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    I thought I was pretty obvious.

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    You're welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjas View Post
    That being said, before a few of the "strippers are the debil" guys on here start, I should say. Even if you enjoy your job, you wouldn't work extra hours for no pay or do it for free!
    I would/I do.

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    Yes besides anything mcmillan, recognize where you are. A dancer's support site. So do not come on here as a customer bitching about a dancer and asking how to get revenge for her not caring about you anymore! No one needs your lame contacts, if you were so business savvy, you'd be spending a lot more than $50-$100. Buy dances from another girl and get over it.

    And you would expect a lawyer you used to employ and now you work with his rival within the company to happily great you when you enter the building?? LMAO loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    i've genuinely liked many of my customers over the years, but good conversation doesn't keep my electricity on. being paid by a guy who likes my conversation and likes me and likes my lapdances does.

    it's like when guys bitch about girls being ugly or girls having bad attitudes. give money to the pretty girls with good attitudes and they'll stay around. what incentive is there when the bitches and ugly girls make more than you do (the bitches cos they hustle hard and the ugly girls because they're either dirty or guys think their dirty)
    Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurcon View Post
    Yes besides anything mcmillan, recognize where you are. A dancer's support site. So do not come on here as a customer bitching about a dancer and asking how to get revenge for her not caring about you anymore! No one needs your lame contacts, if you were so business savvy, you'd be spending a lot more than $50-$100. Buy dances from another girl and get over it.

    And you would expect a lawyer you used to employ and now you work with his rival within the company to happily great you when you enter the building?? LMAO loser.
    You're right, I do need to recognize where I am, a stripper's support site. Not sure what my expectations were when I first logged on, but now I look forward to the non-judgmental, open minded, free flow of ideas. It just wouldn't work if we were reduced to name calling or taking an "us against them" where, depending on which side of the table you sit, IE. Dancers are never at fault, patrons are all pathetic losers bent on exploiting women; or Patrons are never at fault and all dancers are mercenaries at best.

    The beauty of this forum is the patrons get to hear what the dancers really think whereas in the SC such transparency would kill their business. Is that a gross generalization? Probably so, but then a again, this entire forum is full of people commenting on things in broad assumptions without the benefit of being present for the exchange in question.

    Strippers sell lap dances for their livelihoods. It's a pretty simple exchange. Everyone gets out of it what they put into. Some are more adept than others at cultivating and keeping clientele. Unfortunately strippers don't have much leverage in the exchange (all carrot and no stick) and if they run a foul of management, or the club's paying clientele, they're very replaceable .

    When she told me she was burned out and looking to move on (see my OP) you're right, I was a "LMAO loser" to have contacted those business associates/friends of mine on her behalf. Showing concern for her well being OTC was poor form indeed. She's there to sell T&A, and any incidental conversation that transpires during that process, is just what's necessary for her to complete and/or continue her sales effort. Lesson learned.

    Life's experiential... we learn from out experiences. If I want meaningful conversation with an attractive woman, I need to hang out in coffee houses. If I want the physical/visual pleasure/titillation of a partially nude, nubile woman under the age of 25 sitting in my lap, for the duration of a five minute song, all I need do is darken the door of a SC, and pony up the $20 price of a lap dance. If she's talented she can parlay that into five dances. If the chemistry's not good, she's absolutely free to leave the "LMAO loser" and move to the next table, engaging someone else with her sales pitch. We all get to make our choices. Is this a great country or what?

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    I was gonna write a long reply but I think just a few words would suffice.

    Strip clubbing... you're doing it wrong.

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    The only problem anyone had with you was because you wanted advice on how to avenge your slight, to hurt her somehow. Why would we throw one of our own under the bus for you?

    Besides, there are ungrateful people everywhere, not just in a strip club..if she was, indeed, being ungrateful for the help you gave her. Assholes are everywhere. The only thing you can really do is to not socialize with them or patronize them any longer, live a better life and forget about them.

    She didn't kill your firstborn or anything, she just didn't appropriately appreciate the effort you made for her, from your perspective. Its a pretty small deal...and the best way to "return the favor" is just not spending money on her anymore.

    Also, getting fired from an SC is usually a temporary thing. Chances are she'll be back in a week or two.

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    They may well hire her back. She was sort of in the middle of pack as far as earnings on the day shift go. Essentially she was fired for insubordination. She wasn't willing to commit to a schedule etc. (dictating to management when she would and wouldn't work). I've certainly seen them fire others for selling drugs, a far more serious infraction, and after a month or two of penance, they're rehired if they were cash cows.

    Not sure what I was thinking I'd get out of this website/forum. Obviously the SC experience is very site specific and an in the moment kind of thing. So much of the discussion here is, by necessity conjecture, speculation, projection, etc.

    Being an informed consumer makes for a better consumer. I'm in this SC a lot as it's on my way home from work. I'm a regular who spends $50-$250 week in, week out (depends if I show up for the evening shift). I'm rarely in there more than an hour and a half, maybe two max. Understanding the dancer's point of view and having some rapport with her makes it more like collaboration. There gets to be a comfort level of predictability on both sides of the table. It's like getting your hair cut. It's a service I consume, similar to buying lift tickets when I go snow skiing. It's the price of admission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmillan View Post
    It's like getting your hair cut. It's a service I consume, similar to buying lift tickets when I go snow skiing. It's the price of admission.
    So why then do you feel the need to get one over on her ?
    If it's just like getting a hair cut and you have a falling out with your 'stylist' you move on and find another, you don't go on a hairdressing forum and ask how to get 'revenge'.

    I don't even understand your motives for starting this thread.
    I am pretty sure you knew what the response from people on here would be so why even start it ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citychick View Post


    So why then do you feel the need to get one over on her ?
    If it's just like getting a hair cut and you have a falling out with your 'stylist' you move on and find another, you don't go on a hairdressing forum and ask how to get 'revenge'.

    I don't even understand your motives for starting this thread.
    I am pretty sure you knew what the response from people on here would be so why even start it ????
    Point taken. Not sure why I endeavor to engage this forum. Where's the payoff? Perhaps I was seeking input from others who'd had similar experiences. That seems to be what much of these blogs are about.

    I've state in the past how OTC society has boundaries. ITC those boundaries become very porous. OTC staring at a woman's breast/ass is a breach in the social contract, a violation of her boundaries. ITC staring a her breast/ass is encouraged. Same breast/ass, same instinct, just different rules.

    There are other rules peculiar ITC we learn with experience. There's a whole new set of "body language" clues we pick up on. Dialing in someone's motives in such a "false" reality not a simple matter.

    One thing I've learned from this experience, people tend offer scant comment on the underlying dynamics of what's in question, the psychological tooing & froing of dancer & patron. But they seem to relish in having a go at someone who's behavior they disapprove. And frankly they have no real idea of who they're lambasting. It's an odd sport indeed.

    It seems if someone has colored outside the lines, pointing out their error would be the thing to do rather than attempting to publicly shame them for the error of their ways. Oh well, everyone logs on here for one reason or another.

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    This is all fascinating stuff but it doesn't contribute one iota to altering the simple fact that you stopped spending money on a dancer while she was at work and still expected her to pay attention to you. When she didn't your feelings got hurt. The situation is really no more complicated than that. Strip clubs are, in fact, not that complicated.
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    Aside from the payback issue, the problem is you didn't really explain exactly what occured to make you so upset, and I even asked you to make it more precise. However you should be commended in another regard, because at least you are steadily spending, not just some cheap ass hanging out letting everyone else pull the wagon.

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