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    I returned to dancing for one night only after not having danced for over a year. theres tons of new girls who think they have to give the guy as much as they can FOR THE SAME PRICE that they would get if they would just DANCE. Are dancers getting more desperate>
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    Wow...
    I went to a club and them bitches were sucking dick off the stage and licking each others cooters on stage, ewwww... Ive been to a club that doesnt allow stuff like that so believe me its not all clubs

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    Sorry you encountered this, but many dancers are willing to do more these days. :-(
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    i know!! i know.. i started dancing in 2003 when the economy wasn't as shaky and it was easier to get a dance, and all you had to do was dance!! Times sure have changed. That club i was at last night had new management.. that stuff would have never had happened with the old management. they are in a nice neighborhood and the owners never wanted to get in trouble.. but its like no one cares anymore. its a shame. i had fun otherwise, it was great to be on stage again but the stage aint where the money is at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinn View Post
    it was almost prostitution. might as well have been. im glad that i dont have to dance anymore cause i cant compete with that.
    If you don't have to do this anymore because you have other options, why would you? Most people who are doing this now are only doing it because the job situation is ridiculous. That's the only reason I came back to it. Of couse where I live we are second only to Detroit in terms of how bad things are.

    I think there is a huge difference between real prostitution and grinding. You can't get any diseases from a lap dance that involves grinding.

    I have found that when I am able to do a lap dance that involves some grinding the guys leave me alone and don't grab at me much, if at all. When I try to sell them a ViP and if they ask I directly tell them no sex, they usually seem happy and relieved.

    However if I am working in a place where I am forced to do air dances OMG..... let the nightmare begin. The guys grab everywhere and there are more girls willing to do way more (prostitution) for very little $$$. If girls are giving handjobs and oral sex where you worked that makes me wonder if they have super strict airdance laws. When lapdances that involve grinding are treated the same as actual prostitution that's when you wind up with lots of real prostitution. It's just a backdoor way for corrupt goverment officials to "encourage prostitution" so they can make $$$$. And ya that is stupid and also really sad because of all the diseases.

    I also can remember the days when girls were apalled by heavy grinding lap dances. I personally am not offended by heavy grinding unless the girls is dumb enough to grind for the whole entire song. And yes I have seen a lot of girls who are new and they will heavy grind for the whole entire song.

    I can understand why most people are appalled by heavy grinding. And I am starting to open my mind a little more to try to understand how offensive that seems to people who are not numb to it.

    I think most people in the industry now have become numb to heavy grinding. That may be because of feeling hopeless. When people feel hopeless they are less likely to stand their ground. It's really an uphill battle for anyone who is willing to stand their ground because they won't make money; especially in a place where real prostitution is happening.

    It seems to me like the U.S. is well on the way to legalizing prostitution. This is an excerpt from a website that explains all of the pitfalls of allowing women to be exploited to such an extreme level.
    http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/...aleLaw2006.pdf

    What is a better solution? In 1988, Andrea Dworkin suggested that
    prostitution should be decriminalized for the prostitute while at the same time
    criminalizing johns, pimps and traffickers.192 Today such a law exists in
    Sweden. Recognizing that prostitution deserved abolition, the Swedish
    government criminalized the john’s and pimp’s and trafficker’s buying of sex
    but not the prostituted person’s selling of sex. The law made clear that “in the
    majority of cases. . . [the woman in prostitution] is a weaker partner who is
    exploited,” and it allocated funding for social services to “motivate prostitutes
    to seek help to leave their way of life.”193 Two years after the law’s passage, a
    government taskforce reported that there was a fifty-percent decrease in the
    number of women prostituting and a seventy-five percent decrease in the
    number men who bought sex. Trafficking of women into Sweden has also
    decreased.---- Prostitution, Trafficking, and Cultural Amnesia:What We Must Not Know in Order To Keep the
    Business of Sexual Exploitation Running Smoothly--Melissa Farley†

    It's almost as if government agencies are encouraging the exploitation of women so that they can make a profit. It was the same with slavery. If the U.S. government does something like Sweden that would actually be good for women. If not, the less fortunate women in this country are in for a very unpleasant future. I have heard countless horror stories from guys who go to places where women are exploited hardcore.

    I am talking about guys that any girl would be happy to take home to mom and dad. Married men even with a wife and daughters of their own. That is shocking.
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    Oh i understand completely.. let me say that i dont have anything against prostitution, if anything i believe that it should be done in the right place and the right time. if they legalized it they would take it out of the shadows and perhaps create a better environment for those girls, and give them a chance to make a career out of it instead of living on the streets or sneaking around like its a crime.

    My proposal is that they shuld have places for it where it can be monitored. those places shouldn't be the dance club.. the girls shouldnt have to compete with that. if they legalized such things they could maintain it, screen the girls and give em health cards, regulate it, tax it..

    when it comes down to it they will never remove this behavior from society. as long as there is the need or desire to there will always be an exchange of sex for something in return for those who are willing to do it.
    Dancing shouldn't be the same thing, its a form of entertainment and fantasy, not a full on sexual encounter to fulfill those fantasies.

    The internet has taken the place of in-person interaction and I believe that it has (somewhat) influenced the industry in a negative way. This is a discussion for a whole other thread though.

    And yes i know, there are women who are there because they *have* to be there. They have to pay the bills and take care of families, or pay for shcool and lets face it, there aint no other job where you can make so much money (at times) that its worth dancing as a career.

    For me it was sad to see long-time dancers doing much dirtier shows for the same amount of money, and the new girls following right in line.

    I believe there is a better possibility of attracting a higher class clientele to a club if the laws are kept within the limit and the women there use techniques other than hand touching to make money.


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    The higher class clientele will go to brothels if that is all that is available. Most of Europe is a perfect example. And the members of that higher class clientele will wind up with major STDs such as aids. Like I said in Vegas I meet people from all over the world.

    As responsible members of a civilized society we have an obligation to make sure that we don't allow the weaker members to exploited to such an extreme level. Maybe all we can do is have a discussion on the internet; but at least it's something.

    Thank you for the decision to post your experience. I am sorry you had to be exposed to that dark side of life. It is really disturbing to see such tragedy first hand.
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    Maybe there are clean clubs in your area? You said you don't need to dance ... did you miss dancing and that's why you came back? If that's the case and you still want to dance please don't allow that horrible experience to turn you away. I love being a stripper and there are still good clubs out there in the world.

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    loren, bless your heart. i was going to make a thread like this earlier, but...honestly, SW is a very confusing place at times and i'm not interested in arguing with people over the internet, particularly when feminism is at issue.

    i wanted to mention andrea dworkin and the laws of the nordic states regarding sex workers in the iceland banning strip clubs thread, but again, unwilling to argue with e-strangers who do not hold the same feminist views that i do.

    anyway, most of the solutions to the issue of contact laws would require a lot of effort on the part of the dancers, and i think this is why you see so much external regulation as opposed to dancers collectively agreeing as to how the industry should be run. too much damn work and no one wants to commit to the cause of sex work. so you're left with feminists attempting to act on behalf of dancers (which works, sometimes), and with republicans doing whatever the fuck it is that they do (which works never).

    anyway, the OP should know that she is not alone in her sentiment, that many of us are similarly frustrated/disgusted/hoping-to-retire because we signed up to dance and dancing is becoming less and less a part of how money is made.

    all clubs are not like that, but you may have to really hunt around in your area to find a better club where selling just dances is not a completely hopeless endeavor.

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    i would try going to a different city. it sounds regional.

    maybe im optimistic, but i believe that there are still plenty of good clubs out there. and plenty of dancers who actually dance and entertain as opposed to offering prostitution.

    it sounds like the new laws in your city forced this to happen. its a common phenomenon. try a city over that has more reasonable laws.

    also, im also curious as to what city this is.... if you dont mind sharing that is.
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    If girls are giving handjobs and oral sex where you worked that makes me wonder if they have super strict airdance laws. When lapdances that involve grinding are treated the same as actual prostitution that's when you wind up with lots of real prostitution
    This has usually been the case whenever local laws set the legal penalties equal for contact lap dances versus actual acts of prostitution. Girls have nothing additional to lose but a whole lot to gain from a financial standpoint by upping contact levels to include HJ's, BJ's instead of just a bit of customer contact.


    anyway, the OP should know that she is not alone in her sentiment, that many of us are similarly frustrated/disgusted/hoping-to-retire because we signed up to dance and dancing is becoming less and less a part of how money is made.
    This is precisely what drove me to finally retire ... with the additional wrinkle that the 'feature dancer' business has been similarly affected. These days, more than a few porn stars are earning far more money between shows ( i.e. 'private sessions' with customers / fans ) than from their club feature booking.


    If the U.S. government does something like Sweden that would actually be good for women.
    Unfortunately, every 'well intentioned' gov't initiative usually has an unintended consequence. In this case there is a specific example from Germany. Like Sweden and Holland, Germany had legalized prostitution. German 'brothel' owners were required to pay the same unemployment and other taxes as any other German businesses. So when the unemployment rate in Germany began to rise, the 'brothel' owners decided that this would be a great time to seek 'higher class' workers. They posted job openings at local German unemployment offices, and by law those unemployment offices were required to refer unemployed Germans ( presently collecting unemployment benefits ) who matched the qualifications. Thus a whole bunch of comparatively hot, young German girls were referred to the 'brothels' for job interviews, and were subsequently given job offers. When the vast majority of these hot, young but unemployed German girls refused to work as prostitutes, their unemployment benefits were (initially) terminated ! The 'brothel' owners and unemployment offices made the case that the brothels pay taxes like every other German business, that prostitution is a legal job in Germany, and that an unemployed German girl voluntarily turning down a legal job offer constituted grounds for terminating her unemployment benefits.



    (snip)"A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

    Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

    The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

    She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

    Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

    The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

    When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

    "There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."'(snip)


    Subsequently, this situation wound up in court and in the Grman legislature, penalties against unemployed German girls for refusing to work as legal prostitutes were dropped, but so was part of the tax to be paid by German 'brothels' since the court effectively denied their ability to use of unemployment office placement services. But the basic point still applies ... be careful what you wish for because you just might get it !!! - and every well intentioned action always causes unintended consequences.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    [*]"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."'(snip)

    [*]Subsequently, this situation wound up in court and in the Grman legislature, penalties against unemployed German girls for refusing to work as legal prostitutes were dropped, but so was part of the tax to be paid by German 'brothels' since the court effectively denied their ability to use of unemployment office placement services. But the basic point still applies ... be careful what you wish for because you just might get it !!! - and every well intentioned action always causes unintended[/LIST]consequences.~

    It does not sound like Germany has the same law as Sweden though. In Sweden pimps and johns get in trouble with the law for exploiting women simply because they are less fortunate. The woman who is less fortunate does not get in trouble for being exploited due to the fact that she is less fortunate. Instead she is offered help to get a job. That is why the less fortunate women in Sweden don't have to be worried about being hardcore exploited like they do in most of the European countries.

    It sounds like in Germany being a pimp or a john is completely legal.

    As for the moral or immoral thing who cares? Those poor girls just need a job. I don't think they are objecting on moral grounds. I think they are objecting to the government saying you must allow your body to be used as a semen receptacle for a bunch of strangers. That would be government sponsored serial rape.

    My fear is that it seems like the U.S. is headed in a similar direction as the majority of Europe. This is like WW3 being declared on women. Just last week I had 3 guys grab at my boobs when I was not even dancing!!! I have never dealt with such abuse by customers before in my life..... and I have worked in super hardcore places. For me to be freaked out takes a lot.

    In WW2 Germany had government sponsored concentration camps. In pre civil war America we had government sponsored cotton picking slavery. I really don't want to see government sponsored serial rape of less fortunate women in any country especially here in the U.S..
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    A few years ago I briefly considered a return to dancing and then was astounded I saw things like this. I can only imagine it's much worse now due to the economy. Back when I started air dances at no contact clubs was the norm and the money was good doing one of these dances (which were often bikini or pasties). It was almost a joke that I made so much in an entertainment venue. Now, these clubs have become sleaze joints. I have nothing against prostitution but keep it out of the club. Of course it also bears repeating that many of the girls dancing now are nothing like the ones who used to. Many today don't care what they have to do to make money. I feel for the clean dancers of today.

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    oops this was a dupe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-benefits.html

    (snip)"A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

    Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

    Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.
    ^^^^That article is from January 30, 2005

    Here is a website that deals with false rumors and explains how this one got started. http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp

    Whew. That really scared me.
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    Putting blame on those poor girls by calling them dirty does not do anyone any good.

    I am sure that they would much rather do lap dances. I personally don't like air dances because it has only caused me to get grabbed at non stop. When I did my normal lap dance routine I never had guys grab at me like now. The only time I had guys grab at me used to be in VIP. Now it is happening all the time. Even when I'm not dancing!!!!!

    I don't think I can deal with it much longer. I keep getting flashbacks and start crying when I try to get ready for work.

    The problem that girls in Las Vegas are dealing with is that there was a law passed in Oct 2009 making club owners and management not responsible for anything that happens in the club. Before this law was passed club owners used to get in trouble for allowing prostitution. When ever the cops came in thats what they focused on.

    So what they have done here in Vegas is put all resposibilities for anything that happens in the club on the dancers in the guise of fighting prostitution. We have absolutely no protection whatsoever. The guys can do anything they want and we get in trouble for "sexually arousing customers by our dancing".

    Here is an article that describes what has happened here. You can also look at several links on this site under the Vegas Vice thread.
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    http://vegasblog.latimes.com/vegas/2...strippers.html

    "A concern is that dancers often rub and grind on patrons to arouse them before soliciting prostitution, said Lt. Karen Hughes, who works in the Metropolitan Police Department's vice unit.
    OK, but soliciting prostitution is already a crime. And, based on the strippers I know, they don't have to solicit acts of prostitution; they have to spend most of their nights refusing such requests from customers.

    And then there is the obvious: Strippers make money by giving lewd lap dances. It is called "a lap dance." Where do you think a stripper's body is going reach a point of contact on a guy customer in something called "a lap dance"?

    So, what I think is really happening is that the police want to shift the burden from wealthy and politically well-connected club owners to individual dancers."
    If lewd behavior and solicitiing prostitution is such a bad thing how come there are not hundreds of strip club customers getting tickets and going to jail every single day?

    Calling strippers dirty because they have no protections whatsoever, is like telling a rape victim that it was all her fault for wearing a mini skirt.
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    yeah, thank you for posting that link to snopes, as i thought it sounded a little suspicious, but then didn't see how germany was relevant to the discussion anyway, as i don't see it on the same progressive level as sweden/iceland/norway.

    i agree that most of the dancers who are now doing _______________ for money while ITC are doing it because they really enjoy it. i imagine these things are done out of necessity and that my frustration arises because 1) i think it's kind of horrible that anyone should ever do that for $20, and 2) i think it's disgusting that customers are becoming so bold that sexual assault is the norm for many dancers and that there is no legal recourse for the sex worker still.

    i'm getting off subject, but i think it's easy to forget that we should have compassion for dancers who are in whatever position that they must do extras for whatever reason.

    that said, OP, maybe posting what you're looking for in club chat will help you find a lower mileage club in your region.

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    but then didn't see how germany was relevant to the discussion anyway, as i don't see it on the same progressive level as sweden/iceland/norway.

    Here is a website that deals with false rumors and explains how this one got started
    it was only relevant from the standpoint that the full legalizing of prostitution ( as advocated by another poster ) can have all sorts of unintended consequences. And while the situation in Germany was never allowed to evolve to the point of unemployed German girls actually having unemployment benefits terminated as the result of refusing to work as prostitutes, the legal groundwork for doing so DID REALLY EXIST. The issue was resolved by legal / legislative opinions that the job of 'prostitution', while legalized, was not de-stigmatized nor actually placed on an equal footing with 'straight' jobs ( i.e. German brothels and unemployment offices continue to treat prostitutes and prostitution jobs different from 'straight job' employers and 'straight' jobs, based on 'moral' grounds ).


    but i think it's easy to forget that we should have compassion for dancers who are in whatever position that they must do extras for whatever reason.
    Again, if prostitution were to be legalized, customer expectations of 'extras' from dancers would either skyrocket or fall to near zero ( taking dancer income potential with it ) depending on whether or not other local laws continued to prohibit contact ITC and whether or not legalized 'full service' brothels were available farther down the street.


    If lewd behavior and solicitiing prostitution is such a bad thing how come there are not hundreds of strip club customers getting tickets and going to jail every single day?
    the obvious answer is that, from a political standpoint, busting club customers and/or clubowners is bad for re-election campaign contributions. Politicians, cops, local businessmen ( including clubowners) etc. all live in the real world where they are interdependent on each other, and none of them stand to gain if they do so by 'destroying' each other. This is why you never see front page news of a local businessman being busted for soliciting prostitution. On the other hand, 'strippers' aren't part of that group ... and are viewed as being 'expendable' by that group if busts are required to achieve some other purpose ( like placating local voters ) !

    In point of fact, that group often accomodates the busted 'strippers' via plea bargains, via 'free' / clubowner provided legal services, via release on their own recognizance / clubowner posted bail to allow busted dancers to return to work the very next night, etc. ... to the point where collecting fine money from busted 'strippers' becomes little more than a new form of 'tax'. Of course, the group members don't have to carry the black mark of a bust on their permanent records as the 'strippers' do ... but, hey, 'strippers' were considered expendable in the first place.


    At any rate, the bottom line situation is that ...

    A. the ability of 'clean' dancers to earn a decent living is in a declining trend

    B. customer expectations of contact and 'extras' is in an increasing trend ... also generating pressure on dancers to provide increasing levels of contact and 'extras' in order to continue to earn a decent living

    C. local laws are being enacted / enforced which increasingly place dancers between a 'rock and a hard place' ... i.e. if they obey the law to the letter they might as well trade their dancing job for a WalMart check-out counter, but if they bend the law in order to continue to earn a decent living they risk a misdemeanor 'sex crime' bust ( even if the contact levels leading to that bust fall far short of an actual 'sex act' ).

    D. under these local laws, dancers choosing to bend the law in order to continue to earn a decent living ( via providing 'normal' levels of private dance contact ) essentially face the exact same legal risks and legal penalties as dancers who choose to throw the law out the window ( via providing HJ's, BJ's, FS ). However, the latter group definitely stands to earn a great deal more money ( while taking customers away from the former, thus reducing their earnings potential even further ) !


    I guess the final analysis is that if a dancer can still find a club where it's still possible to earn a decent living while providing 'legal' levels of customer contact, she should consider herself lucky. Unfortunately, as more local laws are enacted and as poor economic conditions persist, such clubs are becoming fewer and fewer in number. This will limit the ability of additional dancers to 'migrate' into remaining 'clean' clubs as their own clubs turn 'dirty', and will probably force many remaining 'clean' clubs to either close their doors ( due to inability to turn a future profit ) or turn 'dirty' as well.


    From a personal standpoint, as of a couple of years ago the changes in the strip club business model towards ever increasing levels of expected contact, and the changes in the law enforcement approach shifting more and more legal risk onto the dancers, appeared well established and unavoidable. This was the primary reason I chose to retire from live dancing. In the ensuing two years, it would appear that these trends are continuing to move in the 'wrong' direction, driven by poor economic conditions and 'turbulent' political conditions. As to the possibility of future reversal of these trends, I can't see anything 'good' happening over the course of the next couple of years at least.

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    Yes, the crap has hit the fan as far as 'regular' dancing goes. Sure there are some clubs that are 'cleaner' than others, but high contact is very expected by most customers. I don't allow customers to touch my breasts or vagina, and I do not allow rough ass grabbing. I am definetely one of the few at my club. It was unheard of to think of any girl rubbing a guys crotch with her hand, but that is the majority now. When I first started you would get fired for that. Contact levels are getting higher, while the earning potential is getting lower. I don't see anything good happening either.

    Its sad to think that many girls think that jumping on a guys lap, grinding him hardcore, and then basically jacking him off through his pants is a lapdance. I think there is a difference between heavy grinding, and make-you-cum-in-your-pants hardcore grinding. I don't mind grinding, but I do a lot of other things during the dance. I find lapdances that are all grind, to be boring and lazy. I like to give a very seductive, sensual lapdance with some grinding. I personally don't like giving 'air' dances, unless a customer is smelly or a dreaded sweatpant boner man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    the obvious answer is that, from a political standpoint, busting club customers and/or clubowners is bad for re-election campaign contributions. Politicians, cops, local businessmen ( including clubowners) etc. all live in the real world where they are interdependent on each other, and none of them stand to gain if they do so by 'destroying' each other. This is why you never see front page news of a local businessman being busted for soliciting prostitution. On the other hand, 'strippers' aren't part of that group ... and are viewed as being 'expendable' by that group if busts are required to achieve some other purpose ( like placating local voters ) !

    In point of fact, that group often accomodates the busted 'strippers' via plea bargains, via 'free' / clubowner provided legal services, via release on their own recognizance / clubowner posted bail to allow busted dancers to return to work the very next night, etc. ... to the point where collecting fine money from busted 'strippers' becomes little more than a new form of 'tax'. Of course, the group members don't have to carry the black mark of a bust on their permanent records as the 'strippers' do ... but, hey, 'strippers' were considered expendable in the first place.


    C. local laws are being enacted / enforced which increasingly place dancers between a 'rock and a hard place' ... i.e. if they obey the law to the letter they might as well trade their dancing job for a WalMart check-out counter, but if they bend the law in order to continue to earn a decent living they risk a misdemeanor 'sex crime' bust ( even if the contact levels leading to that bust fall far short of an actual 'sex act' ).

    D. under these local laws, dancers choosing to bend the law in order to continue to earn a decent living ( via providing 'normal' levels of private dance contact ) essentially face the exact same legal risks and legal penalties as dancers who choose to throw the law out the window ( via providing HJ's, BJ's, FS ). However, the latter group definitely stands to earn a great deal more money ( while taking customers away from the former, thus reducing their earnings potential even further ) !
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    ^^ Indeed. Perfect example being Don Blankenship. The man has killed at least 60 people with his failure to fix the major safety issues in his mines, but because he'd rather dish out the money for the penalties rather than the money for ensuring the safety of his employees, we end up with the Sago Mine Disaster and the most recent mine disaster in WV. As long as you can afford to keep "important" people happy, then everyone else doesn't matter. It's a very Earl/Churl concept that has made it's way into every aspect/type of business. As a newbie I'm afraid of what I'll find my first day, but the most I can do to counteract any whorish behavior is simply solidify my stance as a chaste dancer and hope others will respect that.
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    wow, that sounds terrible. you just returned to your regular job.... but it's like what you did wasn't good enough anymore. who do you think made it become that? a lower class bunch of girls, or the owners of the club making/hiring it that way?

    ~sorry you had to experience that

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    i started dancing 2 yrs ago nearly, when i started i was told that no contact was aloud, so me being a rule freak, didnt touch 100% at all, hover/air dancing was all i did, i did well, but, there was alot of this grinding going on and lieing back on customers, i was annoyed by this because i was litterally the only one not touchin, yet i still made good money, why the fuck did they need to do it if i didnt?

    anyway, i moved to a diffrent area and found that hover/air dancing just wasnt cuttin it, i was going home with less and less money, crying to my bf, so i realised to actually stay in the game i had to at least grind a lil, so i did a slight grind, could prob class more of a brush lol, i was reluctant to do it, but i made more money.

    then i moved back to the area that was no contact and this angel of a club sacked girls on the spot for touching even a knee, i follow rules if rules are there, if they a strict, i will be a grass, i hate girls who dont get caught, specially in a very strict club.

    Then i moved back to the other area, and it had gotten worse, so now my dances are much more contact, i dont allow any touching at all from the guys during a lapdance, but in VIP ill let them touch my legs and my back (i dont tell them they can unless they ask so 7 times out of 10 i wont get touched,), no boobs, no fanny, no majoy ass grabbing, no spaking. i do alot more grinding and ill place my knee on the crotch but i still "dance" i belive in the whole "lapdancing is a lapdance" so i dont grind alllll the way through, yes its boring, i do alot of eye contact, swaying, slow moves, ya know how to dance girlies so you get me. but if i did any less, i wouldnt make money, they wouldnt be repeat customers of me, and they certainly wouldnt recomend me to a mate, if i didnt dance the way i do now.

    other girls, who do make more money than me, are willing to do so much more, the worst thing is, that bribary goes on, bribing the guy who watches not to watch, rubbing pussies and wipin it on the customers upperlip (yes there is a girl who does this, ive heard her tell customers she'll do it and then watched her to see if she does, and yes she does) full on boobie grabbing, i mean come-on, rubbing ur pussy seems to be the new norm where i work lol, and no way will i touch my cooch just to leave with a cheese factory (thrush), your hands go on the floor, the banister for the starirs, the stools, its grimy in a club, and money is filthy.

    new girls watch these girls and think its ok to do it, thats why it gets worse, then they push it, and more push it, its just gonna go to full on sex eventually, honestly i used to wonder why i got asked for extra's all the time, then going to this i club i realised why.

    Ive not let this get to me for so long now though thats prob why im having a lil rant, i guess theres just no telling these girls, if they can get away with it and they think they make more money that way then they are going to do it arnt they?

    i genrally keep myself to myself when it comes to other girls dancing, ill have a bitch and a moan every so often, but i dont moan about it 24/7 like i used to, gets you no where.


    all i can say is, in just under 2 yrs ive gone from 100% no touching, freak out at a brush f the arm, to, grinding, with slight touching aloud from the customer, and if someone like me is gonna convert that fast, imagine a new girl without the support of a family and boyfriend and SW, she'll do what she thinks she needs to do.

    anyway i gotta go out, ty for reading my rant lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by loren View Post
    It does not sound like Germany has the same law as Sweden though. In Sweden pimps and johns get in trouble with the law for exploiting women simply because they are less fortunate. The woman who is less fortunate does not get in trouble for being exploited due to the fact that she is less fortunate. Instead she is offered help to get a job. That is why the less fortunate women in Sweden don't have to be worried about being hardcore exploited like they do in most of the European countries.
    Exactly! Germany does not have the same law. I I definately think the Swedish law is the way to go, it recognizes where the power lies in the transaction and who is the vulnerable one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DominoDiva View Post
    i mean come-on, rubbing ur pussy seems to be the new norm where i work lol, and no way will i touch my cooch just to leave with a cheese factory (thrush), your hands go on the floor, the banister for the starirs, the stools, its grimy in a club, and money is filthy.

    Ive not let this get to me for so long now though thats prob why im having a lil rant,
    Ya I guess that's why I have been ranting myself lately. I have seen girls do that same thing. These girls don't seem to realize that weather they let someone else touch their kitty, or they do it themselves, they can wind up with infections.
    I've had plenty of guys try to put their hand down my g string. Recently I've had guys grab at the kitty when I'm just doing a $20 dance on the floor. I've tried the "no cookie monters allowed" line. But honestly, it's not enough.

    I think any guy who grabs for the kitty should be immediately kicked out and either arrested or threatened with arrest for attempted rape. I just don't understand why customers are allowed to get away with that.

    No matter how drunk or on drugs a girl is when she is dealing with that level of assualt and even attempted rape; it will mess up her head. Strippers are no different than any other woman who deals with attempted rape or assualt. It will mess up your mind and make you very angry. Those girls might be drinking and drugging away their feelings now but it will hit them in a few years. Chances are they won't even last that long before having a serious mental breakdown. Dealing with high levels of assualt has caused me to miss lots of work. It is so hard to deal with that crap.
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