sometimes it was nerve wracking but manageable. Winter's usually the slow season.

    My relative experience is limited but Colorado was fairly low contact. I think official legislature says zero contact (or at least that's what I was told) but obviously that was overlooked at an extent. Hands on the hips or the outside of the legs, arms, etc. Management was really strict with me when I started but gradually laid off.

    I know a lot's been covered already but I hope that helps.

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    Diamond is encouraging the girls to stay for Diamond after dark, but if you put in the minimum hours by the time Diamond closes then you don't have to stay. A lot of girls want to be there though.

    If it snows in the area I would generally not recommend trying to commute between Co Springs & Denver. Monument is in between and gets REALLY bad, so it can be very dangerous. What I would suggest is have a back up plan for up there. Start dancing in the summer and maybe find a friend that would let you spend the night at her place if the roads get too bad.
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    zombee thanks for the info. It's so hard to judge dancing the last 2 years have been like a roller coaster for me. I'm sure with everyone considering the economy. How much were tip outs? I read some reviews, but most are outdated. Kylea2 what's there minimal shift requirement? Sorry to keep picking your brains, but this is a big decision for us. I love the idea about living in Colorado and although I've been dancing for 10 years, I'm about scared shitless about moving to a new club, worrying about $ and so on.

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    ^^Why dont you take a working vacation there first? If you are scared of a new club... it seems trying it out is the best way to find out whether it will work for you or not. I read up on lots of info about austin and thought that it would be perfect for me dancing wise,...then when i moved there it totally was not. So yea,... doing research is of course an amazing idea, but just traveling there is really the best way to know for sure. and as a dancer, it is easy for us to do that .
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    Desuvas-You work(ed) at the Vu? That's where I started lol

    OP-The clubs in the Springs are really up and down. Pts is the classier club, the Vu really will let you do almost whatever-within reason. Its full nude, no liquor though. Known for extras. PTs girls are super-catty while Vu girls are more chill.

    I personally made the most money at PTs, but didn't work much in Denver. A friend of mine made more money in Denver at the Oasis (not a VCGH club)-large hips, tiny waist, DDs. I am thinner/more white girl looking, and did not make as much as I did at PTs.
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    House fees were 0 if you signed on at open, all the way to 62 if you signed on after 9 PM. Minimum 5 to the house mom, 5 to the bouncer who walks you out, and 10 to the DJ.

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    I think the minimum shift at most of the PT's clubs is 6 hours. I know girls that get away with less than that, but I believe 6 hours is supposed to be the minimum.

    Papillonluvr summed up the Vu pretty well. Somethings I don't care to say but will elude to.
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    I've worked at Diamond for three years and in my opinion it's the best club. I've tried working at LaBo, Penthouse and Shotguns. I just don't make as much money at those clubs. Diamond is more of a cabaret. We have a beautiful club, an amazing VIP lounge and a 5 star steakhouse. Diamond After Dark is open Thurs-Sat but you can take guys up there to the private dance area any time you're working. Money is really good. We have our slower weeks just like any other club.

    -House fees are $50 Mon-Wed, $60 Thurs-Sat and $40 on Sundays.
    -We have two private dance areas and you can do dances on the floor (you must be on one of our platform boxes). We have to charge a minimum of $25 a dance. You can charge more but that's the minimum. I charge $35 a song or 3 dances for $100 on the floor or in the dance area downstairs. NOW, the best way is to take the guy upstairs to do dances. I charge $50 a song with the appeal of them being "able to touch me". I let them touch my legs ONLY, no butt, no boobs, nothing else. If you're dancing downstairs the guys CANNOT even so much as rest a hand on your leg. Girls have the option of doing nude dances upstairs and they charge anywhere from 50-150 A SONG. Our door guys keep track of every dance that you do because you have to pay $5 per song to the club.
    -You have to charge a minimum of $200/hr for off the list. Dances are NOT included. If they want dances downstairs I charge $350/hr plus a tip. If they want dances upstairs I charge $500/hr plus tip. You have to give the club $50 per hour you are off the list.
    - We are well known for our shower dances. Usually people get them for birthdays or bachelor parties. It's a shower that's elevated that's encased in glass. Guys can pick 1-3 girls for a shower dance. It's like a lap dance but in the water. You can spray guys down with the hose and cover them in shaving cream. Each girl gets $50 for one song.

    -You have to wear two T-bars if you're unshaven. I wear two anyways. We wear cocktail dresses. You can't wear anything see through.
    -(Kinda sad that I even have to say this) You need to maintain a manicure and pedicure. MUST do your hair, no updos. MUST wear makeup.
    -You have to have a schedule. At least three days a week. If you no call no show, the next time you arrive to work you have to pay the club fees for the day you missed. You are allowed three no call no shows in a month and if you exceed that you will be breached. If you are late for your scheduled shift, you have to pay $10 per every half hour you are late. If you are sick you're suppose to bring them a Doctor's note. If you need to take time off you have to fill out a Showtime Request form for the day you will be leaving and returning.
    -You have to pay your house fees when you check in with the DJ every night before you work.
    -There are no house fees for the first three nights that you work.
    -Tattoos that are bigger than a dollar folded both directions must be covered with makeup before your shift.

    You can either be scheduled to work Diamond After Dark which is open Thurs-Sat 9-4. They stop serving liquor at two. Fees are $20 if you want to work an 8-2 shift at Diamond and then go upstairs for After Dark. Personally, I've tried working up there 3-4 times and really don't care for it. You can make money up there but it's really hit or miss. It's nice when you've been hanging out with someone all night at Diamond, you can take them upstairs for more dances or OTL. *WARNING- Diamond After Dark is a completely different club than Diamond. Girls can come from all of the other clubs to work there. WHICH MEANS that A LOOOTTTT of them do extras... lots of extras. You can wear skimpy outfits though. And we have a stage with a pole plus two more poles in our little lounge area. Which is fun if you do pole work because we don't have any poles downstairs.

    -You are not allowed to solicit food or drinks from customers.
    -You CAN come in any day you want (don't have to call) if you work your scheduled days. Even if you are not scheduled you MUST work a 6 hour shift.
    -If you are underage you have to wear a wrist band every night that you work to let the waitresses know that you are underage.
    -You cannot leave with customers.
    -On stage you cannot touch your nipples or your kitty. Your body must be 75% on the stage at all times.
    -It is illegal in Colorado to be topless without being on a platform 12 inches or more from the ground.
    -ALSO which is benefiting the girls (like myself) who aren't comfortable with dancing nude, in Colorado it is illegal to serve liquor in a club with fully nude girls. So, all of our topless clubs are 21+ and the nude clubs are 18+.

    At Diamond I would say that I honestly average 400/ night. NO JOKE. And when it's good I usually average 700-800. We get A TON of business men. Mostly there on business trips with clients. We are located RIGHT by the Convention Center so we're slammed whenever there are conventions. You get regulars every once in a blue moon but you're mostly dealing with new people every night.

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    wow bayexho, that is A LOT of information and soooo helpful!

    It seems pretty strict there, even with all the options you have for dances. They can be expensive there it seems. Is it difficult to sell dances?

    What types of girls do you have there-a lot of variety, or are they mostly on the thinner side?
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    ^^^^ Most of the rules she posted are included in that big white sign that all the PT's/VCGH clubs have in the dressing room
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    Deja Vu: $65 house fee for night shift. $20 topless, $40 nude. Run many specials, such as 3 dances for $30 topless only, or 2 for 1 specials, nude or topless. Date booths are $300/hour, club takes 75, or 150/half hour club takes 50. Shower dances on weekends.
    There are three stages. One in VIP which is mostly dollar dances, one in the back of the main room with one pole, and the main stage (circular) with 3 poles.
    No house mom.
    Club takes $5 out of a $20 dance, $10 out of a 3 for 30 and $40 dance.
    The manager is an old bouncer-super sweet. DJ is nice too. There are minimum tip-outs, but I am not sure what they are since I always tip over them. I know they go to the bouncer who walks you to your car and to the DJ, other than that I don't know.

    The club looks dirty, as in dirt and stuff, but it isn't that bad. It is known for extras but I never did any and still made a decent average there.

    PTs has less of a house fee, and they don't take money out of dances. Minimum tip outs as well, but again Im not sure what they are since I tip more than them.
    Dances are $20 topless, $30 nude (or they were when I last worked). They don't run nearly as many specials, but occasionally do merchandise sales. You don't have to work the nude room. There is the main stage and the bar stage. PTs has very TALL poles to do tricks on. You are more likely to make stage money there than at the Vu. It is also larger and serves alcohol.
    You can do dances on the floor, and they also have areas set aside to do dances.
    Custys can pull you off stage rotation and take you to the private rooms aka Skyboxes. I believe they must buy a bottle, included in the price. IDK what they are; never been in one at PTs. No house mom, small locker room.
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    ^^^ Last time I was there (December) they nicked the dances on the floor. Now you have to go to the back room.

    I've been in the sky boxes, they have hour and half hours. I don't remember what they pay though.

    They do have a house mom now on the weekends, but she pretty much just brings in food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papillonluvr View Post
    wow bayexho, that is A LOT of information and soooo helpful!

    It seems pretty strict there, even with all the options you have for dances. They can be expensive there it seems. Is it difficult to sell dances?

    What types of girls do you have there-a lot of variety, or are they mostly on the thinner side?
    Like I said, we have our slower weeks... but generally it's a breeze. That is how much it costs there. Guys are use to paying that much for a dance and since we changed our prices from $20/song to 25+ a song we've been attracting even more wealthy guys than we were. Some girls only charge 35 a song upstairs. It just happened last night to me actually. A guy asked me for a dance and asked how much I charge because "a girl earlier charged $35". I told him that I charge $50 a song and he didn't so much as blink before saying let's go. We do have a lot of thin girls and a lot of athletic girls. We also have some thicker girls that are gorgeous and clean house there.

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    ^^^^ Most of the rules she posted are included in that big white sign that all the PT's/VCGH clubs have in the dressing room
    Which they didn't use to care about. Michael Sheill, the old manager of LaBo, is now the district manager? Or the regional manager of PT's clubs? Regardless, he's playing by the rules as he should be.

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    I don't know anything about Michael. I know Rusty is working for VCGH.
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    I don't know anything about Michael. I know Rusty is working for VCGH.

    As far as I know, one of the clubs is NOT playing by the law and allowing the dancers to think that they are. Meaning the dancers could very easily be ticketed if the cops ever came in, and wouldn't even know they are breaking the laws.
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