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Agreed. I know some butt ugly skinny women and some very attractive heavier women. I've never understood the attitude that weight plays a part in how hot someone is.





i would say it plays a part in how hot someone is, but its not the only deciding factor.
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customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.
^^Me too. Of couse a fat/chubby girl can be pretty. IMHO, a 400lb woman is not pretty. All that fat, has either 'hidden' or morphed whatever prettiness she had. So I can't say that every fat person is pretty. If a girl has a pretty face but a chubby body, I'm just not interested. If her face was a little ugly and she had rocking bod, I would consider her far more attractive than a chubby girl with a very pretty face. Thats just me though, and I just don't find chubbiness appealing at all in women.










I agree.
You can always fix a body, but you can't fix a face(well, maybe..depends on the surgeon).
Physically I have to be attracted to someone's face first, then body.



I don't find chubbiness attractive either, but I find skinniness equally unattractive. A girl can have the best body ever, but if she has an ugly face it's just a turn off. I think the face is most important when it comes to looks.
I guess it also depends on how ugly the face. If the face was 5-6, and the body was 9-10 I would still find her hot, especially if she was trying her best as far as hair and make up. If a girl has a 10 face and a 5-6 ( or less) body, I'm not interested. If a girl had a 10 body and a 4 or less face, I'm not interested. Body is much more important to me, but it won't COMPLETELY make up for really unfortunate faces.
Skinny doesn't = pretty but odds are higher cuz fat just isn't . I don't care how any1 puts it, but unhealthy weight is never attractive even if the woman still in spite of it.
I agree a skinny person can be ugly in or out and an overweight person can be beautiful in and out, but rolls, beer bellies, and triple chins are unattractive on men or women in my book, but that is my taste as a non cubby chaser who likes to look at fit toned flexible active healthy bodies and find that outwardly attractive.
Of course there is more that attracts me but when its simply healthy thin verse fat thin wins on an even scale and will always add in to the favor of the life and attractiveness of the person.
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We've been socially programmed to think that. Remember that many other centuries considered being fat a good & beautiful thing because it meant you were wealthy enough to provide yourself with an excess of food.
With that being said, as much a I have tons of respect for his movement... I feel Balanchine is partially to blame for the thin equals beautiful equation. He stressed on his dancers that he really wanted to see their bones, which lead to many other women in social society considering that the ideal beauty. At any rate, after dealing with anorexia as a child & teenager - I've over it! I'm meant to be curvy. People are made different, and if others don't like it - oh well... that's their problem, not mine!
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Yep, Skinny =/= pretty and fat=/= curvy.
I really don't people who deal in those absolutes.
I find bodies that are not ideal weights to be attractive. Maybe I'm just different.
But yes OP I agree with you.
"Every experience is a lesson. Every loss is a gain."
I've always been skinny/thin/verging on too thin/slim, etc, whatever, blah, blah, and it used to annoy me when some people would say I was pretty BECAUSE of my body. I usually kept quiet but sometimes if I was in the mood I'd challenge them and say "so my face is ugly then?" or something. lol.
I've actually had a guy say to me once back when I was about 20 or so that my body was hot but "shame about the face". GEE THANKS!!!!
One of my best friends is really curvy and is GORGEOUS. She thinks I'm prettier cause I'm thin, I think she's prettier cause she just IS pretty. *shrug* Meh.




but then that just meant they were pretty because they were rich and that's even more shallow. >.<
i hate this argument. there's been this pro-fat thing lately, and while some people are meant to be curvy (curvy, not unhealthy), some people are meant to be thin. this does not always mean that skinny people are unattractive.
i don't even weigh 100lbs. have i tried eating more? yes. lifting weights to gain muscle? yes. trying those stupid 800billioncarb bars to make me gain weight? yes. nothing works. you can see my hip bones, does that make me ugly? society seems to think so.![]()
I used to be like that too. Up until I was about 27 I was really thin, despite the fact I ate a lot and also a lot of junk food.
It is SO annoying to have people assume you have some sort of eating disorder when you really do NOT (my best friend's grandma did this. SO FRUSTRATING!)
It also pisses me off to hear people going on about how REAL women have curves. Hello? Are all the many, MANY naturally skinny girls out there FAKE in some way? Are they cyborgs or something?


The way I see it, body composition is what matters, in addition to the other attributes mentioned by the OP. I know girls AND boys who proud of being "skinny", but they have at least 25% body fat and no muscle! Flab is not pretty.
... Which brings me to my hatred of society's fixation on weight. Your weight doesn't fucking matter! It's only one measure among many others that are far more important. What matters is how much of that weight is fat, and how much is muscle. Thick, muscular asses are hot. Thin and lean asses are sexy. Just take good care of what you've got and it'll be gorgeous.
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MY op has nothing to do with training even if once people believed the world was flat fat is not a sign of beauty or richness to me cuz it is unhealthy which is not attractive to me for the same reason unhealthy looking teeth, hair, skin is not on my attractive to look at list. People however have no hang ups about accepting my preference for white teeth or shiny hair, but for some reason fat has to be pretty for what reason? I'm not talking the obsessive levels were it's unhealthy to be thin, but I do believe people should not be cool with finding obesity praised as a marker of a beautiful body when in my view it's only natural that a healthier body looks more attractive and should be praised as a goal for others to follow or want to achieve.
We don't idealize dumb so why would we fat--give me 1 smart reason to promote obesity instead of a healthy body weight. I doubt you can come up with one that makes any more sense then the world being flat obviously people changed their opinions on that because they learned they were wrong about it so please live in today's world if you want to debate my opinions like you know why I think anything which you don't so don't assume. I am not one among sheep I think for myself even if you don't like my opinion it's still my right to have it and you using this we been programmed nonsense insults my independently freethinking working brain.
I hate sheep and conformist, but pro fat is a social diversity movement I can't be supportive of. It's simply unhealthy to be obese and should not be accepted as an attractive body image to aim for the way others are, but different stroke for different folks for me pretty and fat is not the same level of hotness as pretty and fit.
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Surprise & UV69, I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that fat is attractive. I'm saying that what is deemed as attractive has to do with social programming.
In other words, if you took away all the ads and interactiveness between people - what we would find to be attractive would be totally individualized because we wouldn't have the hang-ups of what our peers believe.
I'm personally not pro-fat or pro-skinny. I think people are meant to be a certain way (ectomorphic, endomorphic, or mesomorphic) and that its stupid that society tries to force people into thinking that they should be something that is unhealthy for THEIR BODY.
BTW, yes Surprise - judging prettiness on weight because it meant having money is shallow... I totally agree! However, telling someone they aren't pretty because their body isn't programmed to be a certain weight is ALSO shallow - especially when it forces people into starving themselves.
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What is pretty and what is ugly is by definition supposed to be shallow as it's about a person's looks and outside. We don't pay models for their souls and as a dancer your personal appearance is an asset you do owe part of your income on. Just as not everyone is meant to be pretty not everyone can be a model or dancer as looks are required.
As for programming yes we all are affected by the general collective way of thought, but well it can be unfair in the case of obesity it's not just shallow to find fat unattractive it's logical as being unhealthy is simply not something people desire or want to praise as it is negatively affecting the person who is obesse the same way yellow teeth are not hott for a reason it simply means some1 should brush more and better cuz they are not taking care of themselves which is a sign most people find unattractive becuase of it and the same can be said for some1 who doesn't take care of their bodies. It's simply not hott cuz it isn't.
Now you can talk to me about the unfairness of negative image which I fully understand being that I'm a butch dyke which carries this neg stereotype of this ugly big manlike angry woman and that image has affected me my whole life unfairly so, but fat is fat and unattractive for a reason unlike me who is a butch dyke that doesn't fit the stereotype in any way so I'm all for promoting different kinds of diverse beauty, but fat is something I seriously feel strongly against accepting as an equal to the beauty of a healthy body as that would be promoting people to accept being unhealthy which is not something any1 should be proud of.
I am also strongly against unhealthily thin and watched many of my gfs struggle with ed which was hard for me (I understand the struggle and pressure-I had to force feed my gfs or beg them to eat), but accepting you don't have to be unhealthy or bone thin s way different then saying fat girls in gstrings are just as attractive hott looking as those who are not fat--maybe to some that is attractive, but to me that is well them being in denial that it is unhealthy and unattractive sign that they should take better care of themselves if they want to be seen as sexy.
I don't believe society forces you to throw up and says to be unhealthy thin--that is simply your eating disorder speaking. I do know a person can be healthy weighting and I find many who are which I find attractive on the shallow outside definition of looks verses the same person with an unhealthy looking body which I will find unattractive on them. It might not be the only thing that makes up good looks to me, but it's a major part.
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Both are very important to me! Face is super duper important! Like if a guy I was sleeping with ever told me he'd slept with someone with a really unfortunate looking face...particularly one with bad teeth, then I'd never be able to kiss him again. Just couldn't go there. UGHHH!!!
Body is also damned important! Can't stand anything more than slightly chubby. 10-15lbs extra on a curvy girl is okay sometimes, but only if she is otherwise gorgeous. 10-15 underweight is NOT though. Bodywise, I think people each have a certain body type and almost everyone looks best if they go with what nature gave them. The athletic girls shouldn't try to gain weight to add curves and the curvy girls shouldn't diet themselves to death to look like the athletic ones, imo.
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Is there a reason "obese" is the only word some people are using in a conversation about "not skinny", which includes many more weight ranges?
Get the fuck off my harbl, yo'.
Personally I'm using the wording of the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Medically, as well, I think those are the ranges they use, though they have 'overweight' as well.
BMI Classification < 18.5 underweight 18.5–24.9 normal weight 25.0–29.9 overweight 30.0–34.9 class I obesity 35.0–39.9 class II obesity ≥ 40.0 class III obesity
Ohhh, I don't mean you. BF% is a maths thing, that's fine, and you were just laying out the stats - which I really appreciate.
I more meant certain people that, in response to the OP saying skinny != beauty, necessarily, people have flown up like AHMAGAD, OBESITY IS UGGGLAY THOUGH. Like it's the only other body type to have - which confuses me. There's average bodies, built up/athletic bodies, pudgy bodies, fat bodies THEN obese bodies. For the OP to say that being skinny doesn't automatically make someone attractive, isn't a rally for the cause of the obesity acceptance group.
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Lexi, I think you hit the nail on the head. I beat around the bush sometimes talking about history... but you pretty much got at the point I was trying to make.
Most people have some amount of fat that is essential for the body, so you can't say fat is unhealthy/unpretty. As women our body knows that it needs a certain amount of fat (at least 15% usually) to reproduce a healthy child. Thus when we get too skinny, we don't menstruate.
You know what else is funny though, what we as women believe is beautiful and what many men believe is beatiful, is often a totally different ball game. As dancers most of us should know that. Straight men have a certain biological programming as well, which isn't necessarily the same programming as we women have.
Anyhow, this discussion is really one of those "to each their own" topics.
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