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    You should be DAMN happy that a country that has such easy access into ours has tough immigration laws. Nobody sneaks into mexico because its an awesome place to live, anyone going in there is coming here, and it's more than farmers and gardeners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    You should be DAMN happy that a country that has such easy access into ours has tough immigration laws. Nobody sneaks into mexico because its an awesome place to live, anyone going in there is coming here, and it's more than farmers and gardeners.
    Like the Iraqis, Yemenis, Iranians, Czechs, Russians, Ukranians, Chinese, Filipinos, Nicaraguans, Cubans, and everybody else with good or evil intent crossing that three strand cattle fence or ankle deep water called the US-Mexico border?

    Besides the central americans attempting to get across Mexico are robbed, raped, and killed by the Polica Nacional of Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    You should be DAMN happy that a country that has such easy access into ours has tough immigration laws. Nobody sneaks into mexico because its an awesome place to live, anyone going in there is coming here, and it's more than farmers and gardeners.
    So it's only Racist if it is an American Law? La Raza much?
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    No, its only racist if it targets people based on the color of their skin. How is that not blatantly clear?

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    Speaking of Racist, self serving Nationalist Laws.

    Mexico’s Immigration Law
    (General Law on Population)

    1999

    • Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
    - Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
    - Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
    - Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
    - The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 3

    • Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
    - Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
    - A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
    - A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

    • Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
    - Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
    - Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

    • Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
    - Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
    - Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 11
    - Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

    • Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
    - “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
    - Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
    - Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

    • Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
    - A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
    - Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
    UNDER MEXICO’S CONSTITUTION :[2][4]


    Constitucion de MexicoMexico’s Constitution
    (English translation)

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    • The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life.
    Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.” Article 33 is unambiguous: “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.”

    • The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to foreigners.
    If foreigners wish to have certain property rights, they must renounce the protection of their own governments or risk confiscation. Foreigners are forbidden to own land in Mexico within 100 kilometers of land borders or within 50 kilometers of the coast.

    Article 27 states, “Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country.” (Emphasis added)

    • The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to immigrants, even legal
    ones, in the public sector.

    “Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.” (Article 32)

    • The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized.
    Article 32 bans foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico from serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports:

    “In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia. It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of practique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic.”

    • An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born citizens risk no such loss.

    • Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95).

    • The president of Mexico must be a Mexican citizen by birth AND his parents must also be Mexican-born citizens (Article 82), thus giving secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants.

    • The Mexican constitution singles out “undesirable aliens.” Article 11 guarantees federal protection against “undesirable aliens resident in the country.”

    • The Mexican constitution provides the right of private individuals to make citizen’s arrests.
    Article 16 states, “in cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.” Therefore, the Mexican constitution appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution.

    • The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled for any reason and without due process.
    According to Article 33, “the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.”
    Not to mention that illegals crossing into Mexico are not eligible for social progams and neither are their kids.

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    Good start for a USA law.
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    i'm a newbie to this site and even though this thread is dead after reading through pages and pages of it, i felt i really needed to comment

    as a young, black woman living in canada (where i immigrated legally at the age of two) i find the xenophobia and racism in this thread to be quite shocking, i will admit that i have not read through the arizona law in detail nor have i ever been to arizona but it really saddens me to see how prejudiced some people still are (i'm referring to kellydancer openly stating she doesn't like muslims and sometimes calls people of east indian descent "towelheads")....am i the only one who finds that deplorable?

    i definitely do not condone illegal immigration in any sense of the word but i do think there has to be a better way of dealing with this issue and i always find it quite comical when people cry foul about things like affirmative action or "reverse racism" against whites...there is a reason why things like (insert ethnicity here) history month exist...because without them we would never hear about the accomplishments of blacks, hispanics, asians or native americans

    this is of course just my view but i feel like there are those in society who hide behind this "illegal immigrants are the root of all evil/assmilate or get the hell out of our country routine" to mask their truly racist and prejudicial views...just because you aren't lynching anyone on your front lawn or throwing a brick through someone's window because they're a hispanic doesn't mean you aren't racist

    though i live in canada (which is by no means a perfect country) i have to admit that reading through this thread made me glad my parents chose to immigrate here and not the u.s...

    just my two cents

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    Hey I have my own personal fan! *blows kisses*. The fact that you bumped a thread and called me out on comments I made are pretty sad. No, I don't like many Indians and Muslims and I don't apologize. I've had nothing but bad experiences with them and it's turned me against them. Btw, I insulted RADICAL MUSLIMS by calling them towel heads. You know, the ones who murdered thousands on 9/11? They deserve to be called names. I also resent the Indians who take American jobs, either through outsourcing or H1-B Visas. Regular American Muslims and Indians? I have no issue with them.

    Here's one of my quotes:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    The whole hate speech laws is in many cases a war against certain people (namely white Christians). If I say I dislike Indians, or Muslims (and I will admit I feel this way to some extent) then that's hate speech, yet if they say they hate white Christians, that of course is fine. If I say I think people with multiple babies out of wedlock are immoral, I must be a redneck, a rightwinger, etc but if they say people who believe babies should be born into a marriage are prudes, that's fine. I dislike groups like the KKK but feel they have as much to free speech as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Yes, everyone should have the right the express how they feel. I often call Indians names (that is to say Indians from India) and I don't feel bad. I also insult the Muslims radicals often on tv and call them towelheads. I make fun of rednecks too (just to prove it's neither a right or left issue) I am expressing free speech just like anyone else.





    Exactly. We have a local race baiting minister/politician named James Meeks who's always attacking white people. For those who thought Jeremiah Wright was a racist, Meeks is far worse. If a white politician said what he has against black people, that politician would be called a racist, etc but because it's not a white person it makes it ok. The fact is racism cuts across all races and I have been the victim of discrimination for being white. Completely turned me against affirmative action.
    lmao

    i only mentioned you specifically because as the thread continued you made your more racist views quite clear and i specifically remembered them. if that renders me a '"fan" of yours then i think you've misinterpreted the definition of that word. and yes you're right you did say radical muslims in this quote but i'm not sure where the clarification was for indians from india, certainly nowhere that i read. i suppose that the mere fact that they're indian is enough for them to deserve to be insulted (in your estimation). at any rate i did not comment to create some sort of confrontational dialogue between you and i, i was simply expressing my opinion that i found the views of you and plenty of others in this thread to be objectionable. last i checked that was allowed by the free speech laws you've so readily championed for yourself and those who think as you do.

    furthermore i won't be engaging in any more conversations in this thread with you since it won't serve any purpose except possibly to entertain or infuriate you (neither of which are things i'm interested in doing).

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    So you use your first post ever to attack people. I call that a troll and buzz off. I can say what I want and just because you don't like it, I'm not going to change my mind. I don't change my views because a troll with no other posts decided to bump a months old thread for lack of anything better to do.

    I stand by what I said. Radical Muslims are towelheads and no I don't care for Indians.

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    Not to mention that illegals crossing into Mexico are not eligible for social progams and neither are their kids.
    Ahh, if only this were true it would reduce the US state budget deficits by hundreds of billions of dollars ! In point of fact, in most states, illegal immigrant parents and illegal immigrant children are eligible for a cornucopia of social program benefits ... from food stamps and medicaid, to free school lunches, to highly 'subsidized' in-state tuition pricing at state universities. Keep in mind that, in most states, social services only cares about residency ... which any illegal immigrant can 'prove' by presenting a utility bill !

    Arguably, after the recent election, some 'fiscal sanity' is now returning in this regard ...



    (snip)The vote by 55-41 in favor of the bill, which is known as the Dream Act, effectively kills it for this year, and its fate is uncertain. The measure needed the support of 60 senators to cut off a filibuster and bring it to the floor.

    Supporters said they were heartened that the measure won the backing of a majority of the Senate. They said they would continue to press for it, either on its own or as part of a wide immigration overhaul that some Democrats hope to undertake next year and believe could be an area of cooperation with Republicans, who will control a majority in the House.

    Most immediately, the measure would have helped grant legal status to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students and recent graduates whose lives are severely restricted, though many have lived in the United States for nearly their entire lives.(snip)

    (snip)But opponents of the measure said it was too broad and would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants.

    “As part of this legislative session there has been no serious movement to do anything that would improve the grievous situation of illegality at our border,” said Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, who led the opposition to the bill as the senior Republican on the Judiciary Committee. “Leaders in Washington have not only tolerated lawlessness but, in fact, our policies have encouraged it.”

    Mr. Sessions added, “This bill is a law that at its fundamental core is a reward for illegal activity.”(snip)


    And as discussed in other threads, the largest 'reward for illegal activity' accrues to illegal immigrant parents who manage to have their child born within US borders. With such an 'anchor baby', the illegal immigrant parents are essentially free from the threat of deportation for the next 18 years, and also gain FULL eligibility for social welfare programs, from subsidized housing to subsidized utilities to SNAP ( food stamps ) to medicaid to TANF ( 'welfare' ) in the name of their US citizen child !

    Arguably, the recent movement toward 'fiscal sanity' will be expanded next year to a review of the 'born within US borders = automatic US citizenship' legal interpretation, which is an evolved legal doctrine of questionable constitutionality. Of specific relevance to this thread, there are now also eleven US states joining Arizona versus US federal gov't lawsuit over Arizona's new strict immigration law. As state and local budget deficits continue to get worse, as state and local unemployment rates continue to rise, and as 'liberal' politicians continue to get voted out of office, Arizona's approach toward 'fiscal sanity' is more and more likely to succeed ( and spread to other US states ! ).

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