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    I am shaking so bad right now... I went to a party with my friend Penny, who is black. Her kids are mixed, her man is hispanic. Whatever, we get along great. I don't see color with her, she is just my best friend. The evening was off to a great start. Hung out, met some cool people including this guy that was pretty cool. I'm not usually into black guys, but again he was cool. I have never really seen color. We're talking about everything under the sun and having a great time when these 2 women interrupt us. "Oh they said you was back here with some white bitch" I was livid. Yeah I used certain words that would have Jesse Jackson on my ass. penny heard me. She wasn't pissed. I'm not white, first of all. second of all, if I had walked up to one of my male friends and said something like "Oh, I heard you were back here with a n-$#@@@" my ass woulda gotten a beat down. So why the fuck do people like that think its ok to be racist? I have never in my life seen color. So why is it that some African americans see is color? Martin Luther King once hoped people would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Ironic that his words go unheeded by the very community he tried to help and gave his life for.
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    you mentioned the color of your friend and even the ethnic category of her dude. it is pretty obvious you 'see color', because you knew that much about both of them.

    you also appear to 'see color' in your generalization of how 'most african-americans' feel or view race and ethnicity.

    there are some true colors shining through here, but not really 'omg those darn BLACKBLACKASTHENIGHTIMEANAFRICANAMERICAN people are so freaking racist!' colors.

    you also get a 'i'm not racist BUUUT' card for the mlk reference. try reading his letter from birmingham jail for a little perspective.

    i am not really sure why one random black person saying something pretty incidental (rude, but also quite minor in the grand scheme of whatnots) is equal to 'most african-americans'. it is interesting how you also don't 'see' individual black people as...individuals, but as only representatives of some kind of NegroMonolith that is 'racist' and 'only sees color'.

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    ^Possibly because those things are relevant to her post?
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    ok i edited it. I just wanted to clarify that I did edit a couple of words. I meant to put in some, not a majority. I just didnt appreciate being referred to as a "white bitch" when I have never even said the N bomb in a deragatory and hurtful way. Lets face it, if I had gone up to any African American woman in as cavalier manner as they did, there would have been a huge outcry. I'm not really too mad about it now, but I wanted to call more attention to a huge double standard in our society.
    The ironic thing is, my family is racist as fuck. My father is white, my mom is Hispanic. My mom's family refers to my dads side as "those crazy gueros" (white people) My fathers side is Scotch-Irish, so my mothers side is referred to as "spics" "beaners" or "wetbacks". All my life I have had to put up with shit. In elementary, because I couldn't speak Spanish, I was taunted and called guera (white girl) Growing up in Oklahoma, I was referred to as "half breed" and "spic mick" I vowed that I never would be like any of my family. I've dealt with racism my whole life. I cited my friend's race as well as that of her children and her boyfriend to illustrate that my closest circle has people from all walks of life.
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    Personally I don't find 'white bitch' equivalent to the n word. I don't think anything's equivalent to that.

    That being said, it's still offensive. However, when someone is oppressed, they sometimes lash out at those that represent the oppressor.

    It takes a lot of time to mend wounds that are still causing a lot of issues between people of other races.

    Obviously the guy you were talking to didn't have a problem with your race, and who knows, maybe the girls were jealous because they liked him so they just wanted to hurt you. If that's the case, it likely wasn't about your race at all but just about the fact that they wanted to hurt you in the easiest manner possible. It's like how people call strippers 'whores' to get under their skin; it's just the easiest insult and one they hope will cause the greatest offense.

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    K. The thing is....that comments like hers only become an issue if you react to them.

    Don't lower yourself to her level. She is only showing her ignorance, and if she has a problem with white girls then it's for her to sort out.

    Besides, I reading your post I don't think that it was said with any real deep malice, and she certainly didn't make a personal attack towards you. Plenty of black folks talk like that all the time anyway, so I think she was either just doing it out of habit...or to try to wind you up.

    She succeeded. Next time...ignore it.
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    i agree with you, there seems to be some reverse racism these days. imho unfortunately that is what happens when the goverment focuses too much on things like affirmative action, which has potential to make some of the people who are minorities feel like theyre entitled to preferntial treatment just because of their race/ethnicity, and look down at the "non minority" people (usually white) to be "bad". i say they should treat everyone equally. i also say that when they teach pluralism and diversity classes in school, and they teach about how to rise about racial stereotypes and prejudice, they should raise awareness of LOTS of different racial prejudices -- not just about "whites prejudice against blacks". prejudice is not nearly as one-dimensional of an issue as alot of traditional school programs make it out to be.

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    ^Possibly because those things are relevant to her post?
    exactly. also, the fact that penny wasnt mad and was most likely in agreeance with the OP, and IS black, demonstrates even more just how out-of-line those two girls were.

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    I'm sorry but I have to agree. It's okay for anyone of color (be it latino/hispanic - same difference - african american, ect) to say shit but the moment someone of caucasian or someone who looks to be, desent, but isn't, is immeaditely in hot water. I had something happen to me on a city bus - bus driver was black, I didn't notice, until I got kicked off. There was this kid who had his music blaring and on buses there are signs stating 'No smoking, no open containers or food, and no loud music'. People were looking uncomfortable so I asked the kid if he would turn it down. He didn't. I asked the bus driver to request this guy to turn his music down. He still wouldn't. Finally he got off the bus but by then that guy and I were mouthing off to eachother. As the bus started moving off I apologized in advance and dropped the n-bomb and immeaditely apologized after I said it. Bus driver slammed the brakes and told me "Off" - I apologized left and right which certainly didn't help my case apparently, and found myself on the road having to ride my bike the final mile to the bus station. The irritating part is, I've seen other people get out of line and the driver will let them know at least once or twice before they kick that person off. This guy didn't give me a warning, or anything, despite my apologies. He just let that guy keep his music as it was and that guy made no apologies whatsoever. It was infuriating. Needless to say I called and complained as I felt it was discrimination, even though I had brought some of it on myself and tried to right my wrong. Anyway.....sorry, but I have to agree with the poster on this - it's okay for them to call eachother names but the moment someone else does party's over. Not cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I am shaking so bad right now... I went to a party with my friend Penny, who is black. Her kids are mixed, her man is hispanic. Whatever, we get along great. I don't see color with her, she is just my best friend. The evening was off to a great start. Hung out, met some cool people including this guy that was pretty cool. I'm not usually into black guys, but again he was cool. I have never really seen color. We're talking about everything under the sun and having a great time when these 2 women interrupt us. "Oh they said you was back here with some white bitch" I was livid. Yeah I used certain words that would have Jesse Jackson on my ass. penny heard me. She wasn't pissed. I'm not white, first of all. second of all, if I had walked up to one of my male friends and said something like "Oh, I heard you were back here with a n-$#@@@" my ass woulda gotten a beat down. So why the fuck do people like that think its ok to be racist? I have never in my life seen color. So why is it that some African americans see is color? Martin Luther King once hoped people would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Ironic that his words go unheeded by the very community he tried to help and gave his life for.
    For me, I have HAD to see color. first, being black is a huge part of me...to ignore that part is to not see my history, my upbringing, how i see myself. I think that this may be true for other black people and minorities. Idk, i'm just guessing. also, i feel that I couldn't afford to NOT see color, esp. my own. I grew up in bumfuck, mississippi where if i went to some parts of town, i would have issues, and i would be followed in stores and i would be called "n*gg#@" like it was my gov't name. it was thrust in my face, constantly. how could i not see it? perhaps you are fortunate enough to be able to ignore someone's color. I don't feel that I am able to forget my own, or see it in other people. it doesn't affect the way that i treat people, it is more like recognizing, "oh, this person is/looks like/ x " and go on

    from your post, i don't think that "white bitch" was racist. an insult? hell yeah, but not necessarily racist. reading your post, i thought that she was calling you a "bitch" and "white bitch" to distinguish you from other "bitches" that were there. again, that's what i got from your post. i wasn't there, so idk. the N word and "white bitch" will NEVER be on the same level.

    for your question of "some people to think that it's ok to be racist?" i have no clue. combo of upbringing and their environment.

    and MLK wasn't just for african americans, he was for EVERYONE having equal rights, black, white, hispanic, etc., therefore his words go unheeded by more than just african americans.

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    I'm not cool with racism on any level, whatever your color is. I've said this before, people do fucked up things, regardless of their skin color.
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    Shall I go into the things white people (men and women) have said when they see me with my white husband? How I'm a "junglebooty," how genuinely concerned people look for him, I mean, the list goes on.

    I'm sorry that happened to you, but people do that regardless of race, and sorry, but I think a lot of the phrasing of your post was really immature.

    Everyone sees race to some extent, some worse than others, regardless of race. Sorry.



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    Update: it turns out that one of the women was the guys ex. I just got off the phone with him and we are going to the rattlesnake museum and iron man 2! :-) after everything went down I left the party, but he called to explain and apologize. Awesome guy. I'm on cloud 9
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    This little half breed leprecana is gonna have some fun tomorrow! (Leprecaun and chicana=leprecana)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Update: it turns out that one of the women was the guys ex. I just got off the phone with him and we are going to the rattlesnake museum and iron man 2! :-) after everything went down I left the party, but he called to explain and apologize. Awesome guy. I'm on cloud 9
    Good for that So it was definitely jealousy that spurred it on <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet_Dawn View Post
    For me, I have HAD to see color. first, being black is a huge part of me...to ignore that part is to not see my history, my upbringing, how i see myself. I think that this may be true for other black people and minorities. Idk, i'm just guessing. also, i feel that I couldn't afford to NOT see color, esp. my own. I grew up in bumfuck, mississippi where if i went to some parts of town, i would have issues, and i would be followed in stores and i would be called "n*gg#@" like it was my gov't name. it was thrust in my face, constantly. how could i not see it? perhaps you are fortunate enough to be able to ignore someone's color. I don't feel that I am able to forget my own, or see it in other people. it doesn't affect the way that i treat people, it is more like recognizing, "oh, this person is/looks like/ x " and go on

    from your post, i don't think that "white bitch" was racist. an insult? hell yeah, but not necessarily racist. reading your post, i thought that she was calling you a "bitch" and "white bitch" to distinguish you from other "bitches" that were there. again, that's what i got from your post. i wasn't there, so idk. the N word and "white bitch" will NEVER be on the same level.

    for your question of "some people to think that it's ok to be racist?" i have no clue. combo of upbringing and their environment.

    and MLK wasn't just for african americans, he was for EVERYONE having equal rights, black, white, hispanic, etc., therefore his words go unheeded by more than just african americans.
    Thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Racism is racism. Whether its white people doing it or black people doing it. White bitch is degrading her skin color = racism. They were jealous a mixed white/hispanic girl was talking to one of their men.

    All my life as a white man I am constantly referred to as " white boy " by blacks. All my life. It's their way of demeaning me and hiding their open racism. I have never once in my life called a black man a black boy.

    I shrug it off though. I could fight all of them each time they called me white boy, but thats alot of fighting. So I shrug off their racism and let them think how they want.


    Whats more alarming is how racist both sides of this girls family are. And her parents did nothing to hide her from it. The union of her mother and father made a beautiful baby girl and they did nothing to hide their families racism from her? Damn!

    Why didn't her mom tell her racist hispanic familia to back off? Why didn't her dad tell her racist white family members to get lost? I feel for her on that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paladine View Post
    Thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Racism is racism. Whether its white people doing it or black people doing it. White bitch is degrading her skin color = racism. They were jealous a mixed white/hispanic girl was talking to one of their men.

    All my life as a white man I am constantly referred to as " white boy " by blacks. All my life. It's their way of demeaning me and hiding their open racism. I have never once in my life called a black man a black boy.

    I shrug it off though. I could fight all of them each time they called me white boy, but thats alot of fighting. So I shrug off their racism and let them think how they want.


    Whats more alarming is how racist both sides of this girls family are. And her parents did nothing to hide her from it. The union of her mother and father made a beautiful baby girl and they did nothing to hide their families racism from her? Damn!

    Why didn't her mom tell her racist hispanic familia to back off? Why didn't her dad tell her racist white family members to get lost? I feel for her on that alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Update: it turns out that one of the women was the guys ex. I just got off the phone with him and we are going to the rattlesnake museum and iron man 2! :-) after everything went down I left the party, but he called to explain and apologize. Awesome guy. I'm on cloud 9
    That makes sense, it sounded like she was just trying to be mean to you out of jealousy rather than racism. I can see why too, sounds like dude is a keeper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paladine View Post
    Thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Racism is racism. Whether its white people doing it or black people doing it. White bitch is degrading her skin color = racism. They were jealous a mixed white/hispanic girl was talking to one of their men.

    All my life as a white man I am constantly referred to as " white boy " by blacks. All my life. It's their way of demeaning me and hiding their open racism. I have never once in my life called a black man a black boy.

    I shrug it off though. I could fight all of them each time they called me white boy, but thats alot of fighting. So I shrug off their racism and let them think how they want.


    Whats more alarming is how racist both sides of this girls family are. And her parents did nothing to hide her from it. The union of her mother and father made a beautiful baby girl and they did nothing to hide their families racism from her? Damn!

    Why didn't her mom tell her racist hispanic familia to back off? Why didn't her dad tell her racist white family members to get lost? I feel for her on that alone.
    i disagree...i don't think it's dumb. at all. for me, N****r is synonomous with hatred, violence, disrespect and dehumanization on the deepest level. that word was used on signs saying "ni**ers go home/not welcome", sundown towns that used ads such as "ni**er free after sundown!!" as a selling point for property, and the killing of thousands of black people all over, just to name a few examples. the word is wrong on every level and should not be used. period.

    i'm truly sorry that the OP had that experience, and i'm sorry that you were referred to as "white boy" and it obviously hurt you...i really am. however, as a black woman, i cannot agree and say that they hold the same weight. the words do not carry the same power.

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    I don't like the N word either. Its degrading and that was its purpose. However its no worse than calling white people cracker, whitey, or any of the other words black people call white people. It's a shitty world out there and people are cruel and disgusting to eachother.

    One thing that helps to fight racism is seeing that there is NO acceptable racism at all. They all hold the same insult level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paladine View Post
    I don't like the N word either. Its degrading and that was its purpose. However its no worse than calling white people cracker, whitey, or any of the other words black people call white people. It's a shitty world out there and people are cruel and disgusting to eachother.

    One thing that helps to fight racism is seeing that there is NO acceptable racism at all.
    They all hold the same insult level.
    i can agree with the bolded

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    Kind of irrelevant, but back in the day, there used to be signs that said "No Irish need apply" and that sort of thing. My grandpa used to tell me stories that had been passed down in our family. Again, not the same, but just something I was thinking about. Ireland was under England's nose for a good 800 years.
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    either way, being called a white bitch is still insulting and degrading. What if I called a black female a black bitch? I would jumped by her and her friends, and potentially called racist, etc. But if a black girl does it to a white girl? Probably nothing would happen but a shouting match. Double standards suck and are unfair.

    I am german, portuguese, and irish. I get called all sorts of things about the german side-to the point I am almost afraid to mention it. The majority being Nazi-totally wrong and unfair, but nothing happens to those people who do it. But heaven forbid I say the wrong thing to a hispanic or black person! Totally unfair...

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    Of course her date will go well. Shes hot. Look at that pic. What guy would be stupid enough to f'k that up. Haha.

    Its so wierd you all know your exact national/racial backgrounds. I mean I was curious about mine when I was a kid, but now I could care less.

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    I have a feeling it's because they felt you were "stealing a brother". I mention this because I know many professional black women and while they aren't racists, they really hate when a white woman (or what they perceive as white) steals a quality man. I once dated a professional black man and the black women when we went out looked at me with disgust. Strangely, when you reverse it (black woman and white man) not as many issues. My sister in law is black (and a conservative Republican to boot!) and her and my brother don't get any looks like I did.


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    i agree with you, there seems to be some reverse racism these days. imho unfortunately that is what happens when the goverment focuses too much on things like affirmative action, which has potential to make some of the people who are minorities feel like theyre entitled to preferntial treatment just because of their race/ethnicity, and look down at the "non minority" people (usually white) to be "bad". i say they should treat everyone equally. i also say that when they teach pluralism and diversity classes in school, and they teach about how to rise about racial stereotypes and prejudice, they should raise awareness of LOTS of different racial prejudices -- not just about "whites prejudice against blacks". prejudice is not nearly as one-dimensional of an issue as alot of traditional school programs make it out to be.



    exactly. also, the fact that penny wasnt mad and was most likely in agreeance with the OP, and IS black, demonstrates even more just how out-of-line those two girls were.
    Don't get me started on Affirmative Action. I've lost many jobs being a white girl, including a Census job. I am opposed to Affirmative Action in most cases. I once lived in an area where it turned from mixed (whites and blacks living happily) to low class black on welfare and the racism against whites was bad. I couldn't even walk down the street without someone throwing rocks at me, calling me "cracker" or "honky". People used their race as an excuse not to work. Sorry, but I have many black friends and relatives and they managed to get far. I hate racism but it goes all ways, including against whites. Yet if people mention this, WE'RE called the racists! In fact a friend of mine (who's black) mentioned she had a problem with these idiots too (she hates Affirmative Action because she said it hurts quality people like her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillonluvr View Post
    either way, being called a white bitch is still insulting and degrading. What if I called a black female a black bitch? I would jumped by her and her friends, and potentially called racist, etc. But if a black girl does it to a white girl? Probably nothing would happen but a shouting match. Double standards suck and are unfair.

    I am german, portuguese, and irish. I get called all sorts of things about the german side-to the point I am almost afraid to mention it. The majority being Nazi-totally wrong and unfair, but nothing happens to those people who do it. But heaven forbid I say the wrong thing to a hispanic or black person! Totally unfair...

    BTW, I truly hope your date goes well!
    Thanks :-) what's funny is that people don't know about my Scotch-Irish heritage until I tell them. I've heard this argument voiced a few times. There is African American History month, BET, Ebony, etc. All fine and dandy. I read those publications and watch BET. But if there was to be a Caucasian Heritage & History month it would immediately be labeled racist. I take great pride in both my Celtic heritage and my Hispanic heritage. A lot of my tattoos reflect my multicultural background. Some white supremacist organizations misuse Celtic imagery to further their own agenda. I have caught a lot of shit for my celtic tattoos.
    "Fake tits are like Kevlar. They don't guarantee your chances of survival but they sure as hell improve it."
    Tempest

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