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    Default possible 'dirty little secret' regarding the Gulf Oil Spill ...

    no idea whether this is pure bull$#it or factual / plausible in any way ...


    (snip)"What US Scientists Are Forbidden To Tell The Public About The Gulf

    What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration.

    They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max.. Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all. "(snip)

    --Dr. James P. Wickstrom


    SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

    The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.

    The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

    As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

    The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.

    The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

    SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS

    At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

    The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

    This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.

    The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

    The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.

    Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

    (End of scientists information release.) From Tom Buyea FL News Service"(snip)

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    Not so sure about the end of it, but the sandblasting aspect is plausible. I have been thinking that they should be building larger and larger containment structures over the existing one to get more control over what can be done. The 9000 PSI pressure is really scary and hard to work with, so the strongest and heaviest structure possible should be being built without wasting a moment. (I do some creative engineering design at work, making unique tools etc. all the time.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    (snip)"What US Scientists Are Forbidden To Tell The Public About The Gulf

    What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration.
    You really believe this stupid shit don't you?

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    ^^^ yeah I agree that, from a purely logical standpoint, a couple of the underlying points in the linked story seem all too plausible. As you mentioned, sand and rocks carried by the escaping oil flow slowly 'sandblasting' away the walls of the well pipe sounds plausible as hell. But by the same token, so does gradual erosion of the drilled 'hole'.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the well pipe winds up being eroded away by 'sandblasting from the inside out', isn't the ability of any 'cap' to then stop the flow of pressurized oil contingent on the downward weight of the cap exceeding the upward pressure of the oil ? And isn't the ability of any 'cap' to remain in position over the well contingent on having a solid 'bed' to sit on ? If so, then if erosion of the drilled 'hole' is occurring, isn't it just a matter of time before the solid 'bed' that any cap sits on will be eroded away as well ( thinking in terms of some past dam failures ) ?


    You really believe this stupid shit don't you?
    refer to my very first line in this thread ... pure bulls#!t .

    However, you might also refer to ongoing mainstream news video and ongoing revised 3rd party estimates of the well's apparent leakage rate ... which both appear to be increasing with time in accordance with a couple of the major postulates of this so-called 'secret theory'. Perhaps the fact that BP, the US gov't etc. have been downplaying the potential severity and low-balling the leakage numbers from the 'git-go' undermines my ability to accept what they have to say about other aspects at face value.

    Let me make this comment. I'll totally discount this so-called 'secret theory' as pure unadulterated bulls#!t when you totally discount the 'China Syndrome' theory re nuclear power plants as bulls#!t ... since the worst case scenario for both is premised on the same basic physical phenomenon of sudden steam eruption. In fact, the total amount of ( nuclear fuel driven ) heat energy available to drive a Chernobyl-esque steam eruption, while huge in comparison to other common heat sources, is actually infinitesimally small compared to the amount of heat energy available from the earth's crust at a depth of 19,000 feet !!! There's also no disputing the physical fact that oil doesn't 'boil' at 400 degrees, but water does ! You might want to percolate on these points for a minute or two (pun intended) !!!

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    I'm not talking about any of that Melonie, i am talking about the plausibility of any conspiracy theories about scientist being scared of the Obama administration. There have been people saying the oil leak is bigger than anyone has said so far practically since the first day, they are probably right, nobody is being silenced and nobody is scared of repercussions for speaking out.

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    Sorry to break this to you Trem, but it's no secret that the government stands in the way of people knowing the full blown facts about every scandal that arises and gets national publicity.

    Keep in mind that these scientists may not want to give out their names because they are still not sure if this theory is correct. They may want to observe the events that unfold before they slap their sticker of approval on this prediction.

    All of that aside, this really makes me rethink moving back to Houston this summer...

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    nobody is being silenced and nobody is scared of repercussions for speaking out
    Again I'd have a much easier time accepting this assertion at face value if there weren't already a large number of 'global warming naysayer' scientists stating that there were indeed 'repurcussions' involved for speaking out re another 'politically incorrect' area of scientific theory ( well, prior to the UK climate center falsified data scandal anyhow ). It's an undisputable fact that the majority of scientific positions are either directly funded by the gov't ( gov't agencies like NASA / state universities etc. ) or indirectly funded by the gov't ( research grants, green energy / defense industry research arms ).

    Look, I'll be blunt in terms of personal interpretation. There are an incredible number of documented cases where the gov't has gone to great lengths to obscure the true but politically inconvenient facts of a situation. One need look no farther than the 'doctored' official unemployment numbers or the 'adjusted' GDP numbers being released every month to know that there is a major 'gap' between those official figures and the real world situation any intelligent person is able to see with their own eyes. Arguably, one need look no farther than global warming or the Wall St bailout to know that the true severity of the problem ( or lack thereof ) did not correspond with the gov'ts reaction to the problem or mainstream media reports of the problem.

    While I'm going to avoid veering off course into any disputes about the actual severity of these other problems, I do want to reiterate this basic point. Put simply, the element of 'trust' which accompanied official government / corporate announcements on ANY subject made 20-30-50 years ago has recently been severely undermined !!! This in turn makes it more difficult to simply dismiss a plausible theory because the gov't / a major corporation officially disagrees with that theory. This also makes it more difficult to dismiss the possibility, however remote, that information supporting that officially unacceptable theory could be the target of supression.

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    Default Re: possible 'dirty little secret' regarding the Gulf Oil Spill ...

    Mel, even for you, this is a little out there.

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    Default Re: possible 'dirty little secret' regarding the Gulf Oil Spill ...

    look, I'm not promoting this 'secret theory'. I'm merely making others aware that it's out there.

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    Default Re: possible 'dirty little secret' regarding the Gulf Oil Spill ...

    If you think its bullshit as you point out on the first post why bother spreading it?

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    The wear would be only on the vertical surfaces. If it flowed into a "box" first that was much larger then the sides of the box would be safe. You could then purposely use a material that sand can't erode. Not easy, I know since it is basically quartz with a hardness of 7ish.
    Yes, the weight of the cap would have to take 9000 minus (pressure of the water at that depth).
    On a side note there is great plausibilty in Global Warming being BS. It may just be a cyclical shift in weather and even a warming prior to a mini-ice age. I know where I am that all the seasons have been milder, including a cooler Summer! There is stuff on the web that shows how the official temp monitoring sensors are placed near sources of heat like AC exhaust outlets etc. We all know cities are warmer anyways so why monitor a temp there??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Again I'd have a much easier time accepting this assertion at face value if there weren't already a large number of 'global warming naysayer' scientists stating that there were indeed 'repurcussions' involved for speaking out re another 'politically incorrect' area of scientific theory ( well, prior to the UK climate center falsified data scandal anyhow ). It's an undisputable fact that the majority of scientific positions are either directly funded by the gov't ( gov't agencies like NASA / state universities etc. ) or indirectly funded by the gov't ( research grants, green energy / defense industry research arms )

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    That's not true. If anything, government scientists were pressured to deny global warming is happening, by the Bush Administration.
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    I feel strongly that ignorance should be eradicated, not spread. I'm sorry if that offends you.

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    well, isn't bp going to drill several other lines nearby to relieve pressure on this one? if so, i don't think there's much reason to worry about this happening.

    it pisses me off that they knew better. they weren't doing enough to keep conditions safe, because they were trying to cut costs/maximize profits or whatever, and now we've all got to deal with this. and we all know they'll find ways to get around actually paying for most of it. shell corporations held by shell corporations and all that.

    by the time this is all done with, my whole state is gonna be fucked. i wish there was something to actually be done, but i don't think there is.

    on another note, if you've got money, you'd be wise to invest in beachfront property in florida in the next few years, provided you don't mind waiting a couple decades. once things mostly clear up, your investment will skyrocket in value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
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    OK I just re-read my post and it sounds harsh. I'm sorry Mel.

    It's wacked, but I should have been nicer in the way I said it.

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    and we all know they'll find ways to get around actually paying for most of it.
    Yup.

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    ...jeez Trem and Hyde
    It goes without saying that if I post a highly controversial topic whose source is also highly controversial, that I'm wide open for criticism. I don't fault anyone for doing so. However, at the same time, I hope that references to other unrelated material also available from the highly contriversial source ( rense ) do not cause readers to dismiss the topic I cited based purely on 'guilt by association' as opposed to an analysis of the supposed facts of the 'story'.


    isn't bp going to drill several other lines nearby to relieve pressure on this one? if so, i don't think there's much reason to worry about this happening
    ... I'm certainly no engineer, but based on basic logic the success of any relief well effort is going to depend on the existing well being 'kept under control' long enough so the point is achieved where the relief wells are able to lower the 'natural' oil pressure differential low enough to allow the existing well to be capped. However, this may turn out to be an extreme challenge ...


    I feel strongly that ignorance should be eradicated, not spread.
    Fair enough. Let's try for a bit of 'ignorance eradication' using more mainstream sources ...



    (snip)"On May 31st, the Washington Post noted:

    Sources at two companies involved with the well said that BP also discovered new damage inside the well below the seafloor and that, as a result, some of the drilling mud that was successfully forced into the well was going off to the side into rock formations.

    "We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface," said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said that mud was making it "out to the side, into the formation."


    On June 2nd, Bloomberg pointed out:

    Plugging the well is another challenge even after BP successfully intersects it, Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor, said. BP has said it believes the well bore to be damaged, which could hamper efforts to fill it with mud and set a concrete plug, Bea said.

    Bea is an expert in offshore drilling and a high-level governmental adviser concerning disasters.


    On the same day, the Wall Street Journal noted that there might be a leak in BP's well casing 1,000 feet beneath the sea floor:

    BP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

    The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.


    On June 3rd, The Canadian Press quoted the top government official in charge of the response to the oil spill - Admiral Thad Allen, the commandant of the Coast Guard - as pointing to the same possibility:

    The failure of the so-called top kill procedure - which entailed pumping mud into the well at high velocity - suggested "there actually could be something wrong with the well casing, and there could be open communication in the strata or the rock formations below the sea floor," Allen said.


    On June 7th, Senator Bill Nelson told MSNBC that he's investigating reports of oil seeping up from additional leak points on the seafloor:

    Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL): Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.

    Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC: Now let me understand better what you’re saying. If that is true that it is coming up from that seabed, even the relief well won’t be the final solution to cap this thing. That means that we’ve got oil gushing up at disparate places along the ocean floor.

    Sen. Nelson: That is possible, unless you get the plug down low enough, below where the pipe would be breached."(snip)


    (snip)Indeed, loss of integrity in the well itself may explain why BP is drilling its relief wells more than ten thousand feet beneath the leaking pipes on the seafloor (and see this).


    Yesterday, recently-retired Shell Oil President John Hofmeister said that the well casing below the sea floor may have been compromised:

    [Question] What are the chances that the well casing below the sea floor has been compromised, and that gas and oil are coming up the outside of the well casing, eroding the surrounding soft rock. Could this lead to a catastrophic geological failure, unstoppable even by the relief wells?

    John Hofmeister: This is what some people fear has occurred. It is also why the "top kill" process was halted. If the casing is compromised the well is that much more difficult to shut down, including the risk that the relief wells may not be enough. If the relief wells do not result in stopping the flow, the next and drastic step is to implode the well on top of itself, which carries other risks as well.


    As noted yesterday in The Engineer magazine, an official from Cameron International - the manufacturer of the blowout preventer for BP's leaking oil drilling operation - noted that one cause of the failure of the BOP could have been damage to the well bore:

    Steel casing or casing hanger could have been ejected from the well and blocked the operation of the rams.


    Oil industry expert Rob Cavner believes that the casing might be damaged beneath the sea floor, noting:

    The real doomsday scenario here… is if that casing gives up, and it does come through the other strings of pipe. Remember, it is concentric pipe that holds this well together. If it comes into the formation, basically, you‘ve got uncontrolled [oil] flow to the sea floor. And that is the doomsday scenario.

    Cavner also said BP must "keep the well flowing to minimize oil and gas going out into the formation on the side": (snip)


    ... I'm certainly not an engineer, but all of these mainstream news snippets appear to be referring to the strong possibility that the steel well casing has already sustained damage below the seabed - most likely as an immediate result of the original gas bubble. I assume this means that, at some depth below the sea floor, a 'hole' already exists in the well casing that is allowing oil to escape not only via the inside of the well casing pipe but also on the outside ( between the pipe and the surrounding rock formation ).

    A failure of the steel well casing below the seabed, and a possible shift of the steel well casing as a consequence, would seem to explain a whole lot of aftermath i.e. the failure of the blowout preventer to operate, the failure of the mud pumping operation, the 'unnecessarily deep' drilling of the relief wells ( with associated extension of estimated completion dates ), the marginal success of the 'pipe cap suction' oil recovery efforts on the existing well pipe ( with ongoing delays in closing pipe cap 'vents' )etc.

    Again I am not promoting the 'secret theory' ... but merely pointing out the existance of a whole lot of 'question marks' that have also been available from mainstream sources ( but never 'connected' ) which appear to support aspects of the 'secret theory' rather than providing sound contradictions.

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    and without getting massively verbose, I'll add the following mainstream media snippets ...


    (snip)"Coast Guard to probe report of new Gulf spill: official

    By Agence France-Presse

    NEW ORLEANS — US authorities will investigate reports that another oil spill is sullying Gulf of Mexico waters not far from the site of the BP disaster, the top official overseeing the cleanup and containment effort said Tuesday.

    The Press Register newspaper based in the Gulf city of Mobile, Alabama, was one of several US news outlets reporting that a second spill had occurred at the Ocean Saratoga rig operated by the Diamond Offshore drilling company.

    Asked about the spill, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen told a press conference here: "We're going to get detailed information and we'll release a statement later on it.

    The Press Register reported that a crew boat was seen spraying dispersant on a slick emanating from the drilling rig, which operates in deep water about 12 miles (19 kilometers) off the tip of Louisiana.

    The newspaper said it had obtained a federal document showing that the leak, which it said has generated a 10 mile (16 kilometer) long oil slick, has been ongoing since April 30."(snip)

    .... also from CNN ....

    (snip)"Coast Guard: Tar balls found in Keys not from BP spill

    Tar balls discovered on the Florida Keys shoreline are not connected to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the Coast Guard said Wednesday.

    Tests done "conclusively show" that the tar balls found on the shoreline do not match the type of oil from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The source of the tar balls remains unknown at this time.

    "The conclusion that these tar balls are not from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill incident in no way diminishes the need to continue to aggressively identify and clean up tar ball-contaminated areas in the Florida Keys," Capt. Pat DeQuattro, commanding officer of the Coast Guard's Key West sector said."(snip)


    ... and this anecdote with commentary from admittedly fringe Zeta ...

    (snip)" "I heard a fascinating radio feed of a man who is an undercover reporter currently situated on Grand Isle, LA. Allegedly, there is a lot of government watchdog activity mandating a total media shut down in relation to the BP oil incident. He reports people are being arrested if they have cameras, attempting to take pictures, police lines and road blocks to search cars for cameras, and the locals have been warned not to talk to anyone and appear threatened etc. The fear is Marshall Law could be applied any day now. I am wondering if this could possibly be the beginning of the Madrid fault incident starting to take place and it is actually this which the government is trying to keep out of the public eye and knowledge. Do the Zetas have any inside knowledge if this is truth or sensationalism in the report? "

    The government is not trying to save BP from embarrassment, or protect the oil industry, or even save itself from embarrassment by these actions. It is trying to prevent awareness of what is going on in the Gulf in general from becoming a media focus.

    We are speaking here of the many leaky wells in the Gulf, which have never leaked oil in the past to this degree - established wells, leaking oil suddenly. This is likely...to lead to connecting the dots, realizing that sinkholes and dropping bridges and unexplained booms are somehow related, which they are. They are at the point of fearing that the public will connect the dots even with media suppression in place. "(snip)

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    by the time this is all done with, my whole state is gonna be fucked. i wish there was something to actually be done, but i don't think there is.
    actually, there were a number of things that could actually be done but weren't ... for example ...

    (snip)"Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

    It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

    The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston."(snip)

    (snip)"U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

    At that rate, how much more oil could have been removed from the Gulf during the past month?

    The uncoordinated response to an offer of assistance has become characteristic of this disaster's response. Too often, BP and the government don't seem to know what the other is doing, and the response has seemed too slow and too confused.

    Federal law has also hampered the assistance. The Jones Act, the maritime law that requires all goods be carried in U.S. waters by U.S.-flagged ships, has prevented Dutch ships with spill-fighting equipment from entering U.S. coastal areas.

    “What's wrong with accepting outside help?” Visser asked. “If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands.”

    Even if, three days after the rig exploded, it seemed as if the Dutch equipment and expertise wasn't needed, wouldn't it have been better to accept it, to err on the side of having too many resources available rather than not enough?"(snip)

    (snip)"While the skimmers should soon be in use, the plan for building sand barriers remains more uncertain. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal supports the idea, and the Coast Guard has tentatively approved the pro-ject. One of the proposals being considered was developed by the Dutch marine contractor Van Oord and Deltares, a Dutch research institute that specializes in environmental issues in deltas, coastal areas and rivers. They have a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.

    That proposal, like the offer for skimmers, was rebuffed but later accepted by the government. BP has begun paying about $360 million to cover the costs. Once again, though, the Jones Act may be getting in the way. American dredging companies, which lack the dike-building expertise of the Dutch, want to do the work themselves, Visser said.

    “We don't want to take over, but we have the equipment,” he said.

    While he battles the bureaucracy, the people of Louisiana suffer, their livelihoods in jeopardy from the onslaught of oil.

    “Let's forget about politics; let's get it done,” Visser said."(snip)


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    ... or put another way, the US federal Jones Act law mandates that only US crews manning ships built in US shipyards can enter US coastal waters. President Bush chose to waive the Jones Act during Hurricane Katrina to allow 'foreign' help. President Obama had the same option available but chose not to exercise it ... instead 'waiting' seven weeks while skimmer booms can be imported from Holland for installation on US ships that may finally start skimming up oil next week. Failure to exercise a waiving of the Jones Act also explains why there are no artificial sand bars in place to protect Louisiana wetlands. But hey those unionized US ship's crews and US gov't contractors are raking in a lot of overtime pay !!!

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    Damn Mel - I think you got brain tissue in those boobs. ;-)

    Your research ability kicks a**.

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    ^^^ in truth, many internet sources have been pulling these apparent 'puzzle pieces' together so this definitely doesn't qualify as 'original' research.

    Also, there are a lot of people down here in my new 'home' that are getting quite concerned that the gulf oil spills could make a 'right turn' instead of a 'left turn' ... or even worse that the 'secret theory's' rising underground oil pressure scenario could wreak havoc causing leaks to start from established offshore oil wells along 'our' coast !

    And unlike the US, we get much higher exposure to international mainstream news sources down here ... which is how the Jones Act / refusal of Dutch aid and expertise business was brought to my attention.

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    Here's an interesting link an old college friend of mine posted on Facebook:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-...pha-2010-06-10

    Personally, given the choice between Obama being untrustworthy and in charge of a government scaring scientists into conforming with government spawned bullshit protecting big oil companies, and that lying, corrupt, sack of shit big oil motherfucker Bush* scaring scientists into conforming with government spawned bullshit protecting big oil companies, I'd choose to side with Obama any day. Not that I am in awe of Obama, far from it--I just know what a fucking chump Bush was, sucking up to big oil and big business as a matter of course.

    Now this thread is getting political, and I just helped. Maybe I need to just move it to 'Games, Puzzles, and Surveys', like all the rest of the Political threads. Not just yet I think.


    *Who incidentally was always in close alliance with the fucking right wing Jesus Freak nutcase Bible beaters who want to shut down any and all adult businesses--this means stripclubs. I will never understand anyone who is in the adult entertainment industry, actually supporting a hypocritical Jesus Freak scumbag like Bush.


    ETA sorry y'all, for getting political. Melonie started it! LOL...

    I will move it if there are any problems.
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    I think we can all agree that this article, from a clearly unbiased news source, is as irrefutable as any out there:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/mas...from-bp,17564/
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