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    Default Complaints about "extras" girls

    The existence of these girls is a common complaint made by the clean dancers on this board, and understandably so from their perspective. But I take issue with the theory that this is something new or is becoming more common.

    While I agree that it has become more blatant in some places recently, for the 15 years that I have been a regular SC visitor extras have been a fact of life, even more so back in the day. In the New York metro area, for example, it was much more blatant years ago before LE cracked down on a lot of that stuff, though of course it is tough to fully stop it in a city where there is so much damn $$$ on the line. In Chicago and Boston the paranoia levels are so high that extras are fairly rare, where back in the day it was the wild west in Beantown.

    OTC was, and always has been, another fact of life. I really don't see a lot of difference between then and now in that department either.

    IMHO, every strip club veteran knows which clubs are the places for "extras" and which ones are "clean" - which leads me to wonder why so many clean girls work in clubs that they know are dirty. Though by "dirty" I mean places where guys are getting off, so maybe I am missing some of the stops in between.
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    Well, the complaints are really nothing new either. Just because there were no internet based stripper forums fifteen or twenty years ago doesn't mean that dancers didn't complain about dirty girls.

    There are many factors that a dancer uses to determine where she wants to work. Location, scheduling flexibility, management and, of course, how busy the club is. If a club is a good fit on any or all of these levels it is going to attract both clean and dirty dancers.
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    I think most of us already know this. This forum is also our place to vent(just like the blue side is your place to tell your experiences). Clubs change. It can be frustrating when your used to doing things a certain way, and dancers become dirtier and now you have to compete with that, it is an unfair advantage. Also, if a few girls are doing dirty things, customers expect u to do the same.

    If a club is notoriously dirty, most clean dancers are smart enough not to work there. I think the bigger problem is men coming in and expecting extras, to the point of violating a dancer's boundaries even after she said no. Ive worked at the cleanest club in my city, it was completely airdances w/no physical contact whatsoever(or you get a ticket). Seedy men came in all the time and tried to grab and touch in VIP, even after I said no. If we are smart enough to figure out which club we should be working at, then I think customers should be smart enough to respect the rules of that club and a dancer's personal boundaries.....if dirty customers go to dirty clubs, and nice customers go to clean clubs, I think we'll all be happy. If only.......
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    Here in Texas, pretty much each and every club will have some level of extras. In addition, a significant percentage of patrons will ask for them regardless, or just try to take it upon themselves physically.

    There is really no clean place to dance, and its a big state. To go somewhere else to strip usually involves airfare and accomodations cost. So, you just deal with it as best you can.

    I agree with Jasmine, if only.... However I did strip in a country with legal prostitution. Didn't have to perform any sex acts. However, the money wasn't that great. We made our money knowing how to talk to men, to act like companions for a guy who didn't want a quick BJ, but wanted to flirt with a clever girl for some time. If there was demand for this with legal prostitution down the street, then it could work in the US. But the laws aren't going to let it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    I agree with Jasmine, if only.... However I did strip in a country with legal prostitution. Didn't have to perform any sex acts. However, the money wasn't that great. We made our money knowing how to talk to men, to act like companions for a guy who didn't want a quick BJ, but wanted to flirt with a clever girl for some time. If there was demand for this with legal prostitution down the street, then it could work in the US. But the laws aren't going to let it happen.
    Actually it does work, well, with some guys...just not legally of course.

    For years I have gone to clubs looking to converse with and get dances from engaging and attractive women. I spend a few hours with one or two ladies and it's always a great time. When I want sex I simply call one of my engaging and attractive escorts-also a great time! If you spend any time at all with escorts you quickly learn that, even though it's illegal, it is relatively safe provided you now what you are doing. A lot of the guys who go to clubs looking for extras just do it because they think it's easier. They also think, mistakenly IMHO, that they will know exactly what they are getting with a stripper vs. hiring an escort sight unseen.

    This is not to say that I've never had extras in a strip club since I most certainly have and still do on occasion. I just don't go in with that expectation anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    This is not to say that I've never had extras in a strip club since I most certainly have and still do on occasion. I just don't go in with that expectation anymore.
    Gotten a bit soft have ya? As easy as it is nowadays?

    I never have and never will see an escort. It's just not for me. Brothels dba strip clubs...now that's what I like.

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    While I agree that it has become more blatant in some places recently, for the 15 years that I have been a regular SC visitor extras have been a fact of life, even more so back in the day.
    Older (way older) buddy of mine has been going to strip clubs for a very, very long time. Always enjoys telling the story of some stripper he got a little greek action with way back in the 70's. Crazy bastard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Gotten a bit soft have ya? As easy as it is nowadays?

    I never have and never will see an escort. It's just not for me. Brothels dba strip clubs...now that's what I like.
    I don't agree with yoda on this issue but neither am I going to shoot at him for it. He likes his emotional fulfillment, ah, I mean dances, at the SC and his other activities from other places. Not my gig, but to each his own.

    But neither do I like the clubs that are barely better than brothels. First and foremost, the thought of sitting in a divey backroom with my pants down around my ankles and no control over the environment is not a good one. Never mind whether you are being recorded on candid camera or whether three other guys are watching what is done to you. No thank you - I don't hand control over to others, which is why I (discreetly) move these activities from the club to my hotel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Gotten a bit soft have ya? As easy as it is nowadays?
    Easy does not always equal value or fun for that matter. For what most guys pay for extras I can have a hot naked woman in a nice soft bed for an hour. Comparing that to sitting in a cramped booth playing look-out while a dancer gives you head and keeps stopping to look around for the bouncer is really a no-brainer for me.
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    For the most part (there are always exceptions), Yoda is quite right about the economics. I've not chosen to go there, but I've investigated, and the relative likelihood of extras at a SC is low and their relative cost is high. I've easily spent $300 or more to be teased for 45 minutes to an hour. There are several quite hot escorts I've lusted after who are well within that range.

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    I have to agree with yoda and smokeless about the bad ROI relating to ITC extras vs. other options, with some rare exceptions that I've found in certain clubs in the South.

    I personally like meeting a promising girl in the club and taking her OTC. It is good for me as I get to evaluate the potential purchase before I make it, the score is generally assured and it is often a better option from a time and privacy standpoint. It is also often better for her as she keeps the whole payment and significantly supplements what has lately been bad money ITC - all for the low low price of one hour of her time in my soft hotel bed.

    Of course, opinions differ around here as to the relative merits of sourcing from a club vs. an escort agency (which is ground well covered in other threads), but I agree with the point that seeking and/or engaging in extras ITC generally is an approach with low ROI.

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    The problem with leaving the club to go OTC with a custy is you can't just do it if you've only been on shift for 2 hours. Sure, every so often you can make up some shit to the manager about having a headache or cramps...but eventually everyone will figure out that you are leaving to turn tricks.

    Hence, when a rickdugan comes to the club to try and get a girl out OTC, probability of success goes down because strippers are captive to the club for X amount of time once they come in.

    Unless, of course, the club don't care and the stripper don't care that she gets a reputation and a potential ass-beating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    The problem with leaving the club to go OTC with a custy is you can't just do it if you've only been on shift for 2 hours. Sure, every so often you can make up some shit to the manager about having a headache or cramps...but eventually everyone will figure out that you are leaving to turn tricks.
    Some clubs have a "middle shift" where the dancer can leave after nine or ten pm but for the most part I agree with what you are saying KS. This is just one more reason why I'd rather call an escort. I'm single now and I suppose I could bring a dancer back to my place at one or two am but I'd rather just plan things and have my tawdry meaningless sex when I am "up" for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    The problem with leaving the club to go OTC with a custy is you can't just do it if you've only been on shift for 2 hours. Sure, every so often you can make up some shit to the manager about having a headache or cramps...but eventually everyone will figure out that you are leaving to turn tricks.

    Hence, when a rickdugan comes to the club to try and get a girl out OTC, probability of success goes down because strippers are captive to the club for X amount of time once they come in.

    Unless, of course, the club don't care and the stripper don't care that she gets a reputation and a potential ass-beating.
    I can't imagine trying to seduce a stripper out of the club. Early or otherwise. In the club if the stars align you exchange phone numbers etc and stay under the radar.

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    I've worked as both an escort and as a dancer, and I'd have to agree with those of you who like to keep their girls separate. As a dancer, having extras girls was a legal risk for all of us, was frustrating, and gave our club a bad reputation. Also, it made it more difficult for me to make money, or try to have a respectful interaction with a customer. As an escort, I found that making my experience with a custie pleasurable was easier and more relaxed. I know this will be different for all people but IMHO an hour for chat and whatever else in your own home/a clean hotel is more relaxing, fun and mutually enjoyable than a quick backroom HJ in a place that's too gross to sit on the floor... but I know everyone's different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokeless View Post
    For the most part (there are always exceptions), Yoda is quite right about the economics. I've not chosen to go there, but I've investigated, and the relative likelihood of extras at a SC is low and their relative cost is high. I've easily spent $300 or more to be teased for 45 minutes to an hour. There are several quite hot escorts I've lusted after who are well within that range.
    Interesting. I personally prefer the SC Vip room with no extras over an escort. I'm not looking for extras or sex, just a distraction in fantasy land for a while, then a return to reality.

    PS. Licking a girls nipples is not an extra here.
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    ^^^ I have no problem with fantasy land, a little snuggling (with Kylea, for example, should the occasion arise), and yes, perhaps some nice anatomy in close proximity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Hence, when a rickdugan comes to the club to try and get a girl out OTC, probability of success goes down because strippers are captive to the club for X amount of time once they come in.

    Unless, of course, the club don't care and the stripper don't care that she gets a reputation and a potential ass-beating.
    How well this works, and the timing of the event, varies a lot by region and club. Many clubs run a hardline schedule, which means that the meeting normally occurs after the club closes. There are also clubs (especially in certain geographies) that run on an open schedule system, which has led to some mid-evening OTC departures, though I never expect that and it usually happens because the girl is having a bad night and offers to leave.

    As I've said before, I am very discreet when I do this and try to fly at ground level. Things have to be going a certain way in the discussion for the topic to even be broached, which means that most girls that I meet get tipped by me without ever hearing a peep about OTC.

    I'm not going to try to convince anyone that this is the right approach - at least not in here It is just something that, for a variety of reasons, works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokeless View Post
    ^^^ I have no problem with fantasy land, a little snuggling (with Kylea, for example, should the occasion arise), and yes, perhaps some nice anatomy in close proximity.
    As long as you understand that a SC is just a fantasy and not reality you'll be safe. Most SC customers don't realize its just a fantasy land.

    No, she really doesn't like you just because she grinds on your lap, gives you her phone number, or wants to meet you outside the club. Not every entertainer is an evil money grubbing prostitute. You have to understand the relationship. My best female friend is a former dancer. There is a significant amount of trust between us, and no, there has never been any sex between us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Some clubs have a "middle shift" where the dancer can leave after nine or ten pm but for the most part I agree with what you are saying KS. This is just one more reason why I'd rather call an escort. I'm single now and I suppose I could bring a dancer back to my place at one or two am but I'd rather just plan things and have my tawdry meaningless sex when I am "up" for it...
    Well sure, every club is different. At the 2 clubs I worked the longest, management/GM/owner knew and loved me, and I could pretty much do anything I want. And no, I wasn't fucking anyone, I was just a good worker, no drama, and personable. So I can think of several times I've left long before I was technically supposed to....usually it was to get high and party...but a few times it was for OTC....usually a custy I already knew, that wasn't at the club that day...but a few times with custies I had just met in the club.

    Plus I bounced around clubs and shifts, so it wasn't hard for me to ask to leave early because I was not around that much and I had never caused any manager any trouble to where he would want to "punish" me by controlling my ability to come and go. OH YES, managers pull that kind of shit all the time.

    So basically...again, this is just a comment on rickdugan's low level of OTC ROI with strippers in the club...

    Most girls you meet will be at a certain point in their shift and can't just leave with you after 20 minutes of banter and drinks. In Vegas, for example, club shift minimums are 6 hours, and you have to beg, cry, and bribe someone to get out of that usually. If they can leave, it often means they are fucking/paying off a decision maker (manager) in the club. While this is all good and fine from your perspective, its a high risk for the dancer because she is decreasing her own profit margin, the opportunity cost of losing good IN CLUB business when she leaves to do OTC, and becoming ostrasized by the other girls as a "whore"...which can lead to an ass-beating. Most strippers aren't insured and hospital bills are expensive.

    Hence, its just not that worth it, or even possible for stripper to leave for OTC. So they perform the extras in club, coordinate OTC events for a later time, don't do ANY extras/OTC, or advertise as escorts through other channels. In fact I've been friends with several GORGEOUS and sweet strippers who worked indy or for agencies on the side because of the high risk of doing it out of the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    So basically...again, this is just a comment on rickdugan's low level of OTC ROI with strippers in the club...

    Most girls you meet will be at a certain point in their shift and can't just leave with you after 20 minutes of banter and drinks. In Vegas, for example, club shift minimums are 6 hours, and you have to beg, cry, and bribe someone to get out of that usually. If they can leave, it often means they are fucking/paying off a decision maker (manager) in the club. While this is all good and fine from your perspective, its a high risk for the dancer because she is decreasing her own profit margin, the opportunity cost of losing good IN CLUB business when she leaves to do OTC, and becoming ostrasized by the other girls as a "whore"...which can lead to an ass-beating. Most strippers aren't insured and hospital bills are expensive.

    Hence, its just not that worth it, or even possible for stripper to leave for OTC. So they perform the extras in club, coordinate OTC events for a later time, don't do ANY extras/OTC, or advertise as escorts through other channels. In fact I've been friends with several GORGEOUS and sweet strippers who worked indy or for agencies on the side because of the high risk of doing it out of the club.
    KS, my ROI on OTC with strippers is actually pretty good, or else I probably wouldn't do it so much I often need to wait until the club closes, but that is nothing new. At clubs all over the country the transfer of strippers from clubs to hotels after hours is a little discussed but very much understood event, particularly from those clubs in metro areas. As I also noted above, I also have my fair share of mid-shift departures, usually in places where the girls are on an open schedule.

    Like I have said, I'm not advocating what I do for others but it works for me. I have never pressured anyone for OTC or treated badly/not tipped an unwilling girl who, for some strange reason, made it through my filters to the point where the topic was broached. I am also not a time-waster and anyone who spends time talking with me receives a tip for her time (and she doesn't even have to grind on me to get it).

    I take it when it is available from a girl that I like and c'est la vie when it is not, but at a 50% success rate (and higher in cities where my connections are set) I feel that my ROI is there.

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    That's fine, not knocking what you are doing. Its a pretty established thing in most clubs, I'm not the one that's going to stop it....as long as you are adequately compensating girls for their time, its all good. Its the cheap guys that keep asking me to stay, promising me dances and champagne rooms that I can't stand..then they want me to come to the hotel after I just spent 30 minutes losing money chatting them up on their promises.

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    I think it funny how -- with a few notable exceptions -- conversations here have almost no context past the immediate quote and perhaps its immediate context. It's as if nothing I've said back 3 or 4 or more messages matters for the current reply, and certainly nothing in my three year history of posting messages here (jeez, that long?). Even if the person replying has participated in the whole thread.

    Not really criticizing this, just finding it funny tonight. It probably serves most readers well. They lurk for a few messages at a time and read what they find momentarily interesting. So context really doesn't matter. But I suspect the lack of context is what leads to most disagreements here.

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    So what was the point of this thread anyway? Besides bragging about getting laid w a few prostitutes? Or was it to tell dancers what we should be doing or putting up with? I really dont get it Rick. I mean if I was a man who was getting laid all the time, I wouldnt feel the need go on a forum and brag about it bc i would be used to it. Unless......I WASNT getting laid....

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