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    Default Shit like this annoys me so much.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sleepover.html

    Where do I even start? I mean, ignoring that it's the Daily Mail, of course, stories like this really hack me off. It wasn't all that long ago that poledancing classes were hailed as a wonderful fitness alternative, with celebrity fans of the craze. In the UK, it seems that stripping and the media have a love-hate relationship. One week we're calling it glamorous and empowering, the next there's a scaremongering story like this one, warning us of the "terrifying reality" of such establishments - which, as we all know, are just fronts for child prostitution rings with drug dens out back. Clearly.

    No wonder so many people are sexually and sensually ignorant. The comments at the bottom of the article really take the biscuit. Blaming our "over sexualised" society. Saying that men are to blame. The mother's to blame. That this is further proof Britain is "broken". Saying women should stop offering themselves in that way, that it's women's fault.

    Aaaaand then right beside the article, links to other articles about celeb diets, Amanda Seyfriend in a basque and stockings, Gillian Taylforth in her underwear, Heidi Montag flashing her cleavage - Christ, Daily Mail, pick a fucking stance. Either you like half naked women or you think we're sleazy slags. Get off the fucking fence.
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    Well as you already pointed out.... it is the Daily Mail.

    I read it all the time too, but it never fails to piss me off. It's the worst newspaper out there for body criticism. One week they criticize a celeb for being too thin and the next week it's because she's put on a few pounds. And they have the nerve to go on about morality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria669Jones View Post
    Well as you already pointed out.... it is the Daily Mail.

    I read it all the time too, but it never fails to piss me off. It's the worst newspaper out there for body criticism. One week they criticize a celeb for being too thin and the next week it's because she's put on a few pounds. And they have the nerve to go on about morality?
    Oh lol, I knew I wasn't the only one with a masochistic Daily Mail addiction! I have their site bookmarked so I can get my daily fill of indignation. It really is the most bitchy paper, in my opinion. Their "Femail" section on the site is RUTHLESS. You're too fat! You're too thin! You're a bad mother! You're crap in bed! This is how to better yourself!

    Feel so sorry for the women that take that stuff seriously.

    They make a huge fuss about being sexy, bagging a man, designer underwear, celebs in their knickers - and then get on their high horses and scream bloody murder the second any woman takes control of her sexuality.

    Of course, this 14 year old is a victim and the club owner a monster, but any article whatsoever with the word "pornstar" or "stripper" in it automatically has huge, seething undertones of "THIS WOMAN IS A MASSIVE SLAG".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Their "Femail" section on the site is RUTHLESS. You're too fat! You're too thin! You're a bad mother! You're crap in bed! This is how to better yourself!

    Oh my goodness, I know!! They HATE women, basically! Judging by the comments left, their readers do, too. It's depressing really.

    Can't stop looking at it though.

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    This is one of those situations where the girls should have been kicked out of the club when they failed to show proper ID.

    When I first started two underage girls came in to audition. They did audition, but the manager was lazy and didn't check their IDs until AFTER. Then he called the cops on them. The girls literally ran out the door of the club and across a busy street to get away. I was there when it happened, but I'm not sure if the police ever caught up with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    This is one of those situations where the girls should have been kicked out of the club when they failed to show proper ID.

    When I first started two underage girls came in to audition. They did audition, but the manager was lazy and didn't check their IDs until AFTER. Then he called the cops on them. The girls literally ran out the door of the club and across a busy street to get away. I was there when it happened, but I'm not sure if the police ever caught up with them.
    It seems the owner just did not ask for ID - for long enough that undercover reporters not only heard about it, but went to investigate. Sick. I don't know how tall or how filled out this girl must be, but I am pretty sure she did not look 18 - or looked suspiciously vague age-wise and SHOULD have been asked for ID! It's actually making me livid that a 14 year old was not checked out for a job, especially this kind of job.

    Sometimes I honestly think we need some kind of public service announcement - this isn't as bad as your parents make it out to be, kids, but it's not as glamorous and easy as you wish it was. By a long shot.

    I have no problem with girls wanting to grow up to be sexually liberated, strong, talented women - but I take serious issue at 14 year olds giving LDs like it's the same as playing with mom's makeup and heels.
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    This is disturbing to me. First off, I blame the nighclub for this happening, but maybe the girl had a fake id.

    This will possibly upset many, but yes, we live in a sexualized society too much. We live in a society where if you aren't sleeping with someone on the third date, you are a prude, and where sex on tv is expected. I'm not saying I want to go back to the repressed times, but to some extent yes I do. I want to go back to a time where single parenthood wasn't glamorized, and where little girls didn't aspire to be porn stars. Having been strippers, we all know the industry is rough, and I wouldn't want my daughter working in it, especially what it's become. I'd want a daughter to do something where she's judged on her mind.

    Yes, I realize that makes me a hypocrite to some extent having been a stripper and nude model (and having done one amateur porn movie because I was exploring adult films). I don't blame anyone working in the sex industry because that's strictly adults (or supposed to be). I blame mainstream society for allowing this to happen. I blame mainstream society to judge women on their looks instead of their brain. I blame mainstream society for glamorizing sex because in many ways it's not.

    Btw, my comments aren't aimed at adult women entering the business, but the young girls who think it's glamorous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    This is disturbing to me. First off, I blame the nighclub for this happening, but maybe the girl had a fake id.

    This will possibly upset many, but yes, we live in a sexualized society too much. We live in a society where if you aren't sleeping with someone on the third date, you are a prude, and where sex on tv is expected. I'm not saying I want to go back to the repressed times, but to some extent yes I do. I want to go back to a time where single parenthood wasn't glamorized, and where little girls didn't aspire to be porn stars. Having been strippers, we all know the industry is rough, and I wouldn't want my daughter working in it, especially what it's become. I'd want a daughter to do something where she's judged on her mind.

    Yes, I realize that makes me a hypocrite to some extent having been a stripper and nude model (and having done one amateur porn movie because I was exploring adult films). I don't blame anyone working in the sex industry because that's strictly adults (or supposed to be). I blame mainstream society for allowing this to happen. I blame mainstream society to judge women on their looks instead of their brain. I blame mainstream society for glamorizing sex because in many ways it's not.

    Btw, my comments aren't aimed at adult women entering the business, but the young girls who think it's glamorous.
    The thing is, this girl's from the UK. Totally different ballgame here. Single mothers are seen as filth, glamour models are seen as whores. It's because of this repression that outlets are so extreme. Katie Price is constantly slammed in the media, ridiculed and mocked - and yet, she's one of the biggest selling "authors" here. When any TV show has an on screen gay/lesbian kiss, people freak out. When True Blood aired here on Channel 4, people were spitting nails with fury at how such an awful, awful thing could be shown (after the watershed).

    And I personally think it's part of the problem. You tell a little girl not to do XYZ, that it's bad and it's dirty (and gets lot of attention for being so terrible), she is going to go out of her way to do just that. Comparable to how much binge drinking goes on in France (age to consume much lower, alcohol a part of every day life) vs. the US (much higher age before it's legal, heavily criticised). When something's treated as normal, irrelevant, even boring - it ceases to be so enticing. When it's a bad thing only "dangerous" people do - then it's exciting. Then it's a thrill. I personally think the UK needs to get over it when it comes to sexuality and start presenting things in a more reasonable fashion.

    Yes, it's not a pretty industry - but when headlines hysterically scream about sex, corruption, drugs - some people are indignant, and some are interested. If a UK newspaper printed some photos of a real strip club, warts and all, I don't think as many little girls would be interested. If they had a few interviews with women that had a "typical", if that can even be said, experience (not a very lucky/unlucky woman), I don't think as many teens would be saying that's the life they want.

    tl;dr: When sexually liberated or even sexually confident women are slammed as nasty sluts, and SCs are lauded as evil caves of rape and heroin, while at the same time women are told to be as attractive as possible, and stripping is given a glam edge - this damages everyone's view. The wrong people think it's a magical sexy fairytale, and the wrong people think it's a cause of our country's demise. I personally think it's less about the fact that our society is sexualised, more to do with how it's sexualised - ie. in a very polarised, black and white, confusing way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    The thing is, this girl's from the UK. Totally different ballgame here. Single mothers are seen as filth, glamour models are seen as whores. It's because of this repression that outlets are so extreme. Katie Price is constantly slammed in the media, ridiculed and mocked - and yet, she's one of the biggest selling "authors" here. When any TV show has an on screen gay/lesbian kiss, people freak out. When True Blood aired here on Channel 4, people were spitting nails with fury at how such an awful, awful thing could be shown (after the watershed).

    And I personally think it's part of the problem. You tell a little girl not to do XYZ, that it's bad and it's dirty (and gets lot of attention for being so terrible), she is going to go out of her way to do just that. Comparable to how much binge drinking goes on in France (age to consume much lower, alcohol a part of every day life) vs. the US (much higher age before it's legal, heavily criticised). When something's treated as normal, irrelevant, even boring - it ceases to be so enticing. When it's a bad thing only "dangerous" people do - then it's exciting. Then it's a thrill. I personally think the UK needs to get over it when it comes to sexuality and start presenting things in a more reasonable fashion.

    Yes, it's not a pretty industry - but when headlines hysterically scream about sex, corruption, drugs - some people are indignant, and some are interested. If a UK newspaper printed some photos of a real strip club, warts and all, I don't think as many little girls would be interested. If they had a few interviews with women that had a "typical", if that can even be said, experience (not a very lucky/unlucky woman), I don't think as many teens would be saying that's the life they want.

    tl;dr: When sexually liberated or even sexually confident women are slammed as nasty sluts, and SCs are lauded as evil caves of rape and heroin, while at the same time women are told to be as attractive as possible, and stripping is given a glam edge - this damages everyone's view. The wrong people think it's a magical sexy fairytale, and the wrong people think it's a cause of our country's demise. I personally think it's less about the fact that our society is sexualised, more to do with how it's sexualised - ie. in a very polarised, black and white, confusing way.
    But is the UK as repressed as the US? I have relatives there, but it seems (maybe I'm wrong) that the US is more repressed. I do know here glamour models, strippers, etc are seen as whores (I think this is wrong) but single moms are accepted here, and in fact it's accepted (which bothers me tremendously because it's wrong). Most of what you mentioned is a problem in the US as well. The double standard is alive here but at the same time models and actresses know they have to be sexual to be successful. I do think if someone s told to do something they will anyway, especially if it's "naughty".

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    Daily Mail prints mysoginistic rubbish week in week out, cnt stand reading it! They're not the only paper to jump on the bandwagon tho, the times recently printed a couple of page spread about how stripping definetly alwyas leads to prostitution and drug taking. I was so annoyed, the girl who they had chosen to interview was an escort and hadn't really danced from what i could glean from the article! Im 23 and look young, the second i walked thru the club doors the manager asked to see my ID, and then got the house mum to double check it herself! Haha! (and he's younger than me!)

    It seems pole dancing is ok for those who are safely married with children in the comfort of a gym with their other Mum mates from the local middle class primary school, its not ok to make a living from or use as a step into saving etc, these reporters (usually women) have no idea of the actual in's and out's of working as a dancer, we are stereotyped to the max,

    Never mind my degree or full time job, never mind that im educated and actually making a lot of money for a few hours work, obviously im opressed and in dire need of straightening out by society....Oh hang on, my drug dealer pimp boyfriend is at the door and i need my fix before i can work this weekend....haha

    *sigh* makes me sso annoyed, I know i got away with being 18/19/20 when i was 14, i had a fake ID, im not condoning it at all, but it happens, and tars every club with the same brush and the stereotypes and misjudgings of clubs goes on!

    And damn right im gonna ''cater'' to these men who come in with money burning a hole in their pocket haha, coz its going home in my purse!! x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But is the UK as repressed as the US? I have relatives there, but it seems (maybe I'm wrong) that the US is more repressed. I do know here glamour models, strippers, etc are seen as whores (I think this is wrong) but single moms are accepted here, and in fact it's accepted (which bothers me tremendously because it's wrong). Most of what you mentioned is a problem in the US as well. The double standard is alive here but at the same time models and actresses know they have to be sexual to be successful. I do think if someone s told to do something they will anyway, especially if it's "naughty".
    It would of course depend on the state, but I would say the UK is more repressed. We have stricter laws on what can/cannot be on TV, we frequently reject successful US shows as being too risque, we have stricter abortion laws - one of the UK countries has no strip clubs whatsoever, haven't for 7 years, and 6 months ago a small town there devoted time in a council meeting to say, formally, that they wouldn't entertain any applications to open SCs there. The "forbidden fruit" allure of things sends us into a frenzy sometimes, I think. Of course, it could just be that I need to spend more time in the states - Victoria669Jones, does your hubby have any good looking USMC friends?
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    I definitely don't think the U.K is more repressed than the U.S. My American hubby can't believe some of the things that get shown on TV here. He says if it happened in the states there would be an uproar. The U.K is definitely not more intolerant of sex workers than over there. The U.S is a strange country in that there are so many super religious people, but the sex industry thrives over there. There are billboards about Jesus on the highway then a bit down you'll see one for a strip club. I'd say the U.K is a lot more liberal than the U.S, going by my own experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria669Jones View Post
    I definitely don't think the U.K is more repressed than the U.S. My American hubby can't believe some of the things that get shown on TV here. He says if it happened in the states there would be an uproar. The U.K is definitely not more intolerant of sex workers than over there. The U.S is a strange country in that there are so many super religious people, but the sex industry thrives over there. There are billboards about Jesus on the highway then a bit down you'll see one for a strip club. I'd say the U.K is a lot more liberal than the U.S, going by my own experiences.
    I'm guessing it's even more polarised, with people at the extremes of each end? Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    I'm guessing it's even more polarised, with people at the extremes of each end? Jesus.

    Definitely. But even something like Television is a lot cleaner than over here. It's a fucking great country though, I'd move there in a heartbeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria669Jones View Post
    Definitely. But even something like Television is a lot cleaner than over here. It's a fucking great country though, I'd move there in a heartbeat!
    I dunno if I could move, but loooong frequent vacations there are something I would NOT pass up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    I dunno if I could move, but loooong frequent vacations there are something I would NOT pass up.

    Yeah it's great! I wish the flights weren't so expensive though. It's like £1,500 for mine and hubby's flights alone. Wish we could afford to go back more often because he gets home sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria669Jones View Post
    Yeah it's great! I wish the flights weren't so expensive though. It's like £1,500 for mine and hubby's flights alone. Wish we could afford to go back more often because he gets home sick.
    Ugh, transatlantic flights are the worst. My "going to the US" fund is in direct competition with my important stuff and tattoo fund. Silly expensive things. I bet he misses natural sunshine for more than 2 weeks a year, right? I don't think anyone from a country with an actual Summer could ever get used to this. *glares at sky* I think I'd get homesick for here eventually. I'm sure missing NI could be classed as a mental illness somewhere, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxcbbw View Post
    Ugh, transatlantic flights are the worst. My "going to the US" fund is in direct competition with my important stuff and tattoo fund. Silly expensive things. I bet he misses natural sunshine for more than 2 weeks a year, right? I don't think anyone from a country with an actual Summer could ever get used to this. *glares at sky* I think I'd get homesick for here eventually. I'm sure missing NI could be classed as a mental illness somewhere, though.

    Lol! I know, the Summers over there are soooooo good! Sheer bliss! I have no idea why he likes this rainy, gloomy, tiny god forsaken country of ours!

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