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    Even regulars can't be trusted. I had a regular rip me off once. Fortunately he came back next week and paid me but I was PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSED off because it was for over $100. I made him pay me back with interest.

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    It's very rare that a girl will ask for her dance fee up front. I tend to stick with my regular girls or semi-regular girls but even the ones I don't know rarely ask to be paid up front. I don't care for it. I budget for the visit and don't spend money I don't have on me. I'm good for it. So I find it an insulting personally. I do realize there are a lot of deadbeats out there.

    I certainly don't tip up front. A tip is a reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamerose View Post
    As far as tipping up front just ask the girl if she wants the tip before or after the dance. That is what most guys that are going to give me a tip ask in my club. If they don't ask I just assume they are not going to tip.
    So do you give subpar dances for the guys that don't tip before hand? Do most that don't tip before hand tip afterwords? what's your experience with this?

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    I've been to a few places where they require you to pay for dances up front. I'm totally good with that, but the whole tip up front deal....No Way.
    It seems like a way for a dancer to get a few extra bucks then give you the shittiest dance possible.
    But I suppose this works both ways
    ...a dancer gives a super hot dance then gets very little or no tip... then she's like...F*ck...all that...and no tip??!!
    Even if I get a crappy dance from a new girl, i'll still tip 5 on a 20 dance. She'll just never get another.
    My reward for a good dance is a tip and REPEAT business.

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    There are a few clubs where the culture is to tip high first to get the kind of dance you want. I think clubs in Albany are like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    There are a few clubs where the culture is to tip high first to get the kind of dance you want. I think clubs in Albany are like that.
    On a $20 dance what is considered a "high tip"? Does anybody tip a 20 on a $20 dance who isn't looking for some type of extras attention? I don't think I've ever given more than a 5, but I'm also not looking to have the dancer provide more than what the house allows. (whether its a no contact club or 2 way contact dance)

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    As another solution .... why not find a dancer whose style you really like and then buy 2-3 dances at a time from her ( that way you can keep going and not pause the sexiness to fiddle with paying or tipping ). Then .... just tip her a bit at the end. Dancers enjoy dancing in batches like I mentioned. I certainly don't think " Oh ... it's only $20 dollars " . I'm just glad that I sold you your FIRST dance with me and hope you get more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthill View Post
    We live in relatively the same area. This has happened to me twice one at the Cadillac Lounge and the other Hurricane Betty's. Both were actually mediocre dances for different reasons.
    Never cared for the Caddy, never heard of the other place. Not surprised it could happen at the Caddy. I understand why the girls ask for the money up front but I'd be hard-pressed not to be a little offended if I'd been hit with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Never cared for the Caddy, never heard of the other place. Not surprised it could happen at the Caddy. I understand why the girls ask for the money up front but I'd be hard-pressed not to be a little offended if I'd been hit with that.

    Why would you be offended? I mean if your good for it why would it matter? If I ask you for $$ upfront when you tell me you want a dance, and you say no, then I would automatically assume your a loser and walk away. See guys, u make yourself look like an idiot by doing that its very petty and a little immature if you ask me. I'm trying to do business and make sure I get paid and you take it personal....what a little boy.

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    At a higher class topless only club I go to , I always buy dances in
    advance and give a little extra. Without fail, I get a better performance and lots of dancers visiting me. Also (I know thi sounds weird) but I tend to forget I paid the girl to dance/flirt with me when I do it in advance, they perform, and then peck me on the cheek and scoot into the darkness(rather than having to go through bills after the dance/in the middle of dances). It seems to work better to do it all in advance at that particular club.

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    ^Exactly. This ensures that the fantasy can be totally uninterrupted for your viewing pleasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    Why would you be offended? I mean if your good for it why would it matter? If I ask you for $$ upfront when you tell me you want a dance, and you say no, then I would automatically assume your a loser and walk away. See guys, u make yourself look like an idiot by doing that its very petty and a little immature if you ask me. I'm trying to do business and make sure I get paid and you take it personal....what a little boy.
    Don't worry, he doesn't buy dances at all. Doesn't stop him from taking up space in a club appearing like a customer. You'll never have to worry about offending him hon, its rather the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Even regulars can't be trusted. I had a regular rip me off once. Fortunately he came back next week and paid me but I was PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSED off because it was for over $100. I made him pay me back with interest.
    I shorted a dancer that danced for me on a regular basis once, only because I didn't count the money in my wallet correctly. I told her I would make up the difference the following week. I did and tipped her a lot more than normal because of my stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    Why would you be offended? I mean if your good for it why would it matter? If I ask you for $$ upfront when you tell me you want a dance, and you say no, then I would automatically assume your a loser and walk away. See guys, u make yourself look like an idiot by doing that its very petty and a little immature if you ask me. I'm trying to do business and make sure I get paid and you take it personal....what a little boy.
    How often IRL are you told to pay before services are rendered? Its not like a car is being bought. Its 5 minutes of time being bought. If someone thought so little of me that I had to pay up front for their time, why would I want to spend time and money with that person? I tutor math and give golf lessons for an agreed upon price. I'd be way out of line to insist on the money up front. I'd only demand that if I thought the person a POS I couldn't trust.

    Therefore, if you ask for the money up front, aren't you already assuming I'm a loser? I think the pettiness and immaturity run both ways. I had dancers willing to do dances with me "on the cuff" because they trusted me to square up with them. Why wouldn't some other girl insisting on pre-payment bug me a little?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Don't worry, he doesn't buy dances at all. Doesn't stop him from taking up space in a club appearing like a customer. You'll never have to worry about offending him hon, its rather the opposite.
    Here she goes again with the selective memory. As I've said before, at one point in time, I spent more money in the club and did more dances than at least 75% of the guys posting here, so my comments aren't from the outside. They're from my experiences as a relatively generous regular customer. As I've also said before, that just stopped working for me. As a result, the last thing I'm presently trying to appear to be (or to be considered) is a customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post

    Therefore, if you ask for the money up front, aren't you already assuming I'm a loser?
    Actually I don't really think that a dancer who asks for money up front is assuming you are anything BEM. It's a policy that's all. I don't care for it either but I don't assume that the dancer thinks I'm a malcontent if she asks.

    Some stores don't take checks because they have had too many problems with personal checks bouncing-it's a policy decision.

    When you rent an apartment you generally have to give the landlord last months rent and sometimes a security deposit. Again, It's a policy decision.

    Asking for cash up front is also something that all escorts do, at least until they trust you. Again, it's a policy decision.

    Business people who choose to place restrictions on how they operate do it based on the proclivities of their worst-case customer. Instead of worrying about who is going to be good for the cash and who isn't they simply require everyone to adhere to a policy of paying up front. You see that as making it personal but I actually see it as quite the opposite. The policies exist to make the transaction less personal. It's just business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Here she goes again with the selective memory.
    Not really BEM. We've all heard you story a thousand times. KS never said that you were never a customer, only that you are not one now. Believe it or not, bragging about being a non-customer in a strip club doesn't impress a lot of people on a board about strippers, customers, and strip clubs.

    If you want to post here, continue to portray yourself as non-customer and insist that you don't even view strip clubs as strip clubs you have to expect a fair amount of skepticism from other folks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    How often IRL are you told to pay before services are rendered? Its not like a car is being bought. Its 5 minutes of time being bought. If someone thought so little of me that I had to pay up front for their time, why would I want to spend time and money with that person? I tutor math and give golf lessons for an agreed upon price. I'd be way out of line to insist on the money up front. I'd only demand that if I thought the person a POS I couldn't trust.

    Therefore, if you ask for the money up front, aren't you already assuming I'm a loser? I think the pettiness and immaturity run both ways. I had dancers willing to do dances with me "on the cuff" because they trusted me to square up with them. Why wouldn't some other girl insisting on pre-payment bug me a little?
    Honestly, math tutoring and golf lessons are respectable services, usually frequented by relatively normal people. If someone doesn't pay you for a few sessions of tutoring or golf, you very likely know their full names, addresses, and how to reach them. You can take them to small claims court and attempt to recoup your loss. You can make them look very bad in the community for not paying for services rendered. Basically, you have a lot of power and no one wants to be known as an asshole who rips off a sweet math tutor.

    Stripping is not considered a dignified and professional service and its VERY easy for a con artist to scam an honest stripper. Con artists know exactly what to do and how to do it. They know that the stripper can't call the cops or take him to court, she doesn't even know his name! Hell, even a clubs management and bouncers cannot and will not help a stripper who has been ripped off. All they can do is ask the guy to leave. Meanwhile, he's off to the next club to do it again to another girl.

    Its not personal Bem, its not about you. Its just policy...sometimes a club policy, sometimes a girl's policy.

    Edit to add: another pertinent point. When you tutor someone in golf or math, they aren't very likely to be drunk are they? Well, in a club, the more people drink, the more likely they are to forget things that transpired...such as the amount of dances they paid for. Its very high risk to accept an invitiation to dance from a man who looks visibly buzzed. At one point, he could totally black out and forget what just happened, come to, and not want to pay.

    Its a completely different environment than in tutoring, apples:oranges to compare. Not all services are the same.

    Remember, I always took payment at the end of dances unless the club took it before, so I don't care for the upfront payment option either. But I completely understand why its done and you really should too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthill View Post
    When a dancer asks for cash upfront for lap dance whats the proper method of tipping?
    Pay for one dance, no tip, and move on. Or, just say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Not really BEM. We've all heard you story a thousand times. KS never said that you were never a customer, only that you are not one now. Believe it or not, bragging about being a non-customer in a strip club doesn't impress a lot of people on a board about strippers, customers, and strip clubs.

    If you want to post here, continue to portray yourself as non-customer and insist that you don't even view strip clubs as strip clubs you have to expect a fair amount of skepticism from other folks here.
    The fact that I've chosen (or been "forced") to no longer be a customer doesn't necessarily mean I know any less about being one than anyone, yourself included. For a certain amount of time, I was every bit the customer anyone here is or considers himself to be. And she didn't say what you wrote. She said "he doesn't buy dances at all", which implies I'd be clueless about the subject with no insight whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Remember, I always took payment at the end of dances unless the club took it before, so I don't care for the upfront payment option either. But I completely understand why its done and you really should too.
    A dozen or so posts back, I said I understood why the girls did it. Now I don't drink and I'm not a scam artist so I merely said I'd be offended if a girl demanded that of me. Then again, except for the very beginning of my "customer phase", I spent very little time buying dances from girls I wasn't already familiar with. I suppose the girls I dealt with knew they had no reason to worry about getting paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Now I don't drink and I'm not a scam artist so I merely said I'd be offended if a girl demanded that of me.
    Strippers possess many skills, but mind-reading and ESP don't tend to be some of them. How the hell would she know you're not a scam artist? They look and act like everyone else...until the service is completed and they refuse to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    And she didn't say what you wrote. She said "he doesn't buy dances at all", which implies I'd be clueless about the subject with no insight whatsoever.
    LMOAWROTF!!!!!!!

    She said what she said BEM and it could have been quoted from you verbatim. You spend most of your time on this site yapping about how you don't buy dances and that strippers refuse to take your money. The fact that you once did is not really in question here. No one is saying you didn't.

    Your nit-picky arguments don't hold up BEM. The smokescreen that you keep throwing up about your friends not wanting your money, just hanging out to chat with bartenders and your once supposedly generous spending habits don't negate the fact that, in the here and now, you go in to a strip club, don't spend any money and then show up here to brag about it and call paying customers losers. Your particular proclivities inside a strip club don't make you special at your club of choice and they certainly don't make you special here on a site about strippers in the customer conversation section. KS wrote what she wrote. If your interpretation of it was that it makes you appear clueless I think that says more about you than it does about her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    . I'd only demand that if I thought the person a POS I couldn't trust.
    Exactly. Why would I trust a stranger I just met?

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Therefore, if you ask for the money up front, aren't you already assuming I'm a loser? I think the pettiness and immaturity run both ways. I had dancers willing to do dances with me "on the cuff" because they trusted me to square up with them. Why wouldn't some other girl insisting on pre-payment bug me a little?

    No I am not assuming your a loser just by asking, I do this because I have experienced men ripping me off. If I ask for $$ upfront(which is policy for most clubs that have champagne rooms ANYWAY), I dont assume u are anything. If you say "No, I refuse to pay upfront", Then yeah, I may assume its because your being cheap or a loser or whatever.

    Dont blame me us, blame the few cheap idiots who ruin it for good customers. If a customer comes to see me regularly, paying upfront is no longer an issue. What is immature about that bem?

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    As I've said before, at one point in time, I spent more money in the club and did more dances than at least 75% of the guys posting here, so my comments aren't from the outside.
    You dont know that. Just because u spent $$ in a stripclub at one point in your life doesnt make you better than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthill View Post
    So do you give subpar dances for the guys that don't tip before hand? Do most that don't tip before hand tip afterwords? what's your experience with this?
    To address your question(since this thread got way off subject), I never expect a tip but I appreciate them. I personally try to give every customer a good dance, unless they are being rude or mean to me. If you tip the girls a lot though, you'll def get more attention in the club!

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