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Once again,a bunch of arrogant assumptions from someone who hasn't been to the country.This is one of the reasons why I don't visit this site much anymore...All these things people have been guessing here exist in pretty much every country,yes,even here.
To the OP...yes,she could have been looking for a husband to stay here;yes,she might have liked you;yes,maybe she thinks that's how the business works and being inexperienced,it could have been anything.Why does it have anything to do with her being russian?Do you think women from other countries or americans won't do it?Wrong!I've been in this business an extremely long time and often seen the LOCALS sitting around not knowing what to do,instead of working and making money...And why assume that there is AWLWAYS an agenda?
OP,if you like her,just go with your feelings and see what happens,instead of giving yourself a headache trying to figure it out...And to others,stop watching so many cheap cold war movies........
Good luck!
gi'r





The OP has mentioned very little about his physical attributes, i.e., if he's tall, dark, handsome, athletic, young, etc...., or his personality, i.e., charming, funny, flirtatious, etc. Obviously, this plays a factor in the analysis.
Golden opportunities do fall from the sky once in a while - she could be looking for a nice American boyfriend with no hidden agenda (other than the standard female agenda of marrying/domesticating an attractive male who also happens to be a great provider), but I would maintain a very healthy skepticism. The level of skepticism should depend somewhat on the OP's attractiveness factor. If he's the type of guy that has women chasing after him whereever he goes, there's a decent chance that she's really interested. If he's the type of guy that women run away from, she's out to scam him.





^ He mentioned he's young, tall, and works out. She might be looking for a boyfriend. She might have an agenda. Just take it slow. Ask lots of questions.
I updated in my last post:
Like a mentioned in my last post in this thread, we talk a lot on the phone usually two or so hours a day when time permits. As I mentioned above, she wanted to come up and hang out with me (I live six hours away) for 4th of July weekend. Figured she was joking about wanting to come up for the 4th but the more we talked last week I realized she was serious and gave her my address. She drove up Friday stayed in a hotel close by to my house. Took her out to eat Friday night, hung out at my place for awhile and the took her back to her hotel. Saturday I borrowed one of my friend's boats and took her wakeboarding (I had mentioned that I wakeboard almost every weekend, and she wanted to try it). Cooked her dinner at my house and she ended up staying at my place that night. Next day I took her to my friend's 4th of July party and had a ton of fun. She ended up staying at my place again Sunday the 4th and left Monday after going out to lunch with me.
We had a lot of fun last weekend. We really do have a lot of common interests, goals, and get a long great. She got a long great with all my friends which was a big plus (my ex was the biggest downer and bitch when it came to hanging out with my friends) and overall is just a fun person to be around. I totally didn't expect to meet a potential g/f when I went to the SC the first time but I guess things like this happen when and where we least expect it.
I'm going to be down in her area in a week and half so we've made plans to hang out for the weekend again.
Thanks everyone for the responses. Thought I would update everyone on whats going on.
I doesn't have anything to do with her being Russian, I was just being descriptive when I was describing the situation. I don't always assume that there is a hidden agenda but seeing that I'm inexperienced with SC's I figured maybe there was an agenda to get money from me, but seeing that we had a lot of fun hanging out last weekend at my house (she didn't ask me for money or anything like that) I've come to realize that money is not something she's after (I'm a recent college graduate, she knows I'm not rich by any means). I was just making an assumption, but was clearly wrong due to inexperience.
I think I described myself in the first post of the thread but I'll expand a little bit.
- 25 years old
- 6'0
- 190 lbs
- Short Spikey Blonde Hair
- Blue Eyes
- Tan
- I workout 5 days a week and diet so I'm in great shape (last I checked I'm 8% body-fat)
- Recent College Graduate
- Employed
In regards to my personality:
- Polite
- Intelligent
- Confident
- Extremely Outgoing
- I joke around a lot
- I'm extremely flirty with girls I'm comfortable and attracted too
- Honest
Overall, I consider myself to be well-versed and well rounded. Girls don't stalk or chase me but I seem to meet new women on a weekly basis in various settings (grocery store, gym, gas station etc...) and have no issue finding women to date.
It's funny because I didn't go into the SC looking for anything more then a few drinks and some fun.
I'm taking it pretty slow. We are just hanging out and getting to know eachother better. She's definitely looking for a boyfriend and I'm looking for a girlfriend, but I'm not to sure I'm interested in a long distance relationship (She lives 6 hours from me). Mentally and Physically she fits the mold of women I tend to date, I just wish she was local.





^^ Based on everything, it does seem that she may be interested in dating you. As far as an "agenda" - all women have them - marriage, domesticated husband that they boss around, "white picket fence", house in the suburbs, BMW SUV, vacations in Europe, etc.
The question then, is whether you're interested in dating a dancer. Maybe she's dancing temporarily (not an issue) or maybe she wants to make a life-long career out of it (potential issue)... After the novelty and ego-trip of picking up a dancer fades,... can you handle a LTR with one... or will you turn out to be a judgmental/possessive/jealous BF that tries to turn her away from the job she enjoys?





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I didn't know this at the time, but at one club I worked with many Russian, Latvian, other Eastern European girls. A few years later I was looking up something and found out that this guy was sending these girls to clubs, including the one I worked at. It was a big article in the Sun-Times and possibly Tribune about this problem. Apparently these guys told the girls they would be "models" in the USA. When they got here, he took their passports away and told them they had to make so much money a day.
Here's one of the articles:
August 18, 2002
BY STEVE WARMBIR FEDERAL COURTS REPORTER
She was 23 and earning good money as a marketing manager in Riga, Latvia, when a stranger, oozing compliments, sidled up to her on the street and made her a tempting offer.
How would an attractive woman like her like to travel to the United States to dance in a bar and make big money--$60,000 in a single year?
No nudity, no sex, no catches.
Just dancing in a bikini.
The woman, who would be known later only as Linda to a federal jury in Chicago, was intrigued. In Latvia, even doctors earn only $30 a month.
Before long, she accepted the stranger's offer, and thus began a journey that turned her into a terrified sex slave, held captive and beaten in homes in suburban Mount Prospect and Lincolnwood, and forced to strip at clubs.
The stranger who lured Linda to the United States, Alex Mishulovich, eventually was convicted of leading a slavery ring and, in February, was sentenced to nine years and three months in prison. The judge called Mishulovich a sociopath. That successful prosecution, led by Assistant U.S. Attorney Terry Kinney, marked one of the first times in the United States that a sex slavery case resulted in a conviction.
Mishulovich used to brag that he had ties to the Chechen mafia, a notorious crime organization that grew up in the economic chaos that followed the fall of the Soviet Union. While it is unlikely he was, in fact, an actual member of the Chechen mafia--he is Jewish, and that crime group is largely restricted to Muslims--it is clear he had an association with the group, court records show.
It is also clear, law enforcement officials say, that Linda's story is not unique. For several years now, Russian and Eastern European organized crime figures have been bringing women to the United States, including Chicago, where they are forced to strip and dance nude and work as prostitutes.
Linda was never physically shackled and chained, so why didn't she simply walk away?
She did try, even before leaving Latvia. And she found it was not so easy.
When, in October 1996, she expressed reservations about going, she saw Mishulovich's dark side for the first time.
"I asked for my passport back, and he said wait a minute, and he suddenly became really rude, and he totally changed," Linda recalled to the jury at trial. "And I was scared. I saw that strange expression on his face, and I thought something is not right here. And I told him that I'm not going to go. I have important work coming up, and I have changed my mind."
Mishulovich, she said, went berserk, yelling and screaming.
"He said that he was going to cut up my pretty face, so no one is ever going to look at me," she said, "and my life was going to change from that point, as well as my family's."
Why didn't she go to the police?
"Being raised and born in Latvia, I havereason to trust the police over there," she said. "Organized crime is so much more powerful. That's just how it is."
Leaving her parents and brother behind, Linda flew with Mishulovich to Chicago. After arriving at O'Hare Airport, she and several other young foreign women were herded into a Mount Prospect apartment. And it was only then that they learned, much to their horror, that they would be stripping for a living.
At first, the young women were permitted to leave the apartment, but under tight restrictions. They could go for a jog, while a Mishulovich associate watched from a balcony. They could go to a tanning salon, but they had to return to the apartment right away.
If they violated the rules, they were fined hundreds of dollars or beaten.
To teach them how to strip like pros, Mishulovich and his associates ordered the women to watch two movies repeatedly--the 1996 film "Striptease," starring Demi Moore, and the 1995 film "Showgirls," starring Elizabeth Berkley.
Mishulovich obtained fake driver's licenses and Social Security cards for the women, and then he and his associates took them to audition at local clubs. The women danced at the Skybox strip club in Harvey, and the Admiral Theatre and Crazy Horse in Chicago, among others.
Linda initially didn't want to dance topless but wanted to go in her bikini, which cut her earning power.
Mishulovich ordered her to make more money, no matter what she had to do--or else.
"He said he was going to lock me into the basement and make me have sex," she said, "or he was going to kill me and pour acid over me, and no one's ever going to find me."
And he did more than make threats.
"The next day, I went to the club, and the money I made was still not enough," Linda said. "And Alex said something to me, and I said something to him, and he slammed me into the wall, and I passed out."
Another woman at the apartment "dragged me into the bathroom," Linda said. "I was throwing up, and I was unconscious. I guess I had a brain concussion, and I was in bed for about three days. I was not even able to stand up. I was feeling dizzy."
No one called a doctor.
Four days later, Linda returned to the Sky Box--and she danced naked.
"I . . . I didn't want to be slammed in . . . in the wall again," she said.
The women in the apartment, including Linda, began to drink. It was a way to cope.
"I didn't feel good at all," Linda said. "I was constantly drinking before I even could go up on stage and do that."
The women earned good money--sometimes several hundred dollars a night--but often were allowed to keep as little as $20. Back in Latvia, they had agreed with Mishulovich that they would split their earnings evenly, but he had forgotten to tell them about the "expenses," including exorbitant charges for rent and utilities.
The women worried about their own safety, but perhaps that would not have been enough to keep them in psychological bondage. They worried more about what might happen to their families if they defied Mishulovich.
Once, he ripped from Linda's neck a charm that held a picture of her mother. If Linda left, he said, he would have his Chechen mob friends hunt her mother down and kill her.
The women were moved from the Mount Prospect apartment to Mishulovich's Lincolnwood home in early 1997 after a Mishulovich associate was arrested and deported.
There, life for the women was even worse.
After working all night in the strip clubs, they would fall asleep at 6 a.m., only to be awakened four hours later by screaming arguments between Mishulovich and his mother. The women were ordered to scrub the floors and clean the house before going to work.
Mishulovich apparently didn't want his neighbors to know about the women, so they were never allowed outdoors.
One of them, Agita, asked, "Can we just go up and down the block, just to breathe some fresh air, maybe for a jog or anything?"
And then there were Mishulovich's own crude advances. He would paw at the women and masturbate near them.
About a year after being brought to the United States, Linda finally did get her freedom.
A man she met at one of the clubs bought her freedom for $5,000 and a Cartier watch.
Now, Mishulovich said, the man could do whatever he pleased with her. The man could "cut and kill" her, Mishulovich said, according to court testimony, or throw her in the river.
But the man, a manager at a Chicago car dealership, said he wanted only one thing--to release Linda from her nightmare.
Today, Linda is doing far better, authorities said. The Sun-Times is not revealing her full name or whereabouts to protect her privacy.
She is free but still feels the old fears.





After reading his description it's possible, but I am always leery about situations like these (doesn't matter her nationality). I know it does happen (it happened to me) but most of the time it's a rare thing. That's why when I hear a guy say that a dancer likes him I am curious why she likes him, because I've been there myself.





This is a very real problem and nightmare for many poor foreign women.
There are Mexican "sex-slaves" that have been brought to Houston with promises of love and marriage.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5987854.html
Woman from Thailand have also been brought to Houston and forced to become "sex-slaves" in message parlors to pay off their smuggling debt.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/2862229/detail.html








I don't think that dating a dancer is a novelty or an ego trip for him. I don't see why it would be. He might have a slight ego trip for picking up an attractive woman, but I doubt that he has an ego trip for picking up a dancer. I mean, what's so great about that, she's just another woman just like any other woman.




To: lost
Congrats for coming on and asking the question. I'll do my best to answer honestly and truthfully based on my personal experience.
Yes, the scenario that u have described is entirely possibly. What u have described is early similar to what happened to me many years ago with a 20 something entertainer when I was an undergrad with no job and zero money. The girl i met was an american that was frustrated with a job as a school teacher making 0 bucks. This is plausible. It is completely believable. It does happen. The chances r very small, but it does happen (1-5%). My suggestions:
Pay a lot of attention to her friends. Has she invited u to hang out with her and them.
How does she introduce u to them?
Find out more about her background.
Google is your friend, use it.
Ultimately, you r the only person that can answer this question
Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?
Once more, unto the breach, dear friends.
If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
-- Its always amazed me how no one learns the lines from Shakespeare. I guess it is true that people don't learn history's lessons until something become's their history.





I think the novelty and ego trip is this - A dancer is a highly prized "sex godess" in the SC in that every customer badly wants to take her OTC and fuck her (pardon the bluntness). Not only is she hot, but she is super seductive and erotic. She knows, this so she leads them on to sell dances, but won't go out with or fuck any of them (unless she also escorts - in which case she does it for the money, not because of any attraction for them). She gets hit on and asked out by hundreds of PL a week and rejects them all. Therefore, the dude that does manage to take her OTC and fuck her (for free) does rightfully claim a merit badge,... unless he's being used in some way,... in which case, he gets a dunce cap, instead.
When she's not in the SC, though -- I agree, she is a woman "just like any other woman" and is more receptive to romance... Therefore, picking her up at the mall or Starbucks wouldn't merit the same accolade. (Though, if she is super hot, you score many points on that basis alone.)
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The fact that she is naked and hustling me is a turn on, but it doesn't make her more of a prize than if I picked her up clothed IRL.
So she's harder to get a number from while she's working. That's just to do with her situation in the club. Like any other girl, she either wants me or she doesn't. There's no special merit in picking her up - I'd just be thinking the same thing as if I met a hot girl IRL, i.e. how hot she is.She gets hit on and asked out by hundreds of PL a week and rejects them all. Therefore, the dude that does manage to take her OTC and fuck her (for free) does rightfully claim a merit badge.
I just see strippers as regular girls doing a job. If I took one home or dated one, she would then be no different to other girls I date.





^^ Its like male rock stars - they're just regular guys and can be ugly as shit, but the status and "bad boy" act attracts women and makes the rocker a "prize" for women.
With women its the status plus the visual effects (and the sensual touch of a lap dance). Take a decently attractive woman and dress her frumpy and she only gets a little attention. Now, change her clothes - put a skin-tight stripper mini dress on her, 7-inch stripper heels, makeup and nice perfume,... watch her dancing/gyrating erotically to a cool rock or club track - she becomes the fantasy girl for many many many men. There is also the male fantasy that she is a wild woman with unsatiable sexual appetite and that everynight her BF's bedroom become the ultimate strip club with free lap dances and wild extras all night long.
All this is just a male fantasy - this forum reveals that the truth is vastly different.
OP, you said yourself, you enjoy her company, she's cute, you guys have fun, I don't get it...... why are you trying to overanalyze and sabotage a potential relationship? Just go with the flow and quit dreaming up possible negative scenarios. I met my ex BF in the strip club and was with him for 2 1/2 years!
P.S. the ignorance of some people is baffling..... I mean really? I know plenty of totally normal Russian chicks that dance out here.




That's right, it's just a fantasy, so where's the ego trip for me? Impressing people who believe the fantasy? Many strippers (most in my experience), even many hot ones, aren't really very glamorous or exciting in their performances. The reality usually falls short of the ideal. Often it's really just the nudity and the club environment which attracts most customers.
Regarding rock stars, intelligent people can see through celebrity images also.







So just go out with her and don't over analyze things. It's not rocket science. She just happens to work at a club but she's a real person. See how it works out.



Sorry J.D. I just noticed you posted a very similar answer before I did. It just sounds like analysis paralysis. It reminds me of this consultant I worked with who spent a week and a half picking out rental furniture for a one year gig. He had to measure everything, draw a layout in the store, and analyse even based on where the sunrise was versus his window. I mean all this agonizing and planning when he can just take her out and see where it goes.





Not a nice to say in a stripper forum... Me, I think dancers are awesome, glamorous and exciting (at least the ones I meet at my favorite clubs - and some on this forum).
If you're on this forum, you must consider the dancers here to be, at the very least,... interesting. I've been on other female forums, and, even though some of the women here are too quick to flame us blues, I still enjoy reading the opinions on this forum more. (And not because of the nudity or the club environment.)




Only some? Okay, so besides strippers at your favorite clubs? The main difference between women at this forum and women at other forums is that they do get naked in a club environment.
The strippers at this forum apparently recognise that many strippers do fall short of the ideal. I didn't say the strippers at this forum are not glamorous. The strippers here are a small minority of all strippers and them being here is a sign that they are keener than most, so if I talk about strippers in general I am not necessarily describing the strippers at this forum. I did say I was only talking of my own experience, which is limitted to the town I live in. For all I know, glamorous strippers are the majority everywhere else. I may just be unlucky.If you're on this forum, you must consider the dancers here to be, at the very least,... interesting. I've been on other female forums, and, even though some of the women here are too quick to flame us blues, I still enjoy reading the opinions on this forum more. (And not because of the nudity or the club environment.)
I think it is unrealistic to expect strippers to live up to the ideal. The ideal is the male fantasy of how a stripper should be. That is hard for any woman to live up to, especially considering some of the non-ideal customers at their clubs. The money isn't always great either. You couldn't even say it is primarily a stripper's job to be glamorous. Strippers do whatever makes them money, and for some customers all that essentially requires is taking their clothes off.
In one sense all SCs are glamorous: It is simply the nature of the business to contrive to be glamorous. How successful they are is another thing. I take SCs for what they are and there are other things beside the glamour (and the nudity) which I enjoy about them. I see more glamour and nudity outside of SCs.
Going back to the point we were originally debating, though, I wouldn't feel any special prestige from picking up a stripper, because they are just like other girls. They are no more or less glamorous or hot than other girls. When I'm out with her away from the club, she is not even a stripper. Strippers are harder to pick up in their place of work than some other girls, but that does not make them any better prize than other girls - it just means I have to be luckier or more attractive to do it.
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