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    Default How NOT to stack dances

    When you get to the LD room, ask first thing out of your mouth, "how many do you want?"

    Then, even though the current song is halfway over, immediately start some lackluster grinding and dirty talk, like "oh baby, do you like my pussy grinding on your cock?" Even though I don't respond with dirty talk, keep it up.

    Then when the 1/2 song is over, ask "do you want to go again?" No mention that it was only 1/2 a song, or offer to go halfway into the next song.

    No. No, I do not want to go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello-kitty View Post
    thank you for telling us dancers how to do our job
    If ALL dancers knew how to do their job, then this would have never occurred, non?

    If you wouldn't do this, then don't take offense -- obviously, nothing personal to you. Some people are so touchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello-kitty View Post
    thank you for telling us dancers how to do our job
    He's not telling anyone how to do their job. He is telling you what he likes...

    For the most part I agree with Eman though, honestly, I can't imagine even winding up in the LD area with a dancer who is that outwardly mercenary. I'm not a big believer in "the fantasy". I don't walk into a strip club and try to fool myself into thinking that a hot stripper is interested in anything but my wallet. That being said, I do expect the lady to be interested enough in getting my money to actually treat me like a human being and not an ATM.

    Dancing is hard work. Hard hustle is a turn-off and, to me at least, the easy approach. It's a lot harder to be engaging and interesting than it is to just do the "wanna dance" thing. Over the years I have spent a lot more money on girls who say "let's wait until the next song starts" then I have on the ones who act like the lady in Eman's example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hello-kitty View Post
    thank you for telling us dancers how to do our job
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post

    Dancing is hard work. Hard hustle is a turn-off and, to me at least, the easy approach. It's a lot harder to be engaging and interesting than it is to just do the "wanna dance" thing. Over the years I have spent a lot more money on girls who say "let's wait until the next song starts" then I have on the ones who act like the lady in Eman's example.
    I don't think its such hard work. Anyone who has a basic clue into human nature should know better than to pull the tricks that Eman's stripper did. Obviously the girl was new, stupid, drunk, lazy, or burnt out. Sucks to spend money on poor service though, that's fo sho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    the girl was new, stupid, lazy
    I think these.

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    I agree with Everyman on this... what was she thinking? Yuck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    I don't think its such hard work. Anyone who has a basic clue into human nature should know better than to pull the tricks that Eman's stripper did. Obviously the girl was new, stupid, drunk, lazy, or burnt out. Sucks to spend money on poor service though, that's fo sho.
    I think that's a better way of putting it. The things you are talking about come easier to some girls than to others. Drunk, stupid or burnt out all result in lazy sooner or later!

    Yes, human nature is what it's all about. It's amazing how many people-dancers and customers-don't get that...
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    True dat, yoda. Being, being the grizzled old stripper and also through my other sales experience, I forget that some people never seen to get clue.

    I didn't mind dumbasses like that when I was a dancer, it meant more custy for me, because those girls couldn't keep a guy in lapdances for very long until he sought out another.

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    Default Re: How NOT to stack dances

    If a dancer asks you half way through a song what you want to do it doesn't mean the song is over.

    It means they're going to start fresh on the next song.

    I hate it when customers down girls for not knowing about business even though we're the ones making a living negotiating.

    Customers sabotage themselves all the time by being paranoid. Get to know your dancer so you know what to expect.




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    Default Re: How NOT to stack dances

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    If a dancer asks you half way through a song what you want to do it doesn't mean the song is over.

    It means they're going to start fresh on the next song.

    I hate it when customers down girls for not knowing about business even though we're the ones making a living negotiating.

    Customers sabotage themselves all the time by being paranoid. Get to know your dancer so you know what to expect.
    What Everyman is saying is that she started dancing even though the song was half over and then charged him for a full song. It happens. I've been in that situation myself and probably in the same club. There are some girls there who try and pull that trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannisary View Post
    What Everyman is saying is that she started dancing even though the song was half over and then charged him for a full song. It happens. I've been in that situation myself and probably in the same club. There are some girls there who try and pull that trick.
    Yes. I'm not sure what hacks was trying to say, but the intent of the girl's question was "song 1 is over. Do you want to go to song 2?"

    It's actually very rare for me to get scammed like this, so I was caught off guard. I don't protest (what's the point, to get another 1/2 song of a shitty dance?), I just politely pay and know never to patronize them again. These are the things I have experienced when entering the LD room mid-song, from most common to least:

    1) The girl will say "let's start on the next song."

    2) The girl will ask, "wanna start on the next song?"

    3) Nothing explicit is said, but we both sit chit-chatting until the next song starts (we're both veterans who know the score).

    4) The girl says, "I'll dance for the rest of this song but we won't start for pay until the next one." While "nice", I know this is an angle for bigger tip, but without fail the girls who do this are gooooood private dancers who I then do repeat business with. I can't remember someone who did this who then gave a shitty dance.

    5) She starts dancing right away and counts it as a full song.

    Everything is fine except #5. If I see this coming I might say, "let's start on the next song," for some reason I just didn't this time.

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    Oh no, I always say "let's start on the next song" unless the song like JUST began and then I ask if it's okay for me to start now since the song just began. If he declines, then we just sit and get to know each other for a bit before the next song starts OR I start negotiating multiple dances.

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    psst, some clubs have timers and not songs- timers that the custyies either can't see or don't know about. sometimes this is an issue at my club, i get the "but the song ain't over" crap - my song is 4 min from the time i push the button which i push when his ass hits the couch
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    This looks like a one-off that you're blowing up into a crusade. I'll start wherever in the song and go to that exact point in the next. One verse in then I stop one verse into the next. No big deal. If they want to wait for the next that's cool too. I've also had guys stop mid-song and say "Oh I didn't realize how many songs it was so let's stop now but please don't charge me". Gamesmanship goes both ways. Frickin' speak up next time.
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    Forget mid-song starts up followedbmid-song exits, or worse dancerss that rip off the customer. Better to use it as a selling tool.

    Lets be realistic, how many dancers just go all night non-stop lap after lap customer after customer. Its very rare. Ok, so when a dancer gets the chance to create goodwill with a puying customer (since he's buying at least one dance) then it is very smart business- and that goodwill can increases the odds of buying multiple dances.

    So "lets wait until the next song" , and lets say its 2 minutes wait, just relaxing off the clock in a sense. , that in and of itself can be a selling tool

    iIn fact I think its possible (with many customers) it might be wise for a dancer to INTENTIONALLY reach the booth 1/3 or 1/2 way or earlier through a song, just so they can have this (no clock running) waiting period.

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    Oh, I've totally started in the middle of a song and gone to the middle of the next song when the club is super packed and there is no time to waste. I will always ask the gentleman if this is ok. If its not, I will wait until next song.

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    This thread is a total reinforcement for me of why I love my regulars and tend to buy dances in increments of time rather than songs...
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    5) She starts dancing right away and counts it as a full song.

    Everything is fine except #5. If I see this coming I might say, "let's start on the next song,"
    Maybe it's just the area I work in but I always do it this way if the timing is appropriate.

    When customers say "let's start on the next song" I just tell them to relax because no one is timing anything and if they want to play by the book they're not going to have as much fun. This is a place where we break rules and get away from the norm.

    Very few guys have not gotten a second dance and it's usually the ones who don't feel comfortable about letting someone else take control.

    It could just be my personality too. I'm good at defusing the skeptics. Then of course there are just people who are super stubborn in that case there is not much I am going to do to try and help them.

    That is why I say some customers sabotage themselves.




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    I see what you're saying Stripper Hacks...but I think the girl discussed in the OP just danced for literally, less than half a song and was ready to charge for the next. The rest of her behavior supports it. I'm not trying to side with a customer for no reason, but even I have had such lazy dancing done for me, and I never buy a second dance as well.

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    I wouldn't ever give a guy half a song, because I surely wouldn't want half a payment. If I start a song in the middle, which I usually will not do, I will go into the next song. I like to treat customers with respect, and I expect to be respected back. That is inexcusable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    Maybe it's just the area I work in but I always do it this way if the timing is appropriate.

    When customers say "let's start on the next song" I just tell them to relax because no one is timing anything and if they want to play by the book they're not going to have as much fun. This is a place where we break rules and get away from the norm.

    Very few guys have not gotten a second dance and it's usually the ones who don't feel comfortable about letting someone else take control.

    It could just be my personality too. I'm good at defusing the skeptics. Then of course there are just people who are super stubborn in that case there is not much I am going to do to try and help them.

    That is why I say some customers sabotage themselves.
    I still can't tell what you're saying amid all the fog...do you charge for the first 1/2 song, or do you not? You could be #4 in my list instead of #5, in which case that's great. If you do charge for 1/2 a song, as Carmen says that's just not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    I don't think its such hard work. Anyone who has a basic clue into human nature should know better than to pull the tricks that Eman's stripper did. Obviously the girl was new, stupid, drunk, lazy, or burnt out. Sucks to spend money on poor service though, that's fo sho.
    I agree that I don't think it's such hard work if you are cut out for sales.

    Most people don't think of stripping as sales, but it is. You're selling yourself...your physical features, your personality, a fantasy, etc...or combinations of these things. If you're cut out for this, it's not hard work. All you have to do is "be on" all the time. If you're good at it, it's not hard...I am in sales and the actual "sales presentation" part of my job is the easiest part.

    It's all the other stuff I have to do that is hard...preparing for my sales calls, following up on them, post-sales service work, prospecting, managing my customer base, getting orders, etc. If all I had to do was the actual sales presentations themselves, it'd be cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    Maybe it's just the area I work in but I always do it this way if the timing is appropriate.

    When customers say "let's start on the next song" I just tell them to relax because no one is timing anything and if they want to play by the book they're not going to have as much fun. This is a place where we break rules and get away from the norm.

    Very few guys have not gotten a second dance and it's usually the ones who don't feel comfortable about letting someone else take control.

    It could just be my personality too. I'm good at defusing the skeptics. Then of course there are just people who are super stubborn in that case there is not much I am going to do to try and help them.

    That is why I say some customers sabotage themselves.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this...it's a little vague.

    The OP has a point, and every PL has had one of the following things happen...

    1-Girls start dancing at some point after a song has begun, but charges for a full dance
    2-Girl finishes lapdance before the song is fully over
    3-Girl starts hustling the customer for more LDs halfway through the LD.

    A LD lasts maybe 5 minutes, tops...usually 3-4. why is this sequence so hard for some strippers?

    1-Guy buys a LD
    2-Girl says "let's start on the next song, ok?"
    3-Girl strips down while the current song is playing (so she's topless/nude/whatever the rules are for the LD song to begin)
    4-Girl and customer talk a little while the current song finishes
    5-LD begins when the next song starts
    6-When LD is over, girl sits with customer and says "how about another one?"
    7-If guy agrees, and the song has already begun, offer to start again on the next song, or hell...just do a song and half for one. You'll likely get a decent tip for doing so, and you're out a half a song or whatever. This makes the guy feel like he got extra-special treatment and you make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post

    1-Guy buys a LD
    2-Girl says "let's start on the next song, ok?"
    3-Girl strips down while the current song is playing (so she's topless/nude/whatever the rules are for the LD song to begin)
    4-Girl and customer talk a little while the current song finishes
    5-LD begins when the next song starts
    6-When LD is over, girl sits with customer and says "how about another one?"
    7-If guy agrees, and the song has already begun, offer to start again on the next song, or hell...just do a song and half for one. You'll likely get a decent tip for doing so, and you're out a half a song or whatever. This makes the guy feel like he got extra-special treatment and you make money.
    Fuck that noise.

    You sell the next just as the current one is ending. Most of us know exactly when all the fucking Nickleback and Akon songs start and end, so its easy to time it so that they are getting a full song, and you don't waste a song in between not making money. Then the cust also has another entire song to lose his mojo and not continue spending. Any decent stripper who's been dancing more than a week learns how to seductively whisper in an ear as the DJ's shrill voices begins to babble......"shall we continue...."


    Also, taking off all your clothes before the song begins is also failboat. Most custies, even as polled in Blue, enjoy the 'strip' part about the dance, so long as it doesn't last too long.

    Also, that 1.5 song MAY work, but tipping isn't the norm everywhere. For example, in Texas, its pretty rare and custies get really offended when you ask (some). Its a chance a dancer may take if she senses the custy will bring in lots more money, but its not something to be done with 90% of custs.
    BAD advice for strippers Hyde. Good for you, bad for strippers.

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