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    Duh Bishops fight sex abuse bill

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/11/...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Summary: Currently in Connecticut, someone must report childhood sexual abuse within 30 yrs of their 18th birthday (48 yrs old)... a new bill is being proposed to get rid of this limitation.

    And guess who is opposing this new bill? You got it, the Catholic church.

    Really? Really?

    A letter was released from the bishops in opposition to the bill. Notable Quotes from said letter:

    claiming the bill would put "all Church institutions, including your parish, at risk,"

    wait, it gets better...

    "legislation would undermine the mission of the Catholic Church in Connecticut, threatening our parishes, our schools, and our Catholic Charities,"

    ^^really? How the hell does a bill getting rid of the statute of limitations on child molestation undermine the mission of the Catholic Church.... did these guys basically just say that the mission of the catholic church is to protect molesting priests????


    REALLY????

    Of course i would like to read the entire letter now, althoug CNN doesnt provide a link to it. merely quotations.
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    Wow.

    Those guys have the biggest balls in the world, don't they.

    That's some mission statement.

    The full thing can be found: http://www.ctcatholic.org/Parish-Bul...ouncements.php

    "Over the past several years in states that have even temporarily eliminated the statutes, it has caused the bankruptcy of at least seven dioceses. House Bill 5473 would make Connecticut the only State without a statute of limitations. This bill would put all Church institutions, including your parish, at risk."

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    ...churches should be required to be 1500ft away from schools, residences, daycare, strip clubs, etc...
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    If they weren't guilty they'd have nothing to worry about.

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    Of course they are fighting it, being a priest and not getting to molest children is like becoming a cop and not getting free donuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Of course they are fighting it, being a priest and not getting to molest children is like becoming a cop and not getting free donuts.
    To be fair, not all priests molest, and there are other religions where this going on. However, the US has always had an anti Catholic bias and always will. Just look at the problems Kennedy faced when he got elected. Part of the problem is because the early immigrants were Protestants while, the later, immigrants tended to be Catholic (Irish, Polish, Italian, etc). So, yeah the priests molesting children is way overblown by an anti Catholic media.

    Having said that, I do think this is wrong that the Catholic bishops are fighting this. It just makes those who hate Catholics look at it and say "see, priests all molest". The Catholic Church does have to admit there is a problem and deal with it. To me there are two ways to cut down on molesting: ordaining women and allowing priests to marry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post

    Having said that, I do think this is wrong that the Catholic bishops are fighting this. It just makes those who hate Catholics look at it and say "see, priests all molest". The Catholic Church does have to admit there is a problem and deal with it. To me there are two ways to cut down on molesting: ordaining women and allowing priests to marry.

    gee, this almost sounds as though you're suggesting that priests being unable to marry is driving them to molest children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    gee, this almost sounds as though you're suggesting that priests being unable to marry is driving them to molest children.
    That's twisting my words. No, but by not allowing them to marry eliminates many men who would be interested in becoming priests. Most people have urges to eventually marry (gay or straight, doesn't matter) and by eliminating these guys it leaves with many guys who don't want to marry. Of those guys, some don't have normal urges. It's not an excuse for anyone (priests, ministers from OTHER RELIGIONS, etc) to molest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    To be fair, not all priests molest, and there are other religions where this going on. However, the US has always had an anti Catholic bias and always will. Just look at the problems Kennedy faced when he got elected. Part of the problem is because the early immigrants were Protestants while, the later, immigrants tended to be Catholic (Irish, Polish, Italian, etc). So, yeah the priests molesting children is way overblown by an anti Catholic media.

    Having said that, I do think this is wrong that the Catholic bishops are fighting this. It just makes those who hate Catholics look at it and say "see, priests all molest". The Catholic Church does have to admit there is a problem and deal with it. To me there are two ways to cut down on molesting: ordaining women and allowing priests to marry.
    Like Chris Rock once said "its not the crime, its the cover up". There IS strong anti catholic bias in the US, and its not because some priests molested some children. Its because there was a decades long worldwide cover up of those priests. They were protected, hidden away, moved to other parishes so they could avoid punishment for their crimes. How anyone can still support an institution that protects and coddles pedophiles is beyond me, all priests might not have raped children but they ALL BELONG TO A CHILD RAPING CLUB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Like Chris Rock once said "its not the crime, its the cover up". There IS strong anti catholic bias in the US, and its not because some priests molested some children. Its because there was a decades long worldwide cover up of those priests. They were protected, hidden away, moved to other parishes so they could avoid punishment for their crimes. How anyone can still support an institution that protects and coddles pedophiles is beyond me, all priests might not have raped children but they ALL BELONG TO A CHILD RAPING CLUB.
    What about the ministers in other religions that molest? Yes, many ministers in other religions molest but because they aren't Catholic this is brushed aside. Then by that same standard, then people should be bashing these other religions too. But of course that will never happen because people hate Catholics and think it's cool to offend people. There has always been an anti Catholic agenda in the media and this was always before the molesting was exposed.

    I am tired of this whole anti Catholic bashing. I get it, some people don't like Catholics. I don't agree with all the views, but I am Catholic and am offended when people brush all priests with the same brush while denying this happens to other religions. It does. Hate all religions, not just the Catholics.

    And no, I don't justify any molesting. I think any priest who molests kids should be imprisoned and possibly killed. That isn't my point, my point is this happens with other religions and we never hear of it with other religions because the media hates Catholics and always will.

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    Ok so you think priests who molest children should be put in jail, good for ya. What do you think should happen to an organization who protects child molesters? who moves them to other cities without warning the people there so they can keep molesting children? who for decades dismiss claims, fight victims and do everything in their power to hide protect and coddle those child molesters just to protect their image and save money on lawsuits? Let me guess "well other people are doing it too!!!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Ok so you think priests who molest children should be put in jail, good for ya. What do you think should happen to an organization who protects child molesters? who moves them to other cities without warning the people there so they can keep molesting children? who for decades dismiss claims, fight victims and do everything in their power to hide protect and coddle those child molesters just to protect their image and save money on lawsuits? Let me guess "well other people are doing it too!!!".
    No, they should be held accountable for that. They should risk having criminal cases against them (and why churches shouldn't be tax deductible). The church should be doing more about this, and I don't know why they aren't. Probably years of hiding it because there is a priest shortage (which is why they should ordain women and married people). However, my problem is that the media is making it out far worse than it is, implying that ALL priests are molestors, which is NOT the case, and which I have a problem with. Stereotyping isn't cool, which is what some people are doing.

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    I haven't seen any stories that implied all priests were child molesters. What you are missing is that if you belong to a club and you find out that they protected and hid child molesters and allowed them to keep molesting children and you still chose to remain part of that club then you can't complain if you get tarred with the same feathers. Even if those priests didn't molest any children they still belong too and support the organization that did and there is simply no way to look good doing that.

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    Wow, that's one of the dumbest things I've read in awhile. Maybe if the church didn't have this as a common problem they wouldn't care so much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    I haven't seen any stories that implied all priests were child molesters. What you are missing is that if you belong to a club and you find out that they protected and hid child molesters and allowed them to keep molesting children and you still chose to remain part of that club then you can't complain if you get tarred with the same feathers. Even if those priests didn't molest any children they still belong too and support the organization that did and there is simply no way to look good doing that.
    You above thread implied all priests were molestors by this quote: "Of course they are fighting it, being a priest and not getting to molest children is like becoming a cop and not getting free donuts.". That is the part I have a problem with. Oh and I love the part that if you're part of an organization you are part of the problem too. So if I was working at a club with hookers, then that makes me a hooker too, because "I'm part of the problem".

    Until the media starts talking about other religions molesting children (apparently the Amish have a problem with this as well), then I'm going to keep getting offended by the bias. Yes, SOME priests molest children, and yes the Catholic Church isn't doing enough. I've already said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    You above thread implied all priests were molestors by this quote: "Of course they are fighting it, being a priest and not getting to molest children is like becoming a cop and not getting free donuts.".
    I was under the impression he was being facetious. i thought it was funny .

    agreed, not all priests are child molesters. but the fact that the bishops are saying this bill is contrary to the mission of the catholic church is..... ridiculous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    I was under the impression he was being facetious. i thought it was funny .

    agreed, not all priests are child molesters. but the fact that the bishops are saying this bill is contrary to the mission of the catholic church is..... ridiculous...
    In that case, they were wrong and I don't defend the Catholic Church and how they hide molestors. I just have a problem when people think all Catholic priests are bad, when most aren't. However, another fact is many of the so called molesting weren't. There was a case here where this disturbed guy tried to accuse the then cardinal of being a molestor. The cardinal (a very respected person by most people) was tarnished for years. Even now, long after his death, people still believe the guy who accused him, to though it was proven to be a lie. The guy admitted he lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    In that case, they were wrong and I don't defend the Catholic Church and how they hide molestors. I just have a problem when people think all Catholic priests are bad, when most aren't.
    yea, i definitely dont think all priests are bad. i dont understand religion personally, but it seems like the majority of people who get into it are trying to be part of something that they believe is good.

    however, i do think the institution is a problem. idk,when authority and institutions and organization gets involved in something that is allegedly between man and god, shit gets really messy.
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    The timing of the church's stand against this is bad, but playing the devil's advocate (no pun intended)...

    we have a statute of limitations for a reason. 30 years is pretty long, actually. After a certain point, memories become foggy and it's hard to prosecute someone on a 30+ year memory.

    It would, however, be nice to see the church also do something public to fight this within their ranks at the same time as making stances against laws like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    The timing of the church's stand against this is bad, but playing the devil's advocate (no pun intended)...

    we have a statute of limitations for a reason. 30 years is pretty long, actually. After a certain point, memories become foggy and it's hard to prosecute someone on a 30+ year memory.

    It would, however, be nice to see the church also do something public to fight this within their ranks at the same time as making stances against laws like this.
    The bill does state that "Older claimants would need to show substantial proof that they were abused."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    I was under the impression he was being facetious. i thought it was funny .
    Yes, thank you. I was exaggerating for comedic effect.

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    When it is as widespread as it is in the catholic church, and the church has a history of hiding the problem (and protecting the molesters), and even keeps hemming and hawing and you have bishops saying homosexuals are to blame (one recently did this saying people have proven a link between being gay and pedophilia), then yeah, I might not think all priests molest, but I sure as hell think the institution of the church (which really just seems like a religious corporation to me) is sick.

    it needs to be broken down (and fixed/rebuilt, if you are a believer).

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    Man, I'm not a practicing jew (technically i'm jewish, and was raised as such, but am agnostic/atheist leaning now), but this makes me sick.

    It's like the church cant help but dig the hole deeper.

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