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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    but you are still at risk to getting squished like a bug. but then again, maybe some customers are into the thrill of not knowing whether or not they will come out of a lapdance alive .
    OMG, I just laughed at this so hard I just about died! Okay, we need to lay off... they were nice girls. Most of them just didn't know how to make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalman View Post
    For some reason the pink siders seem to frown on girls lowering there dance prices below the accepted club price. Don't know why since it seems an independent contractor should be able to charge whatever the fuck they want and offer whatever service they would like and not give a fuck what the customers or other independently contracted entertainers might think of them.

    I'm sure I'm missing something here

    At one of my fave topless joints, the dancers set their own prices, and most charge $20. If any of the long timers find out a new girl is charging $15 or $10 a dance, they'll railroad her outta town. It's not because of extras there (all dances are mild and out in the open). Unlike Athena's club where she is a standout looker, at this club most dancers are average at best. So with looks being equal & no extras allowed, a dancer underselling would put the $20 dancers out of business. And that is a HUGE threat to the dancers, especially in this economy.

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    Lots of stuff to slog through. Here are my observations....

    Independent contractors or not, there are clubs that encourage upselling or underselling, clubs that don't but tolerate it, clubs that enforce a single price, and clubs whose economics or culture merely enforce it.

    I don't mind a mild bit of upselling, but a few dancers have proposed something double the norm. Didn't buy. In a club where upselling is unusual but I get surprised after-the-fact, I've usually paid, but no tip, and the dancer will never see me again. Tactics vary. But it's no different than any other business transaction. Honest negotiation is the best policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleigh HellKat View Post
    Ew. I would never lower my price below club standards and I would never 'use my hand' during a dance. Did she at least wash her hands since the last time she 'used' them?
    My post was largely in jest, a long winded, barely creative, obscure way to illustrate the point that there are rules in a strip club (and society in general) that dancers and patrons are supposed to follow. Lest they be labled Soul less ROB's, Whore's, Freeloaders, or Cheap ass handsy fucktards that desrved to be ripped off. (Sidenote: The "They deserved it" or, more commonly, "They were asking for it" defense has been used in many criminal or morally reprehensible activities and never seems to be accepted)

    If dancers overcharge (or upsell .snicker.) the result is that that club has a reputation for ROB's, fewer customers will go there, dancers will make less money.
    Probably doesn't matter to a travelling dancer who won't be there in a months time, but might matter to the regular house girls (regardless of how much they weigh).

    If dancers do extras the result will be a reputation for such at the club that will discourage the superextraoverthetoponeinamillionHOT dancers like Athena from going to that club. Big spending sophisticates like myself will not go there because we likes them skinny blondes with the big fake bewbs. Only the cheap guys with nylon basketball shorts looking for uncovered oral sex (no spitting please) are likely to frequent these places.

    Maybe there is a happy medium somewhere. A club where the girls aren't proud of there ability to steal from customers and the guys can use their rohypnol for what God intended ... High school parties. Sigh ... a boy can dream.

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    Damn I thought extras dancers made more? $30 WTF What happened to the $150 handjobs? WOWZERS. I agree with Harleigh on this one. Oh and if she'll do it to you, She's done it with all. Remember that. Fucking gross. Im still stuck on the $30. Why aren't these girls getting fired? Someone should be reporting them. It hurts busines for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malayataylor View Post
    Oh and if she'll do it to you, She's done it with all. Remember that. Fucking gross. Im still stuck on the $30.
    Wow, quite a statement

    Whether it's $30 or $300, it's the same thing.

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    Ok so in every post that I included on this thread I brought up a fact that none of the custies even bothered to address. How am I being a ripof bitch if I am offering the 10$ option as well as the 20$ option and explaining the options before the dance. Seriously, te customers can have a 10$ dance if they want but i won't be grinding and I will be very strict about them keeping their hands to themselves. So does this being my standard for a 10$ dance make me a ROB? Seriously, what the hell do you people expect for 10$. Maybe the girl next to me is grinding and getting groped for 10$ but I think she is giving too much away for that price... Which is her problem/business not mine. If I only did 10$ dances with the very light strict contact would that make me an ROB? Customers inevitably want more... And I am willing to give a higher contact dance that is within my boundaries... But I'm going to charge more for it. If 20$ is too much then accept a light contact dance. I'll still look pretty doing it but the textile aspect of it won't be as exciting.

    So again, what is the problem here? And I already mentioned like 3x the other thing which every customer has ignored: if I did the 20$ dances where the club wanted me to then the visor would have a 20$ wrist band on top of the dances. And no additional privacy, as confirmed by Kylea. So you want a contact dance and I give you one for 20$ in the 10$ booths, as opposed to making you buy a 20$ wristbands and then a 20$ dance which totals to 40$. So seriously, this has been ignored by every customer on here calling me a ripoff bitch--- I would like you to explain how the hell this is ripping you off or beig underhanded to anyone aside from te club itself. And the day I am loyal to a club isthe day they pay me money to be there. Until then i try to keep as much of my money and your money spent on me from going to them.

    I'm tired of these very valid points being ignored. . If you are going to insist that I am ripping people off, at least have the courtesy to actually read my post and answer the relevant parts other than me charging 20$ a dance.


    And pardon any typos. This lengthy rant/inquiry is typed out from my iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalman View Post

    For some reason the pink siders seem to frown on girls lowering there dance prices below the accepted club price. Don't know why since it seems an independent contractor should be able to charge whatever the fuck they want and offer whatever service they would like and not give a fuck what the customers or other independently contracted entertainers might think of them.

    I'm sure I'm missing something here

    Wait a minute, you guys bitch about girls over charging but you certainly dont complain about undercharging do you? The club sets a minimum for dance prices not a maximum!! So if you charge below the minimum, you are violating the rules of the club.

    As far as being able to offer any "service", well only if its legal. I dont give a damn what customers or other dancers think of me, but i do care about getting arrested or putting myself at risk for an STD sweetheart(and so should the customers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    blah, blah, blah
    If a stripper can get more and all parties agree, then I do not see the harm. Capitalism at its finest. Its like the girl I talked with about the price of a lap dance the last time I went out. She was trying to push $50 lap dances on me. I responded with "WTF, I'd suggest you go find a rube that will pay that." Friendly discussions occurred where I explained capitalism and the fact that the marketplace did not accept this. I stated that Atlanta, Vegas, and many other cities charge less and that I can get lap dances in blocks of time (20, 30, 40 and 60 minutes). She countered that I was free to do as a I pleased, but that we were not in one of those cities and that the local clubs charged the same, which I know that they don't. My response was that I could save my money and spend more of it when I was in one of these cities. We had some more negotiation. When she said "How about $30 / dance?" I said "OK." I had to go to the bathroom. The girl disappeared and I never saw her on the floor before I left an hour later. I was so disappointed, here was a girl that could negotiate without getting upset. its probably all for the best, I have confidence that she would have called the muscle and tried to jerk me around for the $50 that she will claim I agreed to.

    Its a real shame that most strippers don't get that the money they make is a product of the dance price times the number of dances. As the dance price goes up, the number of dances that they can get tends to go down. To get $50 / lapdance out of me, you will have to spend much more time. Wannta dance won't get it.

    If a stripper does not communicate the price difference, which is what happens in 99.99999999999999% of the time, its stealing plain and simple.
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    BTW, I wasn't saying anything negative by putting in "blah, blah, blah..." I just didn't want to repeat everything.
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    At the club I visit the dancers don't have to split any of their dance money with the club. They just tip the DJ and waitress at the end of the night. The club makes most of their money on cover charges and drink sales.
    The dancers are expected to push the customers to buy lots of drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post

    Its a real shame that most strippers don't get that the money they make is a product of the dance price times the number of dances. As the dance price goes up, the number of dances that they can get tends to go down. To get $50 / lapdance out of me, you will have to spend much more time. Wannta dance won't get it.

    yep i know this... talking about 10 v. 20$ dances at this club i can usually sell about 75% as many 20$ dances as i can 10$ dances which still works out being more profitable.

    it is dependent on location though... In NOLA i did wanna dance (well i use a more creative sales pitch. nothing wrong with quick sales but the phrase wanna dance sounds super lame) with dances that were minimum 30$, but usually ended up being 40$ because of the lap dance vending machine timers. but im also very good at the quick sale...

    agreed that overcharging after the fact is dishonest. ive really only done this to customers who were so rude/grabby to me that i had to stop the dance and then demand an asshole tax. (i.e. 'ok thats enough. you tried to grab my pussy thats an additional $__') but whether charging an asshole tax or not is acceptable i feel falls under an entirely different category as it is more incidental as opposed to 'upselling' which is used consistently over the night to pull in more money.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    So again, what is the problem here?
    I don't think anyone has a problem with a dancer setting her own rates, providing it's not a surprise after the fact. If you can increase your earnings on a per-customer averaging system by charging more and making better use of time spent in a lap, more power to you.

    That said, if a dancer has a per-dance pricing scheme that's markedly different than her peers--either higher OR lower--I'm immediately skeptical and suspicious of her motives, her performance and her history. If her price is much lower, I'm concerned about how contagious she is (even in the most casual sense). If her price is much higher, I'm concerned about how much I'm going to have to monitor her performance to see that I'm getting something other than a standard dance sold as something else.

    It's just a bad sign to me, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    [deleted a bunch of stuff the reader can refer back the OP if they desire} ...although maybe the blues disagree with what custies should be allowed to do during a 10$ dance .
    Its less the law of supply and demand in these cases, as there are usually enough clubs within driving distance and enough dancers in each club to provide for adequate market saturation to level out price points [there are always exceptions, of course].

    What it boils down to is an educated consumer vs. an uneducated one, and therein lay the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalman View Post
    For some reason the pink siders seem to frown on girls lowering there dance prices below the accepted club price. Don't know why since it seems an independent contractor should be able to charge whatever the fuck they want and offer whatever service they would like and not give a fuck what the customers or other independently contracted entertainers might think of them.

    I'm sure I'm missing something here
    I understand the other side of the coin. Athena is using the tried and true "value added" approach to making sales. What she is missing though is that most of the time this only helps beat out the competition when charging competitive rates.

    I can understand why dancers don't want others in their clubs starting bidding wars. I don't think I'd want the consultants working in my field to start a price war under cutting my prices, even if I believe I could still sell my services based solely on the superiority of my work when compared to others in my area of expertise.

    There are always way too many customers willing to settle for "good enough but cheaper" over "superior but more expensive" if they have a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I understand the other side of the coin. Athena is using the tried and true "value added" approach to making sales. What she is missing though is that most of the time this only helps beat out the competition when charging competitive rates.

    I can understand why dancers don't want others in their clubs starting bidding wars. I don't think I'd want the consultants working in my field to start a price war under cutting my prices, even if I believe I could still sell my services based solely on the superiority of my work when compared to others in my area of expertise.

    There are always way too many customers willing to settle for "good enough but cheaper" over "superior but more expensive" if they have a choice.
    normally i completely agree, and selling more expensive options in comparison to other girls isnt really benificial to me. Like when i worked at babydolls dallas, there were a bazillion other blondes almost as hot/as hot/hotter than me and most were more comfortable with the contact level there than i was. if i said i would charge 30$ to let them touch me they would laugh and get the next hot blonde who allowed a two way contact dance and possibly even get some extras to boot.

    but in this market it does make sense. the area has a serious shortage of blondes. and the club is busy, the sales are easy. i can be selling primarily the more expensive option and still be busy all night. either way, i will be busy all night but i might as well be having my dances add up quicker. the first night i didnt overcharge and was frustrated when i had been dancing literally almost every song and saw how slowly the dances were adding up. hence why i started the upselling.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I went to my local SC last night and the dancer who tried overcharging me came by my table, sat down and proceeded to apologize for her actions. She offered to give me 6 dances for the price of 4 in VIP. I accepted her offer and ended up having a very good time. After our dances I went out on to the main floor and sat at my favorite table and my waitress came by to ask me how things went in VIP, I told her very good. She then told me that the manager had a very long talk with my dancer about the club rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmarv View Post
    She then told me that the manager had a very long talk with my dancer about the club rules.
    Apparently the dancer you picked wasn't the brightest crayon in the box... or at least not bright enough to know the rules & laws before she tried charging more. That's her own fault, but not the issue at all clubs.
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    Its a real shame that most strippers don't get that the money they make is a product of the dance price times the number of dances. As the dance price goes up, the number of dances that they can get tends to go down. To get $50 / lapdance out of me, you will have to spend much more time. Wannta dance won't get it.
    Ok Ive worked at a club that charged $20 for a lapdance, and another club where we were only allowed to do $10 table dances. As far as the number of dances i got decreasing, thats not neccessarily true. Because it was a real lapdance instead of a table dance, they were easier to sell and men would keep buying more. Also big spenders dont give a fuck how much a CR or lapdance costs, if they want you they will pay it and tip big.

    I think if you are the shit, you can charge more. Doesnt matter if a few customers dont wanna spend the money bc someone else will. I say if its working for a girl to overcharge, go for it. And a customer who really wants to make me work for that dollar, will never be my customer anyway so who cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    If you are going to insist that I am ripping people off, at least have the courtesy to actually read my post...
    I'm not sure whether the attention span is sufficient.

    Seriously, I just re-read most of the posts. I think you are being a bit defensive. With a few exceptions, most replies don't accuse you, Athena, of being a ripoff. They are speaking more generally about their own experiences. As for myself, I have no problem with an honest, up-front negotiation about services. (And let's be honest, this isn't a fantasy. It's a service.) Whether I accept the proposal depends on the negotiation and what I want and what I'm willing to pay. Nonetheless, for the most part there is little negotiation in the clubs I've frequented (about 20).

    Your aggressive working of the room earned you a bonus at the club you described. Elsewhere you might barely stand out except for other assets. As has often been related here, it takes all kinds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    I think if you are the shit, you can charge more. Doesnt matter if a few customers dont wanna spend the money bc someone else will. I say if its working for a girl to overcharge, go for it. And a customer who really wants to make me work for that dollar, will never be my customer anyway so who cares.
    While I am not placing a judgement value on it either way you do know that formula you state above can be flipped very easily in high end clubs where BIG money talks very loudly and there are at least three dancers, all of whom are also "the shit", willing to do the "premium experience" thing in the VIP for every dancer who won't.

    Happens in NYC, LA, Vegas, south Florida, Montreal and Providence all the time. Probably Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, etc, etc, as well. I just don't have personal knowledge of the high end clubs in those cities to say for sure.

    Just is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleigh HellKat View Post
    Price check on handjobs!

    Most clubs have rules against lowering dance prices anyway, and every state looks down on prostitution.
    Its a slippery sloop if you want to get into it. If you insist on clamping down on one dancers extras too rigidly you run the risk of exposure to your own act getting shut down by the application of someone else's standards, who defines "extras" more rigidly than you do.

    Because push come to shove anything more than an air dance where no nipples or genitalia are being exposed is a form of prostitution in many, if not most, jurisdictions if money is changing hands.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalman View Post
    If dancers do extras the result will be a reputation for such at the club that will discourage the superextraoverthetoponeinamillionHOT dancers like Athena from going to that club. Big spending sophisticates like myself will not go there because we likes them skinny blondes with the big fake bewbs. Only the cheap guys with nylon basketball shorts looking for uncovered oral sex (no spitting please) are likely to frequent these places.
    I guess all those millionaire captains of industry, entertainment and professional sports types, who court big city detective types to hang with* because we tell great stories, not to mention we are truly nice to have around if road blocks of various types need moving, I've seen getting bare back blow jobs in the VIP's of PEC and Hustler were just anomalies.


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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Default Re: Dancer's Overcharging

    Any customer who pays extra to the club for extra "privacy" or a more personal/better experience etc. should EXPECT to be charged more by the dancer. If you didn't think you were getting a better dance experience with leniency on the rules then why pay for your CR/VIP/ Dance Booth in the first place? You obviously know what you're getting is better than what you get on the main floor, so why do you complain about it being more expensive?

    On a purely financial note, when we take time off the floor to be with you in VIP/CR/Dance Booth it costs us extra also. In my club before I start with a VIP/CR/Dance Booth Customer, I go to the DJ, tip him $20 to keep me off stage rotation until I'm ready and at least $20 to the VIP manager also. This makes a better time for YOU the customer for several reasons and is 40 out of MY pocket. Which at 30 a dance takes at least 4 dances for me to break even what I would have made on the floor with a lot more work and attention.

    Customers seem to forget that clubs charge us for everything. If you are complaining about dancer prices, maybe you should stay out of areas reserved for people with a greater entertainment budget. :o)

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    Default Re: Dancer's Overcharging

    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferH View Post
    Any customer who pays extra to the club for extra "privacy" or a more personal/better experience etc. should EXPECT to be charged more by the dancer. If you didn't think you were getting a better dance experience with leniency on the rules then why pay for your CR/VIP/ Dance Booth in the first place? You obviously know what you're getting is better than what you get on the main floor, so why do you complain about it being more expensive?
    I don't know who you are addressing, but in general I don't see any guy in here complaining about dancers getting extra for going above and beyond the call of duty. The only comments made were about charging more than the other dancers in a club for a regular dance without being upfront about it.

    On a purely financial note, when we take time off the floor to be with you in VIP/CR/Dance Booth it costs us extra also. In my club before I start with a VIP/CR/Dance Booth Customer, I go to the DJ, tip him $20 to keep me off stage rotation until I'm ready and at least $20 to the VIP manager also. This makes a better time for YOU the customer for several reasons and is 40 out of MY pocket. Which at 30 a dance takes at least 4 dances for me to break even what I would have made on the floor with a lot more work and attention.

    Customers seem to forget that clubs charge us for everything. If you are complaining about dancer prices, maybe you should stay out of areas reserved for people with a greater entertainment budget. :o)
    The internal workings of a strip-clubs monetary comings and goings may not be known to the average customer, and I am not sure it is fair for a dancer to presume it ought to be known.

    When Macy's sells something it doesn't put on its price tag what it cost it to purchase it from the manufacture, or what that manufacture paid for the individual components that went into making what is being sold on its shelves. They just stick a price tag on it and say, "If you want this then this is what you pay to get it."
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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