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    I am sickened by these stories. I come from an era (old) where the dancers actually danced on stage or did pole tricks. I did jazz dancing often on stage. I actually remember at some clubs the guy could only put tips in your garter (and had to make it brief). Even when I've done bachelor parties they never got that dirty. I did the grabbing the money but I did it with my thighs and had panties on when I did it (and it had better be 20's because otherwise I'd just grab the money with my hands. It's stories like this that make me happy I have long retired from club dancing. Once again, I'll repeat this, but younger dancers really missed out on the 90's where clubs were clean and all about entertainment.

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    ^^^ Yes, but if you talk to burlesque dancers many of them were disgusted by the dancers of the 70's, 80's, & 90's. They felt like many things were already becoming terrible, including the floor work, having to mingle with customers, and lap dances. It goes down with every generation.


    Regarding and earlier post about the features doing things that are illegal. Yes, that does happen, and often owners or managers encourage it. I've only ever been at one club where the owner freaked out about it after a duo started doing simulated sex acts that were illegal in the state. Interestingly enough he was dating one of the girls, and after being told not to do it they STILL did it at the following performances. Another situation occurred last summer when management told a feature that they wanted her to perform nude in a topless club (legally she couldn't perform nude) and basically blackmailed her. I don't remember the full details of it but the report was on AI News. The club was a big chain club too, which is what was more surprising to me.

    So yes, sometimes illegal stuff does happen... sometimes dancers feel pressured into doing things that they shouldn't.

    I don't think ignoring it helps. If you know something isn't right you need to face it, otherwise it will get worse - exactly as many burlesque dancers in years gone by predicted.
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    ^ Agreed. But if management doesn't give a shit, then I don't think it's helpful for the dancers to pay attention. I may as well ignore it, focus on my own hustle, and continue making money.

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    ^^^ When management doesn't care you take it to the owner or board of directors. If they get caught they will have to pay a hefty fine or possibly get shut down, so most of them DO care. If they don't care I suggest switching clubs and reporting it anonymously to the police, or just reporting it period.
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    ^ It's the only club in my city. I like everything else about it. I BANK there. The last thing I'm going to do is get my hands dirty in the law and deal with a bunch of bull. I stick to myself, don't pay attention to any of the other girls, make my money, and go home.

    I don't have the time or energy to devote to taking all of those steps. Shrugs.

    ETA: And trust me...I've gone through periods where I've considered reporting them to the police. My city hates the sex industry (we're only allowed to keep the strip club because of a grandfather clause) and they'd love to have any excuse to shut it down. But ultimately I'd be ruining the women's lives who need the money and intruding on something I'd just rather leave be.

    It's the sad truth, perhaps, but it really wouldn't be worth it for me to do anything at this point. Oh, and the owner doesn't care.

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    ^^^ That's a choice you are making then, but not the only option, especially for someone who doesn't like where the industry is going.
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    I guess I don't really see it as much of an option. Seems like a hell of a lose-lose situation for all involved. And to what end? To prove a point? Yeah...not liking the sound of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    ^^^ Yes, but if you talk to burlesque dancers many of them were disgusted by the dancers of the 70's, 80's, & 90's. They felt like many things were already becoming terrible, including the floor work, having to mingle with customers, and lap dances. It goes down with every generation
    Very true and I do remember one of the top burlesque performers commenting on table dances in the 90's. If they thought it was bad then, I'd be curious what the remaining performers thinks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I guess I don't really see it as much of an option. Seems like a hell of a lose-lose situation for all involved. And to what end? To prove a point? Yeah...not liking the sound of that.
    The chances that the club would actually be closed down is very unlikely. The court has to see a major case against a club to close it down. If anything reporting anonymously to the police will probably result in a ticket to the dancer(s) breaking the law, potentially a few that were un-reported and also breaking the laws.

    Also, generally rather than actually close a club fully down the court will take the club temporarily out of business. That means there is an opportunity for a new owner to come in and transfer the licenses and clean the club up. That's not done on a whim though, again that requires the club having a major case brought against them and typically by that time they've already been ticketed/fined numerous times.

    I think the bigger "lose" is letting illegal things (often acts classified by law as prostitution) occur until it gets to the point that all dancers feel like they are forced to do them in order to make money or else get out of the business. That is dooming this whole industry to become nothing but prostitution. Wouldn't you rather keep it as a clean (or relatively clean) industry where people can make fast money without having to do things that are illegal and they may not be comfortable doing?
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    Shit happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I guess I don't really see it as much of an option. Seems like a hell of a lose-lose situation for all involved. And to what end? To prove a point? Yeah...not liking the sound of that.
    I agree. The police dept is very unlikely to respond at my club even if a 'tip' was given to investigate the club. The police dept could issue fines to 'innocent' dancers and we all risk being swept up and charged with bogus charges. The law states that we are to be 2 feet away from every customer while nude, and we are not suppossed to have "sexual contact" (as in touching boobs, butt, or rubbing them anywhere on the customer) so we are suppossed to give clothed air dances and dance nude onstage while staying 2 ft away. Nobody follows this and our club would get ZERO business if we did because we are not the only club in the area (there are plenty) and they surely wouldn't follow it. They didn't even follow it when it first took effect and we followed it for a month or two. Talking to mgmt usually does nothing, because most mgmt does not care. I need my club to be open and I need to make money. As long as I can make a decent living doing whats comfy for me I'm okay. I'll have to put up with stupid girls doing whatever for a dollar.

    I've seen girls pick up dollars off guys faces with their naked crotch/ass, and I will never understand it. Its just disgusting. My tips may suffer a bit because I not gonna rub or wave my vag up in guy's face for a couple bucks. I am good looking and friendly. I don't completely ignore the stage, but I don't let it affect me. I go up there, smile, enjoy my time up, collect any tips and leave. I love that I can't really see much in the PD rooms, because when I did I was usually HORRIFIED.
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    Back in the days that shit was common in your area. When I was there the stuff I use to see on stage was so fucking x rated but liquor commission and vice was paid off so no one got busted. Hell, one of the main clubs back then use to service the undercover vice. Crazy stuff!

    As years passed the head of liquor commission changed and the new one fired all of the guys on the take. Not sure what the situation was w/ vice. The industry changed to conservative ... taking $$ in garters only ... well in the high profile clubs ... of course some girls would still sneak taking $$ w/ their tits.

    It's only certain clubs in your area that's doing horrid stuff on stage. The 3 main clubs ... you know which ones I'm referring to ... are not allowing any type of shit on stage at all! Hell, last year I got in trouble for leaning over on stage w/ my hands on a custy's shoulder ... yep it's that strict at my old club there ... but of course some dancers will still try to sneak taking $$ in ways they're not suppose to ... it's just a matter if the owner is around to bust the girl or not.

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    I agree. The police dept is very unlikely to respond at my club even if a 'tip' was given to investigate the club. The police dept could issue fines to 'innocent' dancers and we all risk being swept up and charged with bogus charges. The law states that we are to be 2 feet away from every customer while nude, and we are not suppossed to have "sexual contact" (as in touching boobs, butt, or rubbing them anywhere on the customer) so we are suppossed to give clothed air dances and dance nude onstage while staying 2 ft away. Nobody follows this and our club would get ZERO business if we did because we are not the only club in the area (there are plenty) and they surely wouldn't follow it. They didn't even follow it when it first took effect and we followed it for a month or two. Talking to mgmt usually does nothing, because most mgmt does not care. I need my club to be open and I need to make money. As long as I can make a decent living doing whats comfy for me I'm okay. I'll have to put up with stupid girls doing whatever for a dollar.

    I've seen girls pick up dollars off guys faces with their naked crotch/ass, and I will never understand it. Its just disgusting. My tips may suffer a bit because I not gonna rub or wave my vag up in guy's face for a couple bucks. I am good looking and friendly. I don't completely ignore the stage, but I don't let it affect me. I go up there, smile, enjoy my time up, collect any tips and leave. I love that I can't really see much in the PD rooms, because when I did I was usually HORRIFIED.
    QFT.

    Also, when I said that I ignore the stage, I meant that I ignore it when other girls are up there. I still go up and take my turn.

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    at most of the clubs i have worked at they watch the stage pretty well, however there are still the girls that are touching themselves on stage and giving basically a lap dance while they are onstage. there was a guy the other day that came out of the couch room and immedietly put hand sanitizer on his hands, obviously he also had been in a dance with a girl who is notorious for sucking dick and letting guys finger her in the back and fucking guys, so i put two and two together. it makes me sick to even think about what alot of these girls will do for a cou-ple dollars, or even a pill, or some heroin.
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    to comment on what was said above:^ if someone goes to the police department here, they check the club out, howwever right now im in lexington and the club i was dancing at is very very well known by narcotics and general police as a place where people go to get drugs. drug dealers hang out in there all the time, the girls do dances for whatever they do in the couchroom for drugs. it messes up everyones hustle when girls do this becuase there are no real customers in the club, none of those drug dealers are going to buy a dance from a girl who wont take payment in drugs. i have a bunch of friends who are police officers and most of them told me to get out of there, they said that they get tips and send narcotics in there, (which two girls just got arresdted for kissing am undercover and taking money for oral sex) narcotics scopes it out and then makes arrests. i left there recently, after i had found a lot of this out. like alot of you have said, when you are busy you are not in the gossip loop, i have stayed out of the gossip loop for a while and therefore get a lof of my information from the DJ or the police whoknow that club. I am currently testing for a police related job and cannot afford to be seen in that club by any cops i know, i also cannot afford to pick up some boghus charge related to some lame contact law im breaking or something to that effect.
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    I really guess it depends a lot on where you are. I just started a this club and literally you name it, I've seen it happen on stage, girl-on-girl kissing, pussy in the mouth, taking dollars with every body part and almost every girl lays on stage and spreads her legs right into customer's faces... Still, I and a couple of other girls just do the bare minimum and still make money. It all depends on how far you're willing to go, but I don't think the ones that do less get less money. If anything, it might be the opposite..

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    ^ Agreed...it seems like cheaper acts attract cheaper customers.

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    For sure.. At least at my club, the girls that go all out will have the cheap young guys around them, that tip little and maybe even "recycle" and take the dollar bills from stage to re-tip... The older, usually spender type customers, don't seem to like it too much and always go for the classier girls and spend hours in the champagne room. Although I honestly think that there might be stuff going on there that I don't wanna know about...

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    my club just did the girl/girl pussy eating on stage last week... (i thought that was illegal anyway) but those girls made about 1100 EACH. i'm not about ready to let some skank lick me on stage, so i have to sit back and make 50 bucks on those nights. ~totally skanky in my opinion

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    whoa whoa whoa. 1100 to receive oral from another lady is not a bad deal. what club is this? *packs*

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    my club just did the girl/girl pussy eating on stage last week... (i thought that was illegal anyway) but those girls made about 1100 EACH. i'm not about ready to let some skank lick me on stage, so i have to sit back and make 50 bucks on those nights. ~totally skanky in my opinion
    Are you sure they were ACTUALLY licking each other?
    A club I worked at.. let girls do this on stage, one girl will give a tip to the other (from a custy) and go on stage with her and one would go down on her without her underwear and pretend to lick her, mostly cover her face with her hair and just move her head.

    Even though they were just pretending, its not worth it at all, guys were loving it, but none of them tipped not even 10$.. so why even bother even making 50 (which wont happen on stage here) just to do that. It partically makes the guy thinkj he can do it on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdventureBaby View Post
    Back in the days that shit was common in your area. When I was there the stuff I use to see on stage was so fucking x rated but liquor commission and vice was paid off so no one got busted. Hell, one of the main clubs back then use to service the undercover vice. Crazy stuff!

    As years passed the head of liquor commission changed and the new one fired all of the guys on the take. Not sure what the situation was w/ vice. The industry changed to conservative ... taking $$ in garters only ... well in the high profile clubs ... of course some girls would still sneak taking $$ w/ their tits.


    You reminded me of something I was told by a then older dancer. I got into dancing during the era of no touch gentlemens clubs. We could only take money in garters, and had to watch what we did (including not touching ourselves). One of the dancers told me that a few years earlier, most of the strip clubs were in fact brothels and sex is what they sold. I know older male friends who've told me stories of losing their virginity at these clubs (or getting their first blowjob). These clubs started closing up and became the clubs where no touch was the rule. I've worked with a few dancers who started at these brothel clubs, went into gentlemens clubs and they told me so many sad stories. I am glad I never encountered all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisca View Post
    Are you sure they were ACTUALLY licking each other?
    A club I worked at.. let girls do this on stage, one girl will give a tip to the other (from a custy) and go on stage with her and one would go down on her without her underwear and pretend to lick her, mostly cover her face with her hair and just move her head.

    Even though they were just pretending, its not worth it at all, guys were loving it, but none of them tipped not even 10$.. so why even bother even making 50 (which wont happen on stage here) just to do that. It partically makes the guy thinkj he can do it on you.
    yes, this was full on pussy eating... i saw a tongue buried in the others pussy. the fucking club SMELLED like pussy. they did it inches from the custys faces and made at least 5-600 each

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    ^2 sets btw

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    There's one girl at my club who will rub her pussy and finger herself while smiling at customers, ESPECIALLY ones that other dancers are sitting with. And she'll say cheesy shit like "It won't tip itself!" or "C'mon, isn't THIS worth a dollar??"

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