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    Default What's up with all these religous schools going over board?

    Just saw where a lady was fired because she admitted to having premarital sex before she got married! She was a teacher at a private school.

    Then I talk to my mom the other day and she said that my little sister who is 14 and in 8th grade got in trouble because she wore a g string to school. Well, one of the gym teachers told her she does not need to be wearing things like that in a atmosphere like this. She was undressing in the locker room!! What's the effin deal!? Seriously like I used to wear g-strings/thongs all the time since I was in middle school and it was normal as can be!

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    Well, I don't know if they're going over board. They have their beliefs, and if you want to be part of them, you have to follow the rules.

    In the instance of the woman who got fired for premarital sex, she was a teacher at a Catholic school. As part of her being hired, she had to sign a contract stating she would follow the guidelines of the Catholic faith, including abstinence before marriage.

    Regardless if you think that rule is ridiculous, the woman signed a contract to work there agreeing not to have premarital sex...then came to school pregnant before she was married.

    To work at a religious institution, you kind of have to abide by the rules. It'd be like working at Planned Parenthood and thinking birth control/abortion should be outlawed.

    And sorry, I think a G-string in 8th grade is a little ridiculous, but I'm a prude.

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    First off, I don't think it's cool for an 8th grader to wear a g string. I am sick of how girls are sexualized in society. Why her parents let her wear that I don't get. If I have daughters they will not wear g strings or dress sexual until they are older. However, I don't get why the gym teacher was watching her undress anyway.

    Having said that, I get why religious schools push their agendas. For instance, there are several gay parents fighting a Catholic school here because the schools only allows kids of heterosexual parents enroll. Discrimination? Perhaps, but the Catholic religion teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Personally, I don't feel that way, but it's a church doctrine. However, I would be fully supportive if a Catholic school didn't hire a single parent because that is a big issue in our society. I make no bones about the fact that I think in most cases single parenthood is wrong and would be livid if I had kids in Catholic schools and found out their teacher wasn't following the religion (or at least pretending to follow the views since we all know most people have premarital sex).

    Incidentally, several years ago I interviewed for a teaching job at a Catholic school and they told me that I have to sign papers if hired stating I am pro life. This is interesting because I have given money to NARAL and other abortion rights groups though personally I could never have an abortion. In some eyes it makes me a hypocrite because the Catholic Church feels abortion is wrong, but I insist there are situations where abortions are needed (for instance, rape, health of mother, or child would be severely disabled).

    And before people turn this into a Catholic bashing thread, let me point out that EVERY school run by a church pushes their views on students. For instance, at many fundamentalist schools, women often aren't allowed to study certain subjects, and even have strict rules. At least things like this don't usually happen at Catholic schools. Sure, Catholic schools are strict, but so are any church schools. In fact the guy I love asked me to promise him that if we have kids we won't send them to Catholic schools because of this. I told him that all religious schools are strict.

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    Work in a strip club? Get fired for keeping your clothes on or not doing enough dances. Not written down
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    News anchor? drop ratings, lose your looks or speech, Swear on air and lose your job. Not written down

    Work at a resort? Be mean to guests or too slow, lose your job.

    Teach religious ethics to kids or work for a school that does? Expect to lose your job if you violate those tenets.

    EVERY JOB HAS EXPECTED NORMS. IDIOTS THINK THEY CAN VIOLATE THEM AND NOT GET CONSEQUENSES.

    According to the Christians (of which I am NOT one....in a doctrinal manner) it is BLACK LETTER law not to have premarital sex. How do you teach that and say "except for Sarah, it's OK for her but NOT for you kids!" or "Kids, Miss Sarah is a Slut, and a Sinner, but she has the right to teach you because she didn't KNOW we had rules against sex."

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    and...since someone else at MM responded to my post with a follow up:
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    So because someone sleeps with the man she is about to marry in 3 weeks she is a slut?

    To me, NO. According to the doctrine professed by the school she chose to work for (and I'd bet, by her, to the students and administration more than once) YES. Well, if not a slut, at least inappropriate and living against doctrine.

    If you dont believe in a faith, dont profess to teach it.

    If you dont share a lifestyle, dont make others believe you do.

    Not fair to them, hard on you, and comes around to bite someone in the ass later

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPoKo View Post
    According to the Christians (of which I am NOT one....in a doctrinal manner) it is BLACK LETTER law not to have premarital sex. How do you teach that and say "except for Sarah, it's OK for her but NOT for you kids!" or "Kids, Miss Sarah is a Slut, and a Sinner, but she has the right to teach you because she didn't KNOW we had rules against sex."
    Actually Christianity is about forgiveness of sins.

    First, we must realize we are all sinners, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

    "...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). The important part here is "after [death] the judgment." So it is God's place to judge, not ours.

    But God loved us so much He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to bear our sins and die in our place."...He hath made Him [Jesus, Who knew no sin] to be sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21).

    It seems to me that the Catholic church that fired a secretary for having pre-marital sex needs to think about who judges, who died on the cross and who forgave.

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    Default Re: What's up with all these religous schools going over board?

    I have worked plenty of jobs with extremely stupid rules before. You still have to follow them no matter how you feel about them.

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    I meant to mention this last night because it pertains to this. A few months ago I had an interview with a Christian organization (I think they publish bibles but not sure) for a marketing director position. The lady told me that if I was to receive the job I had to sign a moral clause. Among these rules was that I could not live with a man without marriage, that I couldn't have kids out of wedlock, and many more rules (there was about 4 pages of rules). This wasn't Catholic either so yes, any organization that is a religious one will have rules you have to follow.

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    Hey kids. Remember.

    If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.

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    It's not about Christians having to forgive, it's about employees having to really think before they sign a contract with a behavior clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autumn Lily View Post
    Hey kids. Remember.

    If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.
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    Run with monsters, expect to get bit. That's how I feel about it.

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    Yes, we all sin. In the Catholic faith, when you do you go to Confession, confess it and promise never to do it again. She didn't confess (in fact probably continued banging him all during the pregnancy) and certainly didn't promise never to sin again. Had she, there MIGHT be a leg to stand on. Without it, their rules, she broke em.

    Do I agree w the rule? No, but I didnt choose to work for a catholic school teaching kids.

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    b/c private schools can do whatever they want. just how it goes. doesn't make it right or wrong it is how it is. the one thing i dont get is how the government can tell private business owners what to do with their business (ie: smoking bans) and then private schools are allowed to discriminate.

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    I don't like that religious schools exist for various reasons, but I just have to accept that they are going to exist. I've even worked in several religious schools (not directly employed by them). I understand that I need to try to abide by their faith when there and it makes them more comfortable if I appear to abide by it always. I dress appropriately, adjust my behavior and speech (sometime I have to play the meek little woman, which I hate), stay away from taboo topics, and answer directly religious questions vaguely enough that they can be satisfied and I don't have to lie.

    If you are a struggling teacher looking for work and the only option is a catholic school, I don't think it is wrong to teach there. I don't think it is wrong to practice whatever behavior you wish in your private life (even if it's against their morals and rules), however, you do need to make sure that it does not affect your work. No one from work should know whether or not you're having sex, and if you get pregnant, they will know.

    No job can dictate what you do in your private life. They can dictate what affects your job, which includes behaviors in your public life. Teachers are not allowed to drink or party where students can see them, yet they still party (just more discreetly). Unfortunately, the school has the right to create an environment for their students and when working at the school, you need to keep up the illusion too.

    If you work for an organization that promotes the vegan lifestyle you would get in trouble for bringing spare ribs to work for lunch or even for winning the local rib eating contest. It's just a conflict of interest.

    Respect those who give you your paycheck....or at least appear to...even though you know them to be an idiot sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPoKo View Post
    Yes, we all sin. In the Catholic faith, when you do you go to Confession, confess it and promise never to do it again.
    Yet even if we do confess and promise not to sin again, we do. It's a condition of our humanity.

    She didn't confess (in fact probably continued banging him all during the pregnancy)
    We certainly don't know that to be the case.

    and certainly didn't promise never to sin again. Had she, there MIGHT be a leg to stand on. Without it, their rules, she broke em.
    It might have been a parish rule, but that's not the point you were making. You claimed that Christianity requires the result. In fact, the Bible directly contradicts that claim.

    HTH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autumn Lily View Post
    Hey kids. Remember.

    If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.


    That's good! First time I've heard that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devinxoxo View Post
    b/c private schools can do whatever they want. just how it goes. doesn't make it right or wrong it is how it is. the one thing i dont get is how the government can tell private business owners what to do with their business (ie: smoking bans) and then private schools are allowed to discriminate.
    That is a good question. I've never understood the idea that businesses have to follow certain rules (for instance a percentage often have to be minority) while as far as I know church organizations don't have to obey. In fact many church organizations will discriminate on the basis of religion and even gender, which is a no no when it comes to businesses. Why can they get away with it and not other companies? Probably because they are a church based company and can say they are following their religious views.

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