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    hey ya'll,

    i am curious to know if any ya'll have any info on, have ever been or ARE a dancer out there in Guam?

    reason being, is that i am currently pondering the idea, and would like to get some insight to my thoughts on this matter. any info at all would be of big help!

    PS. i have a few ?'s which are listed below!

    here are some of my ?'s...

    What are some of the good clubs to work in out there?

    how is the management?

    the money?

    tips on how to get the job?

    body type and looks?

    recommendations for clubs to audition at?


    thank you very much!

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    There are tons of thread on here about Guam, with very mixed reviews. Just to help you stay on the safe side, if you choose to go I'd suggest booking with a friend who dances.
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    an acquaintance of mine just returned..she was supposed to fulfill a ten week contract but couldn't afford to stay..told me on one full weekend she made $60. I'll stick to my "it depends on the dancer and it's not always the club" thought..another dancer may go in to the same place and clean up. But her report was very poor. She did not tell me the name of the club as I didn't ask..but she did say if she were to go back that G-Spot was supposed to be better. Again this is not my first hand experience, just heard from someone else and you know how that is..

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    I thought they paid for your accommodations and airfare? I am still debating this as well, but with mainland money drying up so bad I'm mostly worried about the clubs being crowded with girls.
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    off subject - youre the first girl ive found on here who works in the same city as me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleigh HellKat View Post
    I thought they paid for your accommodations and airfare? I am still debating this as well, but with mainland money drying up so bad I'm mostly worried about the clubs being crowded with girls.
    I believe most of them pay the airfare as a reimbursement - so they make sure you come out and fulfill your contract before they pay you back for the airfare. Going through one of the agencies could be a different story though since the agent can vouch that you are reliable to catch your flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivygirl View Post
    off subject - youre the first girl ive found on here who works in the same city as me!!!
    Who is?
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    kittenbabii is, we both work in daytona

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    Default Re: Dancing in Guam???

    hey y'all,

    im so glad that im getting replies from my post about going to Guam!
    y'all are very helpful with ur advice.
    also, im taking all a ya'lls info into account in regards to me makin' my decision about this matter! as well as being smart, and doing more research on it to find everything i need.
    thanks y'all!
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    Just my personal opinion ...

    Do NOT go to Guam unless you want to be treated w/ NO respect, feel utterly unsafe, wonder if you're still in the USA (being that it's a USA territory) and are a whore. I have NOTHING good to say about Guam.

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    I thought they paid for your accommodations and airfare?

    I believe most of them pay the airfare as a reimbursement - so they make sure you come out and fulfill your contract before they pay you back for the airfare
    In general, accepting a 'contract' with an offshore club ... whether in a US territory or a foreign country ... involves the club making an 'initial investment' of flying the dancer to the club, with serious expectations on the part of the club that the dancer will provide enough additional club earnings to not only repay that 'initial investment' but also other contract provisions i.e. the cost of her return ticket. Again in general, the club providing a dancer's return ticket is contingent on ...

    A. the dancer remaining for the entire contract period,
    B. the dancer exhibiting a 'serious' work ethic while there,
    C. the dancer being responsible for a reasonable level of earnings thus a sizeable club 'cut' of those earnings.

    In addition to the 'back loaded' return ticket, other monetary aspects may also be 'back loaded' ... such as weekly shift pay, which may in the worst case only get paid as one lump sum upon the dancer's 'successful completion' of the contract. Thus if a dancer enters into such a contract and is unable / unwilling to stay for the entire contact term and also unable / unwilling to do what is necessary to earn enough money such that the club is happy with their 'cut', she may be in for a large and unpleasant financial surprise of receiving reduced / no shift pay plus coughing up the money for her own ( early ) one way return ticket !

    Just my personal opinion, but when I have worked in 'offshore' clubs in the past, I have always paid my own travel expenses as opposed to accepting a 'contract' deal. This allowed me to make my own open-ended 'deal' with the club where I was 'free to leave' at any time - free to take my earnings with me - free to start working at a better club across town etc. In exchange, the club was free of having to 'make an initial investment' in my one way air fare - thus the club was also far less concerned in regard to my earning enough money to 'repay' that initial investment via the club's 'cut' of my earnings ( which usually allowed me to negotiate a more favorable club 'cut' arrangement as well).

    Of course, depending on where the 'offshore' club was located, this also meant that I had to invest >$1-2000 out of my own pocket ( for a round trip open ended airline ticket ) before I earned dollar one at the 'offshore' club. Such is the 'price of freedom' !

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    as melonie pointed out, the contract is terrible. it's so terrible, i was embarrassed to show it to my lawyer because i knew he'd be like "why the fuck are you even considering this?" which is exactly what he said when i showed him some of this.

    i'm sure you can fuck up your day/week/month on your own without flying to guam. save yourself the headache.

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    I'd be interested to see some of the Guam contracts. I've known one girl personally who danced out there, and she liked it. I don't recall which club though. Everyone else I know that have danced out there have been dancers from the forums that didn't seem to have good experiences.
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    I've heard nice things about G-spot and Vikings and TERRIBLE things about Club USA, such as bad management and asshole-ish managers and messy contracts. So I'm pretty sure it depends on the club.

    I've talked to the manager for Vikings on the phone. Seemed pretty straightforward. You do have to pay for your utilities while there, which is like 200 a month. And you still tip your DJ and your floor guy. I think their deal was they DO pay the ticket buuut they withhold your weekly pay for a few weeks to make sure you don't flake. But this was several months ago so I might be misquoting.

    I wouldn't use an agency unless it was Nakita's since she posts here and seems way more trustworthy. And I can't afford to go to Tampa for the interview and I'm not even sure if she books Guam. I haven't heard too many nice things about thebestdancers.com though.
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    Loved Melonie's post and almost completely agree (wow, weird- I never agree with you)! I do book Guam, but it is really hard to get girls to either cough up the money for their own plane ticket, or agree to spend 3 months there so I don't get the chance to book it that often and I don't have a whole lot of info that Melonie didn't cover.

    I do need to point out that whoever said she couldn't afford to stay in Guam, was well- retarded. The proper way to approach a 3 month trip is by making arrangements for your current living situation by subleasing your place or getting out of a lease all together; put your stuff in storage and make arrangements for everything else. In short- GET RID OF YOUR BILLS!!! Having no living expenses (except for your $50/wk housing fee) is EXACTLY the way to do Guam. You get a paycheck to be there for your 6 shifts/wk and you can just collect the cash.

    Also, the woman I book with used to be a feature for our agency and we booked her in Guam. Its been 20 years and she is still there... now running the show and living the life.

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    I wouldn't mind going for the whole 3 months if they pay for airfare. Definitely not. My bf is considering going to Kuwait on a contracting job so I might still go. Does anyone know if you can do longer than 3 months?
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    A friend of mine traveled their and had no complaints. She did say that the only rule is, you're not allowed to tell a customer that they can have sex in VIP and then not do it.

    Ps ~ im a dancer as well. Ill have to edit my profile to say something besides curious guest

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    Ummm... does that mean they are ok with girls having sex in VIP? Or am I misinterpreting what you said.
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    would not recommend going to an island to work for a three month contract and getting rid of your permanent residency for the contracted period of time. if something goes wrong, are you going to fly home and sleep in your storage unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleigh HellKat View Post
    Does anyone know if you can do longer than 3 months?
    Yes, 3 months is normal and you are allowed to extend past that if they approve.

    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    would not recommend going to an island to work for a three month contract and getting rid of your permanent residency for the contracted period of time. if something goes wrong, are you going to fly home and sleep in your storage unit?
    If you do not fulfill a contract you agreed to, you deserve to sleep in a storage unit. If you bail on the contract, that's your fault. AND since you are already 'prepared' to bail on the contract- you probably shouldn't be going anyway. Having an open mind going into new situations is the only way to travel. If you are prepared for it to fail, you will make up a reason for it to.

    If a club boots you for not looking like your pics, fires you for drunken behavior, kicks you out for doing drugs or hooking out of their living quarters, or any of the crazy reasons I have heard girls getting fired from clubs... you deserve to sleep in your storage unit.

    Keep in mind 3 months is a quarter of a year. Thats a long time for anyone paying big bills without even being there! When you come home from a Guam type situation, you will have cash in your pocket and can make arrangements for a NEW life. Girls buy boobs & other plastic surgury, cars, homes, pay off credit cards, pay off student loans, buy businesses etc. IF done correctly (without any expenses), Guam can be the perfect situation for someone with a bit of freedom.

    Housing ($200/mo), phone & internet, and food are your expenses. How great would it be to get by on less than $500/mo expenses with a guaranteed paycheck of $1800/month + in-club profit?

    Many Guam girls say that it isn't big $ there, but they always come away like it was because they didn't have any expenses. I don't think the situation is for everyone. But if you are looking for somewhere to live, a place to work and a nice place to visit... Guam is for you.

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    nakita, okay.

    i still would not recommend someone give up their place of residency and travel to some place they've never been to commit to working for a certain period of time, given all the variables in the adult industry that can affect one's ability to make money (an injury, contact levels, personal emergency, whatever).

    no one should feel so trapped between staying some place they are not comfortable and coming home and sleeping in a storage unit. this is not an issue of deservedness. this is an issue of planning and having an exit strategy if things do not go the way you expect.

    paying three months rent is a small price to pay for peace of mind.

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    I think I still want to go. I have a pretty decent work ethic and really want to be able to have nice furniture for the house my SO and I are getting. Oh and I can sell drinks like nobody's business.

    Plus, I really want to experience travel overseas. I've barely been out of the southeast, so I think it will be something really major for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleigh HellKat View Post
    Ummm... does that mean they are ok with girls having sex in VIP? Or am I misinterpreting what you said.
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    So they ARE ok with it, they just don't want you to lie about it to the customer.

    Is this all clubs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    i still would not recommend someone give up their place of residency and travel to some place they've never been to commit to working for a certain period of time, given all the variables in the adult industry that can affect one's ability to make money (an injury, contact levels, personal emergency, whatever).

    no one should feel so trapped between staying some place they are not comfortable and coming home and sleeping in a storage unit. this is not an issue of deservedness. this is an issue of planning and having an exit strategy if things do not go the way you expect.

    paying three months rent is a small price to pay for peace of mind.
    When you agree to a contract, the only way you could get out of it is what we call 'an act of god' that would physically prevent you from working in the club. For example; an injury would have to be something that would be more than a sprained wrist because you could actually work with a sprained wrist. This 'act of god' (and yes it is written that way in a legal contract), would have to happen directly to you. Which means if your mother ended up in the hospital, you still have to complete the contract.

    You cannot break a contract because you are not making enough $, because you are uncomfortable with the contact levels, because you do not get along with other dancers, because the club doesn't have the music you want, because the bartender doesn't send you customers, because the housemom doesn't like you, because you don't like your roommate, or any other reason that girls come up with these days. Being uncomfortable just isn't an option of breaking a contract and that is the main difference of working with an agency and traveling on your own. This is also the main difference in getting a paycheck at a club or not. When a club offers to pay you, that guaranteed income is guaranteed on their terms.

    The type of person that is attracted to this industry is the type that enjoys the freedom that the jobs allows. It sounds like you are that kind of person camille27. The unfortunate part is that there are consequences when you choose to work with other people in your adult venture. Clubs suffer with insubordinate entertainers, agents suffer with irresponsible entertainers, management suffers with rule-breaking entertainers, waitstaff suffers with self-centered entertainers, other entertainers suffer with stealing and drama filled entertainers, customers suffer with arrogant entertainers. We all work as a team and the team will be successful if we think about it that way.

    Gosh, I feel like I have said this before!?

    Anyway, the type of entertainer who agrees to a 3 month contract doesn't plan to head home in less than 3 months. So, if she has the $1500 to spend on her one-way home, why wouldn't she just go on the road to other jobs while she waits out her apt sub leaser to move out? I think you are thinking WAY too small that a girl would actually be *stuck* if she gave up living quarters temporarily. There are a million options a girl who planned on being away for 3 months would have! You automatically went to "sleep in storage unit" instead of stay w/ friend or family and work? Sounds like a pessimist to me.

    Traveling and dancing isn't for everyone, and definitely not for the pessimistic!

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