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    Im done with relationship of 2 years and would like to play the field a bit.. in the past however, it's always like if i dont like the guy reciprocally and they figure it out, then they just fuck off into outerspace..how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them? im no ho, i want them to buy me stuff and fix stuff, not necessarily like sugar daddy...play dumb? be busy every time they want to come around? is there any self proclaimed playgirls on here that can advise? color me bitter, this year is for me

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    That's what regulars are for, sweetie!

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    Did you just ask how to lead a guy on so you can take advantage of him? That's pretty cruel and a dangerous game for you to play. Nightmare girl. Juliet85, girls like you are why misogynists exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juliet85 View Post
    Im done with relationship of 2 years and would like to play the field a bit.. in the past however, it's always like if i dont like the guy reciprocally and they figure it out, then they just fuck off into outerspace..how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them? im no ho, i want them to buy me stuff and fix stuff, not necessarily like sugar daddy...play dumb? be busy every time they want to come around? is there any self proclaimed playgirls on here that can advise? color me bitter, this year is for me
    I've been feeling like this lately. I even posted it in the confessions thread. Right now I am so mad at the guy I am seeing and/or friends with. He's acting nutty because of his issues (previous bad relationship, his mother pressuring him to marry) along with my issues (looking for a job). We aren't sleeping together and who knows if we will get to that stage and when. I know right now I can't handle a superserious relationship, but I just hope I'm not wasting my time with him. Anyway, I am so mad at him now that I've considered this myself. I just want to stick it to some random guy and screw him over. Will I do it? probably not, but I can see why women do. There are many jerky guys out there who deserve this, but the sad irony is the guys who'd fall for being used are the "nice guys" and then it might screw them up. This is actually why the guy I like is acting weird, because his last girlfriend did this to him. So if I end up screwing over some random guy, it'll only be to continue the vicious cycle.

    My advice? Think it for now. Fantasize about it, but don't actually do it. I know it's hard, but if you do this, it means one less "nice guy". He'll then only either develop emotional issues (like the one I've always loved) or become a bad guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post

    My advice? Think it for now. Fantasize about it, but don't actually do it. I know it's hard, but if you do this, it means one less "nice guy". He'll then only either develop emotional issues (like the one I've always loved) or become a bad guy.
    ^^This.

    you should never maliciously fuck with people's emotions to make yourself feel better. find a constructive way to channel your emotions.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    is there any self proclaimed playgirls on here that can advise
    All I can say is that 'honesty is the best policy' in this regard ... i.e. make it crystal clear from the onset that any interaction between yourself and your new gentleman friend is strictly 'fun' oriented, of probable short duration, and carries absolutely no chance of a 'romantic' long term relationship.

    I'm in a very good position to deal in this manner 'south of the border', because the new gentlemen I meet down here are always vacationers / business travellers that already carry a set 'departure date'. I also NEVER specifically ask or expect that any material compensation be provided, but gentlemen always have a way of wanting to pay the tab and present 'gifts'.

    There is a fine line between enjoying a gentleman's company and receiving unsolicited material compensation as an unexpected byproduct, and 'trading' your company in exchange for expected material compensation. While I don't see anything particularly wrong with doing the latter, I DO have a problem if the latter takes place without proper disclosure. And of course there IS an official industry term for the latter ... it's called escorting !

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    I'd say get a guy who you like AND he likes you!! then you can get all the gifts you please and be happy too i think your approach might be wrong... you are looking to get into a relationship just to get material things?

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    basically. i blame my exp on past relationships.. im actually really sweet. Sometimes i feel like people take advantage of me though..i want to be on the other side for once..men seem to equate sex/relationships with something else..not like love and companionship but more like an ego driven mission is accomplished. theyre much different and i find it disgusting so ive basically lost touch with them. They will only talk to attractive women and while that opens doors for opportunities for me i dont want to deliver what THEY want you see? and everyone knows what they want because they are simpletons..i just get what I want..like my brakes done and free drinks. im innocent by accepting these things, they try to con me into bed with them by buying them, but im not stupid/willing... so if you really think about who is evil i guess both sexes are damned, im just a little bit smarter than team dicks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by juliet85 View Post
    basically. i blame my exp on past relationships.. im actually really sweet. Sometimes i feel like people take advantage of me though..i want to be on the other side for once..men seem to equate sex/relationships with something else..not like love and companionship but more like an ego driven mission is accomplished. theyre much different and i find it disgusting so ive basically lost touch with them. They will only talk to attractive women and while that opens doors for opportunities for me i dont want to deliver what THEY want you see? and everyone knows what they want because they are simpletons..i just get what I want..like my brakes done and free drinks. im innocent by accepting these things, they try to con me into bed with them by buying them, but im not stupid/willing... so if you really think about who is evil i guess both sexes are damned, im just a little bit smarter than team dicks..
    Maybe you need to take a break from sex. I had to. In my 20's I met the type of guys you are talking about. Add in that I was a dancer/model and the issue gets worse. What I decided years ago was to abstain from sex. Sure it sucks, but I got tired of guys only wanting me for sex and by doing this most of those guys disappear. The nice guys won't because they want more than a relationship. I wish I had realized this years ago because I would have ended up with the guy like now instead of some jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post

    My advice? Think it for now. Fantasize about it, but don't actually do it. I know it's hard, but if you do this, it means one less "nice guy". He'll then only either develop emotional issues (like the one I've always loved) or become a bad guy.
    Agreed. I actually run a few niteflirt lines as a healthy outlet for these types of feelings. I can be as cruel and nasty as I want to my callers because they enjoy it and actually want that type of interaction.

    It helps and no one gets hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    Agreed. I actually run a few niteflirt lines as a healthy outlet for these types of feelings. I can be as cruel and nasty as I want to my callers because they enjoy it and actually want that type of interaction.

    It helps and no one gets hurt.
    I knew a guy who was into verbal abuse (that's what I assume you mean, correct me if I am wrong). I used to love calling him names because it got my anger away from other people. He wanted me to use him (he bought me presents) so I did. Neither one of us was bothered by it because I got presents and take out my anger on someone, and he got off on the abuse (which he loved).

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    Quote Originally Posted by juliet85 View Post
    basically. i blame my exp on past relationships.. im actually really sweet. Sometimes i feel like people take advantage of me though..i want to be on the other side for once..men seem to equate sex/relationships with something else..not like love and companionship but more like an ego driven mission is accomplished. theyre much different and i find it disgusting so ive basically lost touch with them. They will only talk to attractive women and while that opens doors for opportunities for me i dont want to deliver what THEY want you see? and everyone knows what they want because they are simpletons..i just get what I want..like my brakes done and free drinks. im innocent by accepting these things, they try to con me into bed with them by buying them, but im not stupid/willing... so if you really think about who is evil i guess both sexes are damned, im just a little bit smarter than team dicks..
    Guys have been the playing the "game" and learning "seduction" for a long time (Ross Jeffries started "Speed Seduction" in 1992 - using cutting edge neurolinguistic programming techniques). I don't see anything wrong with you wanting to play the "game", too. Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss. A great book is The Art of Seduction, by Robert Greene. All these "techniques" can be used by both men and women.

    Just do what comes natural to a dancer - dress sexy and flirt with the guys. Don't dress slutty, but make sure what you wear shows cleavage and show off your legs. Instead of hustling to sell dances, ask them to do things for you. Most PLs will be very happy to oblige. If they expect you to put out - tell them you are a lady and they need to act like gentlemen. Be like a SC hustler - lead them on a little. If they complain that you only ask for things - tell them you have many guys that would love to do nice things for you, but you chose to call on him because you enjoy his company. If he still complains, ignore him for some time, until he apologizes for being a jerk. Make them think it may happen someday. Its a bit evil - so what? If you want to feel better about it - leave them better than you found them - give them insights to the female brain, help them gain confidence, dress better, say the right things to women, etc. You can be their "wing" in the bar or dance club and help them meet other girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juliet85 View Post
    basically. i blame my exp on past relationships.. im actually really sweet. Sometimes i feel like people take advantage of me though..i want to be on the other side for once..men seem to equate sex/relationships with something else..not like love and companionship but more like an ego driven mission is accomplished. theyre much different and i find it disgusting so ive basically lost touch with them. They will only talk to attractive women and while that opens doors for opportunities for me i dont want to deliver what THEY want you see? and everyone knows what they want because they are simpletons..i just get what I want..like my brakes done and free drinks. im innocent by accepting these things, they try to con me into bed with them by buying them, but im not stupid/willing... so if you really think about who is evil i guess both sexes are damned, im just a little bit smarter than team dicks..
    Neither men nor women are evil, just individuals like you. You know what you are doing is wrong but you are doing it anyway and make wild, blanket generalizations to justify your actions. Sure there are some assholes out there but it is not a coincidence that these are the type of people you are attracting into your life. The worse of a person you are, the shittier your experiences are going to be. You reap what you sow and people get what they deserve.

    If you hate men so much, why not just stay away from them? I can't imagine that your current path will end in any way other than tragic for you and anyone unlucky enough to be near you.

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    ^^^ She's evil because guys want her to put out and she won't? If the guys are only being nice to her because they want to bang her - they deserve to be disappointed.

    Seriously, any man who thinks he can buy his way into a girl's panties, or get there by being a "white night"... needs an education in male-female interaction.

    What would you say to the OP if she was your sister - If a guy fixes your car or loans you some money, the least you could do is give the guy a blowjob?

    I am not threatened by a girl like this - in fact, she'd be an interesting challenge for me - win or lose.
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    No idiot, no one said she had to put out for any reason at all. Nowhere did I say or suggest anything of the sort. I said the opposite and said she should avoid men in general because tactics like that will at best end badly and at worst end with her wearing a toe tag when she pisses off the wrong psychopath. I didn't even say she was evil, only that she was an individual and misguided. The point I was making is that you can't generalize an entire gender like she just did do justify her fucked up actions. Manipulating people of either sex by deception is wrong and will end in misery for everyone involved.

    She would be a challenge for you? Are you fucking kidding? You sound exactly like the kind of lowlife that has brought to this sad place in her life. What kind of loser needs gimmicks like that speed seduction BS anyway? Looks like it's you that needs an education in male/female interaction. I'm guessing you have quite the rural address.

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    thanks for the omen.. NOT. fuck off already benny. So im going to test drive this shit thank you all for the advice esp jack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Sanderson View Post
    No idiot, no one said she had to put out for any reason at all. Nowhere did I say or suggest anything of the sort. I said the opposite and said she should avoid men in general because tactics like that will at best end badly and at worst end with her wearing a toe tag when she pisses off the wrong psychopath. I didn't even say she was evil, only that she was an individual and misguided. The point I was making is that you can't generalize an entire gender like she just did do justify her fucked up actions. Manipulating people of either sex by deception is wrong and will end in misery for everyone involved.

    She would be a challenge for you? Are you fucking kidding? You sound exactly like the kind of lowlife that has brought to this sad place in her life. What kind of loser needs gimmicks like that speed seduction BS anyway? Looks like it's you that needs an education in male/female interaction. I'm guessing you have quite the rural address.
    How old are you Benny? You sound like you watch too many Disney fairy-tale movies - where only old hag witches manipulate people.

    You're chastising her because she wants guys to be nice to her and help her out, but she doesn't want to have put out for it. Seeing as most guys are only being nice to get laid, I don't see the harm - they're acting like "white nights" with an ulterior motive. She can play that game too.

    You've been hurt by someone like this and it hits a nerve? - Get over it. Stop believing that a woman is going to drop her panties just because you help her fix her car or paint her room.

    Yeah, I like women who are clever, witty, cynical and a little underhanded and manipulative... That presents a challenge to me - a competition of wits. I take it you much prefer the submissive "good" girl that lacks a personality... Each to his own.

    Also, what's with the toe tag reference? -- Dude, you're creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    How old are you Benny? You sound like you watch too many Disney fairy-tale movies - where only old hag witches manipulate people.

    You're chastising her because she wants guys to be nice to her and help her out, but she doesn't want to have put out for it. Seeing as most guys are only being nice to get laid, I don't see the harm - they're acting like "white nights" with an ulterior motive. She can play that game too.

    You've been hurt by someone like this and it hits a nerve? - Get over it. Stop believing that a woman is going to drop her panties just because you help her fix her car or paint her room.

    Yeah, I like women who are clever, witty, cynical and a little underhanded and manipulative... That presents a challenge to me - a competition of wits. I take it you much prefer the submissive "good" girl that lacks a personality... Each to his own.

    Also, what's with the toe tag reference? -- Dude, you're creepy.
    First I am not chastising anybody. She made a public post about purposely screwing people over and I responded to it. She didn't say anything about being nice, she specifically asked "how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them?" Man, your reading comprehension is like that of slow 7 yo. ONCE AGAIN, I NEVER SAID SHE SHOULD PUT OUT FOR FAVORS...Also, Dr. Freud, I do the best I can to avoid confused and misguided vampires like her and have been lucky enough to do so. You seem fixated on the dropping of panties for favors, something I never once mentioned or encouraged. Damn, you're either unbelievably stupid or delusional. Once, yet again for those in the cheap seats, no one mentioned anything even remotely like what you so colorfully stated with "Stop believing that a woman is going to drop her panties just because you help her fix her car or paint her room". You are the only one here who has said anything like this. I only voiced my opinion that using the promise of her pussy to trick some dumb schlep into buying her stuff and fixing her brakes will backfire eventually. What's wrong with being upfront and making it clear that she just wants to be friends? She would probably still have lonely, broken dipshits willing to do her bidding without the deception. As far as only being nice to get laid, that may be the way you roll, but that's not the way I or any of the people I hang out with do things. I treat everyone with respect until they give me a reason not to. Now, read and reread my posts carefully (or get someone to help you) so that you don't let your imagination get away with you again and you address posts that I never made.

    Haha at the idea of you in a competition of wits...I feel reasonably sure that what you and I consider clever and witty are as far removed as the difference between a remedial High school and an Ivy league University.

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    I agree with Ben. Fucking with people's emotions and attempting to con money out of them is wrong and I think everyone here knows that. If a guy posted on this board asking how to fuck women out their money, he would be lynched.

    That's why I offered a healthy outlet for her feelings. If she does start fucking with other human beings for her own sick satisfaction, she may end up hurt or dead. Shit like that does happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You're chastising her because she wants guys to be nice to her and help her out, but she doesn't want to have put out for it. Seeing as most guys are only being nice to get laid, I don't see the harm - they're acting like "white nights" with an ulterior motive. She can play that game too.
    I don't know what kinds of guys you know, but many of the nice guys I've known were looking for more than sex. The guy I like was the type that was looking to get married. The guys only looking for sex aren't nice guys.

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    First I am not chastising anybody. She made a public post about purposely screwing people over and I responded to it. She didn't say anything about being nice, she specifically asked "how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them?" Man, your reading comprehension is like that of slow 7 yo. ONCE AGAIN, I NEVER SAID SHE SHOULD PUT OUT FOR FAVORS...Also, Dr. Freud, I do the best I can to avoid confused and misguided vampires like her and have been lucky enough to do so. You seem fixated on the dropping of panties for favors, something I never once mentioned or encouraged. Damn, you're either unbelievably stupid or delusional. Once, yet again for those in the cheap seats, no one mentioned anything even remotely like what you so colorfully stated with "Stop believing that a woman is going to drop her panties just because you help her fix her car or paint her room". You are the only one here who has said anything like this. I only voiced my opinion that using the promise of her pussy to trick some dumb schlep into buying her stuff and fixing her brakes will backfire eventually. What's wrong with being upfront and making it clear that she just wants to be friends? She would probably still have lonely, broken dipshits willing to do her bidding without the deception. As far as only being nice to get laid, that may be the way you roll, but that's not the way I or any of the people I hang out with do things. I treat everyone with respect until they give me a reason not to. Now, read and reread my posts carefully (or get someone to help you) so that you don't let your imagination get away with you again and you address posts that I never made.
    Read again - "how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them?" - She's laying a trap for the "nice guys" that do "nice things" in a pathetic effort to get laid. My interpretation of this has nothing to do with my reading comprehension, good sir, but with my ability to go beyond the written text... Obviously, you can't go past it... without some help.

    When I do something nice for a woman, it is not to get laid. I either want to do it or I don't, and getting rewarded with sex is not part of my equation. If I want sex, I pursue it in other ways (i.e., by building chemistry and attraction), not with expensive gifts and "good deeds". Who is likely to get caught in her "games"... Who is likely to get disappointed? - Um, pathetic and phony "nice guys" like you.

    That is why her plan does not offend me - its designed to catch phony "white nights". If the guy is not expecting to be rewarded with sex, he won't be disappointed when she doesn't put out. But, if he does expects this reward for his "good deeds" and doesn't get it, he'll be crying like baby.

    I did nice things for hot girls in high school hoping to "earn points" with them and then realized how pathetic that was when I was 18. If a hotty asks me for a favor now, I will: (a) refer her to a professional, (b)ask her to do something (non-sexual) for me first or (c) if she is in a really tight situation, and I consider her my friend, I'll help her with no strings attached - no expectation of sexual favors and no disappointment. That's why, I would never fall in this trap - but, I love to see a good hustle.

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    Haha at the idea of you in a competition of wits...I feel reasonably sure that what you and I consider clever and witty are as far removed as the difference between a remedial High school and an Ivy league University.
    Dude, do you seriously think this is going to impress anyone here? You must have a very low opinion of the people on this forum. What's your major? - Its obviously not psychology, politics, pre-law or history.
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    Athena, Jenn, Kelly, Melonie and Marvelgirl sound like reasonable and ethical people to me. If my delivery is too heavy handed take a deep breath and consider their sound advice and suggestions Juliet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I don't know what kinds of guys you know, but many of the nice guys I've known were looking for more than sex. The guy I like was the type that was looking to get married. The guys only looking for sex aren't nice guys.
    Exactly, Kellydancer - the genuine gentleman will do nice things for a woman because it's in his nature, not because he is expecting to be rewarded with sex. He won't be disappointed nor terminate the friendship if she doesn't put out.

    But, here is what the OP wrote -

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    .. in the past however, it's always like if i dont like the guy reciprocally and they figure it out, then they just fuck off into outerspace..how do i keep them on the edge without fucking them to take advantage of them?...
    Yes, it does sound like she's trying to "take advantage" of them,... but, she's talking about the kind of guys that "fuck off into outerspace" if she doesn't put out.

    If I respect and admire a woman, I will not abandon her just because she doesn't agree to be my GF or put out. I've had plenty of female friends in my life that have been strictly platonic - and I've helped them out expecting nothing sexual or romantic in return (though, I've asked for other favors like helping me shop for clothes, cooking for me or helping me decorate my house, etc.). On the other hand, I've seen lots of guys pretend to be "white nights" with ulterior motives... Then, they play the role of the victim when they spend a lot of money or time doing favors, but don't get to bed the girl. He was a phony and she outsmarted him.

    Here's Juliet dilemma: she needs help from guys - to fix a leaky faucet, car mechanical problems, lift heavy boxes, etc... but, she doesn't have the money to pay the professionals, nor does she want to have to give a blowjob every time a dude does her a favor... It's sad that there are no true gentleman around her that will help her out without expecting a special reward. Her options are: (a) play the game and outsmart the phony guys, or (b) pay them with non-sexual services - like offering to cook for them, help them shop for clothes or groceries, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Exactly, Kellydancer - the genuine gentleman will do nice things for a woman because it's in his nature, not because he is expecting to be rewarded with sex. He won't be disappointed nor terminate the friendship if she doesn't put out.

    But, here is what the OP wrote -



    Yes, it does sound like she's trying to "take advantage" of them,... but, she's talking about the kind of guys that "fuck off into outerspace" if she doesn't put out.

    If I respect and admire a woman, I will not abandon her just because she doesn't agree to be my GF or put out. I've had plenty of female friends in my life that have been strictly platonic - and I've helped them out expecting nothing sexual or romantic in return (though, I've asked for other favors like helping me shop for clothes, cooking for me or helping me decorate my house, etc.). On the other hand, I've seen lots of guys pretend to be "white nights" with ulterior motives... Then, they play the role of the victim when they spend a lot of money or time doing favors, but don't get to bed the girl. He was a phony and she outsmarted him.

    Here's Juliet dilemma: she needs help from guys - to fix a leaky faucet, car mechanical problems, lift heavy boxes, etc... but, she doesn't have the money to pay the professionals, nor does she want to have to give a blowjob every time a dude does her a favor... It's sad that there are no true gentleman around her that will help her out without expecting a special reward. Her options are: (a) play the game and outsmart the phony guys, or (b) pay them with non-sexual services - like offering to cook for them, help them shop for clothes or groceries, etc...
    I have no problem with her hurting the players. They need to be brought down a notch. The problem is though many of the guys who she would take advantage of are nice guys. I'm a little sensitive about that now because the one I like is having trouble trusting because his last relationship did the same to him. I'd hate to see my relationship with him never progress to the engaged/living together/marrying/having kids stages because he couldn't get over the hurt. I'd be livid knowing it's because he had done to him what Juliet is proposing.

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