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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I have no problems with them asking anyone who can't speak English for papers.
    Right there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Where did I say I had no problems with racism? That's a lie. Yes, I have a problem with ILLEGALS. I don't care what country they are from. I do not want ILLEGALS here. I do not want them leeching off the system, taking money from my future kids (who will be citizens), I do not want them selling drugs. I do not want ILLEGALS here. ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT CARE WHAT RACE THEY ARE, THEY ARE ILLEGAL!
    And you hate illegals so much that you are willing to have racist laws that treat perfectly LEGAL american citizens different because of the color of their skin, and you seriously see no problem with this do you?

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    Because if they are here, they need to speak English. I don't care what race, speak ENGLISH. Why is that hard for you to understand? That doesn't make me a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Because if they are here, they need to speak English. I don't care what race, speak ENGLISH. Why is that hard for you to understand? That doesn't make me a racist.
    You keep telling yourself that.

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    Fine, I'm a racist because I don't want illegals here, no matter the race. Incidentally, the Illinois Minutemen Militia (probably a racist organization according to you) is getting powerful here and most of the head people are Mexican, so I guess that makes them racist too. I am not against any race, just come here LEGALLY.

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    How do you stop Illegal immigration?

    One year in prison for each illegal immigrant working for a corporation, to be served by the CEO and Board of Directors.

    Repeal the 14th Amendment or make a revision. Its not 1866 anymore.

    Build the Fence.

    Require that 51% of any Real property or Corporation is owned by an American Citizen.

    Federal Law stating English is the official language. This has been debated before in American history and luckily for Great Britain we didn't choose Deutsch.

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    One year in prison for each illegal immigrant working for a corporation, to be served by the CEO and Board of Directors.
    That would work wonderfully, too bad the side that is anti immigration is also pro corporation so it will never actually happen.

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    I have to say that I aree with Kellydancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    That would work wonderfully, too bad the side that is anti immigration is also pro corporation so it will never actually happen.
    I am not pro corporation (once again a generalization) and yes I would support going after corporations that hire illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I am not pro corporation (once again a generalization) and yes I would support going after corporations that hire illegals.
    I was actually speaking about the political parties, not individual people. Most people would be glad if they went after the corporations that hired illegals but neither party will go for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    YOU ARE MISSING THE FUCKING POINT. It doesn't matter when they ask for papers, they are not going to ask white people for EVER. But but but they must be stopped for other crimes first!!! who gives a flying fuck? you are making the law different for people based on their race, this isn't the fucking 60s anymore. There are no god damn "obvious warning signs that they might be illegal" that are not based on race, NONE.

    You are so hell-bent on being PC that you can't see the forest for the trees. You won't admit you're wrong, so arguing with you is pointless, so I'll just ask you...how would YOU stop the inflow of illegal aliens from Mexico?

    So far, you said you'd go after those that employ them. I'm good with that. Is that all you've got? What sort of onus do you put on employers? Is a SSN good enough? How about a green card or visa? Because all of those things can easily be forged. Now we have a whole crop of illegals with forged credentials who are working. What then?

    Wait, maybe it's racist to ask these people to prove to employers that they're legal! Is that the next arrow in your ridiculous quiver?

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    If you are going to put a "those can be forged" restriction on any solution i bring up then this law and any other law is just as meaningless as anything i would come up with isn't it? Yes, shit can forged, if someone wants it bad enough. Wanting laws to be applicable to people of all races is not just "being PC".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    And you hate illegals so much that you are willing to have racist laws that treat perfectly LEGAL american citizens different because of the color of their skin, and you seriously see no problem with this do you?
    Dude, stop cheapening that word. You're fucking it up for people who have real racial problems.

    If hordes of poor, white trash Canadians started flooding the border, leaching the social welfare system and working off the books was happening in Minnesota, I'd want that stopped too. I'd support stopping people who say "eh" and "aboot" and asking them for their papers.

    People like you allow REAL racism to happen because you just throw the word around when it's not really happening. You cheapen and make people tired of it. You're like Al Sharpton with Tawana Brawley, or the Duke lacrosse team rape accuser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Dude, stop cheapening that word. You're fucking it up for people who have real racial problems.

    If hordes of poor, white trash Canadians started flooding the border, leaching the social welfare system and working off the books was happening in Minnesota, I'd want that stopped too. I'd support stopping people who say "eh" and "aboot" and asking them for their papers.

    People like you allow REAL racism to happen because you just throw the word around when it's not really happening. You cheapen and make people tired of it. You're like Al Sharpton with Tawana Brawley, or the Duke lacrosse team rape accuser.
    Please explain to me how a law that treats people differently depending on their race is not racist.

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    This is so simple, yet being blown way out of proportion. . I'm lost just reading thru all the posts,er,arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Please explain to me how a law that treats people differently depending on their race is not racist.
    It's not about race. If a white police office pulls over the car of a white person who can't speak English but appears capable of speaking great German...and that person has no ID and can't prove their citizenship, they're in trouble.

    There, I win. I will answer no more questions about "race" as your race-baiting has just been proven false.

    Now tell me what you'd do to solve the illegal alien problem. This is the second time I've asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    It's not about race. If a white police office pulls over the car of a white person who can't speak English but appears capable of speaking great German...and that person has no ID and can't prove their citizenship, they're in trouble.

    There, I win. I will answer no more questions about "race" as your race-baiting has just been proven false.

    Now tell me what you'd do to solve the illegal alien problem. This is the second time I've asked.
    Holy shit, i really don't know how to talk to someone who thinks the situation you just described is not racist. You are describing EXACTLY what makes this law racist and you are so god damn blind you can't even see it. Treating people different because of their skin color or because they speak another language is the problem with that law, your "win" proves ME right. The sad thing is that in your broken brain using a white person as an example makes it somehow not racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Fine, I'm a racist because I don't want illegals here, no matter the race. Incidentally, the Illinois Minutemen Militia (probably a racist organization according to you) is getting powerful here and most of the head people are Mexican, so I guess that makes them racist too. I am not against any race, just come here LEGALLY.
    There comes a point where it is obvious continuing a line of thought is going no where. People see the world from different perspectives and unfortunately that is just the way it is. There is no changing their minds. Have your say, they'll have their say. Those of us reading have already chosen our sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Holy shit, i really don't know how to talk to someone who thinks the situation you just described is not racist. You are describing EXACTLY what makes this law racist and you are so god damn blind you can't even see it. Treating people different because of their skin color or because they speak another language is the problem with that law, your "win" proves ME right. The sad thing is that in your broken brain using a white person as an example makes it somehow not racist.
    Third time...what's your solution?

    If you don't answer, or your answer is yet another nonsensical non-sequitur, then I will assume you have no answer and agree that the Arizona law is a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    There comes a point where it is obvious continuing a line of thought is going no where. People see the world from different perspectives and unfortunately that is just the way it is. There is no changing their minds. Have your say, they'll have their say. Those of us reading have already chosen our sides.
    You're right, I can keep talking about this on and on and it'll revert back to the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Third time...what's your solution?

    If you don't answer, or your answer is yet another nonsensical non-sequitur, then I will assume you have no answer and agree that the Arizona law is a great idea.
    I answered the first time you asked, if you are not going to bother to read that is not my problem.

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    I figured I'd say this because I actually LIVE in AZ, have my entire life, pay taxes here and vote here. (Can I say BTW I think it's hilarious that nearly every single post in this threat thus far has contained incorrect information ie; IDs, SSNs and Birth Certificates as Proof of Citizenship)

    I'm actually scared to be out and about in the wrong parts of town because I have a legitimate fear of being pulled over or questioned simply because I'm not white.

    ... and no I'm not Mexican either.

    A person in the state of Arizona can be pulled over solely for the color of their skin.
    If that in an of itself is not racist, then what is? Should I have no proof of my citizenship then it is perfectly legal to be held, FOR NO OTHER REASON, than the suspicion of being an Illegal.

    I, as a legal resident of this state, find it sad that I have to fear the people that are paid to protect me.
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    I lived in Washington DC most of my life, then moved to AZ. I don't see what speaking English has to do with being a citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    I lived in Washington DC most of my life, then moved to AZ. I don't see what speaking English has to do with being a citizen.
    The Laws and Courts are conducted in English. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    The Laws and Courts are conducted in English. Just sayin.
    If you don't speak english translators are provided for you. Just sayin.

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