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    The following is solely a portrayal of a fictional character and is provided for entertainment purposes only. Nothing in the following article should be construed as representative of any experience of, or activity conducted by, the author.

    All too often, I read that it is difficult or impossible to find girls that will provide "takeout" in this city or that club. While there are indeed some clubs where it is difficult, for the most part this is complete crap.

    With the rare exceptions of some small town, one-off clubs in the boonies, wherever there are dancers there is takeout. I travel extensively across the country and I would estimate that about 35% of all dancers are open to it under the right circumstances, though the ratios may fluctuate a bit from city to city and club to club.

    This is particularly true now when times are tough and these girls are not making what they used to. Many of them have kids to support, which makes the thought of an after-hours cash infusion that much more appealing to them.

    There are, of course, many ways to accomplish this and this approach is just one (and maybe not even the best), but it has been one that has worked for me.

    Now to the meat of the matter:


    • Remember that she is trying to sell something and so are you. She is trying to sell the fantasy, t&a, etc., in the hopes of eliciting cash from you. You need to be seen as someone who can feed her with cash. I always wear a nice suit (which I usually have on anyway when I am traveling), which will make you well noticed in many clubs and opens up your options dramatically, particularly in the right clubs (more on that below). If you look like a bum then you are playing handicapped. Remember you do not necessarily have to spend like a heavyweight, just look like one. Also, when the stripper asks you what you do, have a good answer. If your job is less than special, have a good story ready. She won't know the difference anyway, but it will keep you on her mind as a source of possibilities (including cash flow).
    • Play it cool. NEVER sit at a stage - it makes you look desperate to see t&a. Sit at the bar or at a table if the bar is not available. If you are suited up then the girls will find you. When a girl that you like sits down, offer to buy her a drink and be confident. When the girl asks for a lap dance, I usually respond with something like "thank you for asking honey, but that's not really my gig." If she presses, I usually let her know that "I never handle my stuff in these places." If she is a pro, this will ususally prompt her to follow up with a question that leads to the right place. If she does not respond but stays sitting with you anyway for a while longer, nonchalantly give her something for her time (I usually use $20-40) and feel free to take the initiative. When she says thank you I am usually ready with something like " No problem - you have to make a living too. It's been good talking with you. I'm sure this is no surprise but I'd really like to talk you out of here tonight." If things have been going well up to this point and she is open to it, then this will usually move things along. However, keep your eyes and ears open - if she refuses you outright or you are getting pleasant but noncommittal responses, then time to fold a bad hand and move her along. With the way you look, another girl will take her place soon enough.
    • Pick the right club. This stuff works in many places, but picking the right club helps a lot. A club with only a couple of girls working in it is not a good option as this can be a game of numbers. Also, if you are in a big city, stay away from any club close to the downtown business district as it will already have a bunch of suited guys trying to do the same thing - not only is the competition high, but the prices get high too. You want to find a club with a decent number of fair to good looking women that is frequented mostly by locals. Ideally you will be the only suit in a club full of hungry women
    • Have your hotel close by. Your hotel should be no more than a few miles from the club. I usually try to pick a hotel near a few target clubs. The girl will not want to travel 20 miles out of her way in the dead of night, and this kill what would have otherwise been a good score.
    • Negotiate upfront and know your market. Work out the terms BEFORE you leave the club and NEVER give her money in advance, either in the club or when she gets to your room. If she insists on advance payment then let her know that it is payment after or you will need to move on. If she is serious about doing it then she will relent - if this is a deal breaker for her then you were never going to get laid anyway, just scammed. Also, know your local market. Short visits to EROS and Craigslist will usually arm you with the going rates in the particular area you are in.
    Good luck!

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    What happened to the munching on pop corn smilie? I could use it right about now.
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    ^hahahaha. i'm glad he's here to enlighten all you blues this should be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubyredlipsss View Post
    ^hahahaha. i'm glad he's here to enlighten all you blues this should be fun.

    Nah, no enlightenment offered here, not even very good judgement. Just posting this for a little fun.

    I am sure that there are people in the blue side here that have far stronger games than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Nah, no enlightenment offered here, not even very good judgement. Just posting this for a little fun.

    I am sure that there are people in the blue side here that have far stronger games than mine.
    When it comes to OTC the customer has no "game". You are not going to convince a dancer to go to your hotel and have sex for money. All you are going to do is find the ones who are willing to do it. Big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    When it comes to OTC the customer has no "game". You are not going to convince a dancer to go to your hotel and have sex for money. All you are going to do is find the ones who are willing to do it. Big difference.
    Agree 100%.

    My points in the Play it Cool section are not about trying to convince someone to do it, but to wade through the time wasters and get to the point where you are in play with someone that you like and who does. In some clubs the girls will let you know brazenly, which makes most of this moot, but in many places it takes a bit to get to that stage.

    As I don't need to tell anyone here, other girls and the clubs hate this and the repercussions can be bad for a girl that is caught doing this, so many that do, in my experiences, tend to be careful about it.

    First the girl needs to be sure that she can't take your cash ITC. My opening statement usually lets her know that and sets the table by intimating what I might pay for. If she sticks around anyway, she is doing so either in the hopes of "changing my mind" on the dances (which of course won't happen) or in order to get comfortable with the thought that leaving with me will not come back to haunt her. If it is the former, then my later follow-up usually shakes that out and she is moved along after getting a little something for her time (though certainly not what she would have earned if I had been in a crappy LD area for that time). If it is the latter, then bingo.

    As a side note she also needs to be sure that she is going to get paid. The nice suit and the reason I am in town usually helps to minimize this concern, along with any comfort she gained with me during our chat.

    I have had a few that were doing so bad ITC that the first hint moved things right to a jump out to another locale, but often it has been a process and the meetup happeneded when the club closed.

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    ^^^ Dude, this is all just too much work and, quite frankly, too much of a financial risk vs. reward for my time and money.

    I get laid on the road all the time. It's much easier to spend a little time on the internet exploring your options and simply making the right phone call...

    http://www.gfesxxx.com/gallery2.php?escrortid=197

    This was my playmate last January in Miami. Full GFE, 90 minutes for less than a VIP room in some clubs. Great reviews on TER and she even used to be a stripper...Trust me, those pictures don't even tell you how soft her skin was, how warm and wet her mouth was and how tight her kitty was...

    I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about mongering/escorting but honestly, this is a much more reliable means of getting a beautiful woman to sleep with you for money. I go to a strip club to be entertained, not to try and figure out who will and who won't with the meter running the whole time. It's paid sex. It's all about ROI for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    ^^^ Dude, this is all just too much work and, quite frankly, too much of a financial risk vs. reward for my time and money.
    Completely understand. I guess for me part of the fun is the hunt and seeing what I am in person before she knocks on my hotel door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Completely understand. I guess for me part of the fun is the hunt and seeing what I am in person before she knocks on my hotel door.
    I save "the hunt" for sex that I am not paying for...at least, lol, not in the traditional sense.
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    To each his own.

    I don't find straight strip club visits to be especially "entertaining", nor am I really interested in wasting time in some crappy lap dance area, so if I think a girl looks good on stage then she would look great naked in my hotel bed.

    There is a certain perverse logic in looking for a stripper selling sex out the back door (or in some instances inside) of a club. Not only is the stage a great place to see the wares before purchasing, but you also have a chance to screen her (and she you) before it goes any further.

    You're right in that the score is certainly not guaranteed - I hover around 50%, which means that half of the time I walk out empty-handed - but if I come up empty then the other options are still there if the itch is that strong.

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    ^^^ It's funny how you refer to dancers as the time wasters. You sir are in a cabaret/dance hall. If you aren't participating it is you who is wasting our time, not vice versa.
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    Bingo! OK, I know this is an OTC thread so I expect that to topic to dominate but yeah, calling a dancer a time waster for doing her job-which is, by the way, not to go back to your hotel room and fuck you but rather to sell you lap dances-is a bit silly even in the context of what the OP is trying to accomplish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    ^^^ It's funny how you refer to dancers as the time wasters. You sir are in a cabaret/dance hall. If you aren't participating it is you who is wasting our time, not vice versa.

    LOL - I must have missed the chorus lines at the the last 50 or so clubs I visited.

    I guess the answer to the question of "who is wasting who's time" is one of perspective. But as noted in my first post, I am always upfront about not doing dances (even when the girl sits down without asking about dances).

    Also, if a girl sits with me, she always gets something for her time ($20-40) plus drinks (which some girls get paid on), even if my end goal with her does not pan out. Not a fortune, but better than nothing, particularly after she had been told that I never do dances in those places.

    I am also always upfront with a girl if I am not looking for her company at the bar or table, which may come off as rude but I think is the lesser of two evils as she is free to pursue more profitable "custys." Also, I am a reliable couple of bucks for each girl doing her "tip walks" and, if I am at a stage (very rare) tip each and every dancer.

    Net-net, I contribute something to the cause and am actually very sensitive to each girl's time. Though I never spend a fortune in a club, I am usually far from the stingiest either and if a girl does burn time with me trying to "change my mind", even after repeated warnings, then the fault is her own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Bingo! OK, I know this is an OTC thread so I expect that to topic to dominate but yeah, calling a dancer a time waster for doing her job-which is, by the way, not to go back to your hotel room and fuck you but rather to sell you lap dances-is a bit silly even in the context of what the OP is trying to accomplish.
    LOL - Thanks for telling me what what she's trying to accomplish. I was unclear about that until you cut through the murky confusion with that razor sharp observation.

    Obviously at least one man is drinking the kool-aid in here.

    The time waste comment is obviously from my perspective, not hers.
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    I agree with Yoda. Why don't you just find an escort?
    $20-$40 is nothing for having to deal with an annoying custy faking the high roller look and looking for sex.
    Chances are the dancer will let all the other dancers know what you are up to and you will not succeed at your quest. At best, you will get one of the dirty STD dancers willing to go back to your hotel with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ariel1228 View Post
    I agree with Yoda. Why don't you just find an escort?
    $20-$40 is nothing for having to deal with an annoying custy faking the high roller look and looking for sex.
    Chances are the dancer will let all the other dancers know what you are up to and you will not succeed at your quest. At best, you will get one of the dirty STD dancers willing to go back to your hotel with you.

    I don't have to fake anything - but enough said about my bankroll - something has to stay sacred in here. But whatever I am it is the same in the club as it is out. The reason I don't spend big $$ in a club is a matter of principle - there's no ROI. And remember, I tell each girl upfront that there were no dances on the ticket, so they always have the option of walking right away rather than "dealing" with me.

    A fair amount of the time I AM talking to an escort. There are a lot of dancers that also escort, and vice versa. In some cities you can reliably look at certain escort ad sites about 1/2 hour after clubs close and find some of the girls you saw in the club a short time earlier. Of course, those were the ones that did not hop into a cab or some guy's car two blocks from the club for a trip to the local business hotel.

    You know, in my time I have met a few "clean" girls who were savvy enough to make money off of the dirty girls without getting dirty themselves. They did this by referral arrangements with kickbacks by the dirty girl, negotiating tips from the "custy" for the information, doing two girl backrooms where the dirty girl did the dirty work (in clubs that let this stuff go), etc. Now I don't want to tell anyone how to make a living, but I do know that whining about the fact that it happens usually doesn't help, so why not find a way to profit from it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    LOL - Thanks for telling me what what she's trying to accomplish. I was unclear about that until you cut threw the murky confusion with that razor sharp observation.

    Obviously at least one man is drinking the kool-aid in here.

    The time waste comment is obviously from my perspective, not hers.
    I know who's perspective it was from. I can read.

    Kool-aid is for kids and sheep. My opinion is my own. You can try to make clever jokes if you like but that doesn't negate the fact that someone here other than a dancer thinks that you are full of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Now I don't want to tell anyone how to make a living, but I do know that whining about the fact that it happens usually doesn't help, so why not find a way to profit from it?
    Maybe because most dancers would rather work in a clean environment rather than help the dirty girls make a living? Most of the dancers I know accept that there are a few dirty girls and hookers working in their club. Even though many of them realize that the dirty girls attract business on one level they also spend enough time fending-off time-wasters (there's that phrase again) who just want a phone number or sex that it is unlikely you will see clean girls joining forces with dirty girls in any sort of large numbers.

    Look, you can go into a strip club with whatever intent you like, it's a free country. The girls will wise-up to you just as quickly as they wise-up to the bar-fly-no-money guys. I suppose if you are traveling and won't be going to the club regularly you probably don't care what the majority of women are saying about you in the dressing room...
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    I know who's perspective it was from. I can read.

    Kool-aid is for kids and sheep. My opinion is my own. You can try to make clever jokes if you like but that doesn't negate the fact that someone here other than a dancer thinks that you are full of shit.

    LOL - there, there, no need to get your panties in a wad. I get it, you are _ _ man, hear you roar

    And if you are getting all worked up because you view yourself as the noble defender of the dancer, you are barking up the wrong tree. I have nothing against dancers, either "clean" or "dirty."

    If you don't do other stuff then great. If I meet you in the club, you will probably get some tip money from me, maybe a few drinks and a warm thank you for your time. I have never treated a dancer badly in a club, and if my subtle opening ("I never handle my stuff in these places") doesn't get a bite then cool - no harm no foul.

    If you have outside interests then great too. I never understand why anyone holds this against them. If you are responsible for their bills, buying food and clothes for their kids, etc., then you, IMO, have the right to criticize how they earn. Otherwise, God Bless.

    However, if you are just worked up because you don't like my opinion, then too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Maybe because most dancers would rather work in a clean environment rather than help the dirty girls make a living? Most of the dancers I know accept that there are a few dirty girls and hookers working in their club. Even though many of them realize that the dirty girls attract business on one level they also spend enough time fending-off time-wasters (there's that phrase again) who just want a phone number or sex that it is unlikely you will see clean girls joining forces with dirty girls in any sort of large numbers.

    Look, you can go into a strip club with whatever intent you like, it's a free country. The girls will wise-up to you just as quickly as they wise-up to the bar-fly-no-money guys. I suppose if you are traveling and won't be going to the club regularly you probably don't care what the majority of women are saying about you in the dressing room...

    Some fair points. This is why I have found a subtle way of hinting at it near the beginning, without it getting to an in your face moment. A smart girl understands in the first few seconds what my gig is and just walks away with no time lost. Like I said, I am sensitive to to the time issue and don't push at girls who are not looking for what I am.

    At some clubs it is a majority, but I will agree that at the top tier clubs the percentages shift are lower. God bless the mid-tier clubs! And I agree with the theory that the "clean" girls generally don't work with the dirty ones, but over time I have found a few that make more money off of referral work than they do in dances - lol.

    And you're right, I couldn't care less what the girls in the dressing room say about me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    LOL - there, there, no need to get your panties in a wad. I get it, you are _ _ man, hear you roar
    Dude, get off your high horse and get a clue. This isn't a strip club, it's an internet message board. You post, I post, everyone else posts. If you don't want contrary opinions, or if you just can't handle them, then go start a blog...
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    Default Re: Maximizing OTC Options When Traveling (one man's view)

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    Dude, get off your high horse and get a clue. This isn't a strip club, it's an internet message board. You post, I post, everyone else posts. If you don't want contrary opinions, or if you just can't handle them, then go start a blog...
    LOL - if I didn't want contrary opinions then I certainly wouldn't be posting on this site, now would I?

    Differences of opinion are the spice of life - I only questioned why you seemed to get so worked up. Full of shit? Someone who says that seems to be taking it personally. Go through my previous posts and you'll see that I never got worked up over anything that was said to me, even when the headcases that didn't like my opinions had degenerated into some exotic names and insults. But I expected the worked up stuff from the girls - not sure why another guy is taking it so seriously.

    Anyway, I am a lot of things, but full of shit isn't one of them. Asshole, bastard, caveman, etc., sure, I can see that, lol, but I have never lied here or anywhere else about who I am, what I do or what I have seen.

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    damn you got it all twisted...you're the one who's getting worked up writing paragraphs upon paragraphs, while yoda responds simply and concisely. you're not the brightest bulb in the bunch are ya?
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    Default Re: Maximizing OTC Options When Traveling (one man's view)

    1. This is the blue side, is it not?

    2. Certain strippers do offer OTC, and its therefore part of the business, one many in here obviously doh't agree with, although every single day on the pink side we see discussions among professional escorts about their businesses.

    3. 35% does sound a bit high, and for a group that in general won't even accept my (reasonable) estimate of 10% as an overall number for dancers that offer or encourage kissing for first time or initial VIP buying customers who are spending moderate to large amount of money for one night, I am not surprised they won't buy it.

    4. Obviously the OP doesn't like to order escorts like one orders a pizza, he probably wants some element of mutual chemistry that only in-person meetings can produce, and we are dealing with consenting adults performing acts outside the club, so I am not sure why this is so controversial

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