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    I can't believe why this didn't click with me sooner..I've been dancing about four months now and don't consider myself a good salesperson re: private shows but nevertheless I seem to have little problem doing as well as the other girls at a club..

    I had a customer last night, he wanted to go in for a private show with me..I told him upfront it's 20 per song with no limit. We were having a good time talking and I was dancing for him, but in the back of my mind I was making a mental note of how many songs were going on..at the tenth song I reminded him where we were at but said I'd like to continue, so we did.

    We hit 20 songs and he was getting a phone call from a friend so he had to leave..I told him the price and I could tell he turned a bit pale like oh shit that's a lot of money.

    But then I started thinking..I DID tell him up front what the price was and I made a reminder of where we were at halfway thru.

    In the past after each song I have asked guys if they wanted to continue but now I realize that's putting them into a question again and I'm having to resell another dance to the same person.

    When all along I should have done what I did last night, spelled out the price per song, and say something like..look I don't want to keep telling you what song it is cuz I don't want to break the mood, so I'm gonna keep you here and dance for you as long as you stay..

    I still feel a bit nervous about handing over a big ticket price when all the fun is over, but at the same time these guys/women are making decisions up front and I shouldnt be there to remind him constantly ..it breaks the flow, it creates another 'sale' decision, and if I've told him up front the price per song, then he can keep track too.

    Do you think this is fair? I don't like to manipulate or take advantage of anyone but then again I can clearly see my old approach of reminding them at each song immediately 'stops the boner head' and brings to mind the dollar head..

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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    I do the same thing, only in increments of 5 dances at a time, instead of 10 or more.
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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    I tell customers up front and if we're doing dance by dance and let the know how many we're at.

    When they start hemming and hawing I let them know how much extra dances will be. The price starts coming down at some point.

    If a customer agrees to a price and tries to pay you less hold him to it. Never promise more than you are going to deliver.

    If they just weren't happy they don't need to buy dances from you again.

    Very few customers have tried to pay me less than they owe me. I just remind them what we agreed upon in the beginning and that I delivered.

    Usually the expectations are way too high no matter what you say. I think that is very few customers. People know what's up.




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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    I agree with Kitana, you have to collect the money every few dances. Personally I collect every three dances, but get the money for the first set up front, which also normally allows me to peek into his wallet to make sure he has more cash or credit cards.
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    The past couple of months I've surveyed some custys re: counting songs and they all told me they would like to know because they can't keep track ... totally understandable. I also asked if telling them the song # if it breaks the mood and they all told me no ... they like knowing where they are (financially).

    IMO custys know how much they're willing to spend ... it's just a matter of getting to their limit, what ever their limit maybe ... whether that limit is what's in their wallet, or how much their willing to get out of the ATM.

    Read this thread, it's full of good info ...

    Selling more than a few dances?
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...t=92030&page=2


    I really like this dancer's advice:

    Lola Rose
    I've lately been trying to get them to where "no" means don't stop. b/c they're programmed to not spend alot, and that no means no more. This way it's in their not spending too much comfort zone, but they're still spending Like this:
    "do you want me to stop?"
    "do you want this to end?"
    "do you need a break?"

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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    Once they reach three dances, I let them know we are going in to the fourth, all the while I keep dancing (but I position myself to where I am either about to sit on their lap again or dance up-close in front of them)
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    I just say, " So, that was three, is it cool to keep going?"

    If/when they say yes, I let them know that we can check with the floor guy to see how many we have done at the end and that it is no problem for me to do so. That sort of reassurance usually helps them to relax a bit so that they can start counting from then on but not have to worry that I'll quote a higher dance count than we end up doing in the end.

    When we are at six and if I notice they seem to be thinking too much, I tell them, "We're at six, we gotta do 7, 7 is a lucky number!". If they want to stop, I will stop and smile and joke around with them. Normally, though, there's something about the '7th' dance that makes them want to get it and sometimes they want to keep going even more.

    I won't do more than ten without collecting unless I know they have money in their wallet/credit card or dance chips. They usually let me know that they do as we are heading to the lap dance area.

    I wouldn't recommend doing 10 dances without saying anything during them at all, because you may end up having the guy complain and lie and say that you didn't tell them up-front, even if you did. Normally, the guys who don't want to pay or try to pretend they didn't know will NOT be kicked out by management if they can't pay. If they are kicked out, they are usually still allowed to come back and they may avoid you like the plague. Or tell other customers that you are a ROB, whether you deserve the title or not.

    The best way to keep the guy in the know is to have plenty of transitions during your dances. Make a distinct move that flows into the next song that entices them to say, yet also marks the distinction from one song to another.

    Also, dancing sloooowly draws out their anticipation and makes them keep wondering what comes next. You don't need many different moves while you are dancing, but you shouldn't do all of them during the first song or two.
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    you HAVE to collect money up front for the first dance and then after that every 2 or 3... I won't even stack 5 anymore because when I was new I used to stack 10 or 20 (at a $20/song club) and when the guys got the number they either paid with a lot of regret or just LEFT. not losing money like that anymore.

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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    I really like this dancer's advice:

    Lola Rose
    I've lately been trying to get them to where "no" means don't stop. b/c they're programmed to not spend alot, and that no means no more. This way it's in their not spending too much comfort zone, but they're still spending Like this:
    "do you want me to stop?"
    "do you want this to end?"
    "do you need a break?"
    [/QUOTE]

    I worked with her. Genius girl. Top-earner. totally stole those lines and I use them all the time- they work very well- but you have to say them convincingly for them to work. When I use them too much they lose their power

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    Hmmm... you've been dancing for 4 months, this post probably should be in the Newbie section and not Hustle Hut. This is a total newbie question as just getting more experience with trying this approach will guide you in how to use it. Like anything there are guys this works with and guys it doesn't. But honestly this was a huge let down after reading the thread title.

    Good luck though. Perhaps I'm being an old-school bitch, but I wouldn't dream of starting a thread in HH like I have some new type of information after dancing for 4 months like "back in the day." But I guess everything's gone to hell anyway.

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    well have my thread re-directed , jesus ..i didnt claim to be a veteran and the topic had to do with hustling. it worked for me the other night and it works for the old timers at my club which is definitely more focused on private shows than VIP or anything else.


    thanks for the posts from others
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    he had asked me at song five, where we at? five? and i said yes..and then I mentioned to him again at ten. i always collect for the first few songs up front and so doing see what's in their wallet.

    seriously he had me back there for over an hour ...he knows that's going to add up.

    and..i always tell them each song averages about 4 minutes. Is it my responsibility to monitor him if he loses track of time?

    I'm not trying to be argumentative..at all..I'm just exploring this idea of having made the sale, do I want to keep reminding him about money? Doesn't that put him back in logical money thinking mode again instead of automatic mode? I'm not trying to cheat him ..it's spelled out up front..but once the price has been discussed and I do what I say I'm going to do , then isn't a constant reminder of price a boner killer?

    ..as a side note I do not leave a guy wondering what he's going to get to touch or not touch. I know some dancers leave the mystery but I think it's a bit misleading and will result in more frustration from a guy who's back there thinking the more he pays the more he gets to touch. I don't ever tell a guy hey let's go in back and I'll let you put your hands all over my body. I'm straight up and show him where he can put his hands..if he thinks he's going to score, so be it but it's not because I'm misleading him by telling him he might get to touch all over my body or 'let's see what happens'

    but then i'm a newb

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    then re-direct the thread honestly for christ sake the subject had to to do with HUSTLING ..if the thread police want to redirect the thread and ticket me, go for it

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcon View Post
    Hmmm... you've been dancing for 4 months, this post probably should be in the Newbie section and not Hustle Hut. This is a total newbie question as just getting more experience with trying this approach will guide you in how to use it. Like anything there are guys this works with and guys it doesn't. But honestly this was a huge let down after reading the thread title.

    Good luck though. Perhaps I'm being an old-school bitch, but I wouldn't dream of starting a thread in HH like I have some new type of information after dancing for 4 months like "back in the day." But I guess everything's gone to hell anyway.

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    I'm not sure where it was mentioned to mislead them into thinking you will do more. Simply, don't burst out your entire repertoire of dance moves in the first dance or two or transition too quickly, There are clean ways to build tension by drawing out each move instead of looking 'rehearsed'. That was my main point, in case it was mis-interpreted.

    Take note of what he notices and admires the most on you: your legs, hair, boobs, what have you, and focus on highlighting that/those during your dance. Keep in mind any compliment he gives you on a certain attribute and work with that. C'est tout! ;P
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    Default Re: duh small detail on hustling finally hit me

    You had to keep track on the time for each show at your club?
    Mine has the staff coming in and telling the custie that time is up,

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    At my current club, it is up to us to collect our money and we are instructed to do it up front, so if a customer walks out owing us money, the club will not try to stop him. I do not stop and collect every song because it would severely reduce my sales and I have never been walked out on at this club...but it is good to know your club's policy on this before you decide how much to risk.

    Now, I ask a guy between songs if he wants to continue until he buys a third song. Then I just say, "Just let me know when you need a break, honey." and count the songs myself. Every two or three, I will just whisper the number in his ear while I am doing a move.

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