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    I once had a dancer try to charge me for 4 nude dances when she did 3 topless ones. When I refused to pay what she demanded, she acted all perturbed. I told her "take what you're entitled to or get a manager over here". She took the money. Why anyone would allow himself to get ripped off is beyond me. Why any guy would agree beforehand to pay more than the club rate for a dance also escapes me. I often paid more for a dance when I used to do them because I would tip as often as not. Any girl demanding more than the going price would be told to take her chances with someone else. That being said, any girl who can successfully charge more and max out what she makes shouldn't change what she does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    Apparently the dancer you picked wasn't the brightest crayon in the box... or at least not bright enough to know the rules & laws before she tried charging more. That's her own fault, but not the issue at all clubs.
    Well she was a newbie dancer, I just don't know where she got the idea to try and upcharge for dances in VIP. But I don't hold anything against her, hopefully she will live and learn. Your right though, that issue has never came up with any dancer at other clubs I've visited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Why any guy would agree beforehand to pay more than the club rate for a dance also escapes me.
    Like everything else in this crazy stripper world, there is no standard and lots of crap. One club I once frequented has a sign posted over the LD area that reads "Private Dances $30." It's been there for years. Perhaps decades. I can't get a LD for less than $40 (I accepted), and I've had gals offer as high as $80 and more (I refused).

    On the other hand, I've had other club owners query me whether a dancer undercharged or overcharged me. I've never shared. It's between me and the dancer.

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    On the other hand, I've had other club owners query me whether a dancer undercharged or overcharged me. I've never shared. It's between me and the dancer.
    ^^^^ Exactly! +2 & lots of hugs.

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    Hi there everyone. Long time listener, first in quite a while poster.

    For inquiring minds who want to know, I'm still doing the hobby, but some of the practices described in threads like these are one reason my involvement in it has declined in the last couple years, and whatever involvement I have left is primarily with clubs and dancers I am in some degree familiar with, so I know I'm not going to run into someone pulling these type of unscrupulous practices. By the looks on the faces of the ladies I've met, I'm sure they're happy to see me for the same reason.

    I can't necessarily claim things in clubs have gotten worse, but with each bad experience, I sure as shit have gotten less tolerant of it, and more allergic to it. I've figured considering the cost of a SC visit, its not something I want to fork over that kind of cash on only to walk out of the place with my stomach in knots because I felt I wasn't treated right. So I figured its just better to save the cash, not to mention the gas money (the nearest club to my home is about an hour), and stay home.

    Anyways, any time I've been at an unfamiliar joint, or even one I haven't been to in a very long time, I'll be sure to ask a girl or two about pricing before I commit to anyone and ask any girl I do commit to again. That way you know when you're dealing with someone charging more than the norm. Caveat emptor.
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    ^^^ Good to hear from you.

    I, too, like to deal with dancers with whom I'm familiar. But the turnover is intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    Hi there everyone. Long time listener, first in quite a while poster.
    Hey DC. It has been awhile. I was gone as well for six months or so but just popped back in to see who was doing what to whom.

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    Interesting ... for me it's been the opposite as of late. Lots of offers to do 2-1's all the time and dancers at the end of a set that haven't kept track of the number of dances that just tell me to pay them what I want. Haven't had anyone try to overcharge me in years.

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    I had one dancer recently so blatantly deceive me about the higher level of VIP dances that she received no tip but just the required payment. I am not mad because she teased with the hint of high mileage as some other dancers might easily surmise. The fact is that she told me that the dances were completely nude at the elite tier of VIP dances and that they were in complete privacy. Both were wrong.

    After one dancer 'inflated' the number songs danced (I paid up what she asked but without the usual generous tip. I wasn't exactly sure of the count but she jumped it up so much and with so little confidence, that I saw through her act.), I decided to keep better track. So a week later when a dancer says, "Umm, I think that it was like 7 or 8," I was ready, "Actually it was five." And she said, "Oh, yeah, you're right."

    I guess that the minority who try this (most don't) are only thinking about the quick dollar. They are ruining their long term financial possibility with me. I am sure they regret it after I spend $400 on the next dancer during two long sessions. [Don't tell me that the overcharger doesn't know whom I go back with and for roughly how long. In the mid to small clubs, my experience is that dancers always know with whom you have danced and roughly for how long. That is why so many start coming up to my table after seeing other girls benefit from a number of VIPs] And she might think, "Oops, if only I would have known that he might be a repeat customer."

    And it works for me equally the other way. If a dancer tells me $20 each but offers 3 dances for $50, she will always recoup way more tip money for her consideration (more that make up for the $10 discount). So instead of a dance or two with an okay tip, she ends up with at least three dances and a very generous tip and more likely half a dozen dances and $150. The same thing happens if she throws in an extra dance after having many dances together. My tip is increased to more than make up for the extra dance. Only problem: I must keep this from spreading to all the dancers or they will all start offering better rates for multiple dances and free dances after many, knowing how I will reward their generosity.

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    I had a girl ask me how much I wanted to tip when I handed her a $100 for 2 $20 dances, she suggested $10 which she would have gotten if she didn't imply I needed to tip, she got zero and no more dances later.

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    ^^^ I usually ask "Do you need change?" - its a good way of beating around the bush to ask if he's going to be generous. Although, with a $100, I would probably just give the regular change back & hope he tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    ^^^ I usually ask "Do you need change?" - its a good way of beating around the bush to ask if he's going to be generous. Although, with a $100, I would probably just give the regular change back & hope he tips.
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    I say charge whatever you're going to charge so long as you tell them up front and don't pull a price out of your ass after all is said and done. Also don't dance 5 songs and say it was 8 that is just so sleezy.
    He:"But you said the dances were $20 per"
    She:"Yeah but I am so ON it tonight and those dances were extra hot so it's $30"
    Me:" Wooow, that is sooo Jerry Springer*, and I mean that in the worst way possible"

    *Jerry Springer = ass backwards and hella trashy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arialandre View Post
    I say charge whatever you're going to charge so long as you tell them up front and don't pull a price out of your ass after all is said and done. Also don't dance 5 songs and say it was 8 that is just so sleezy.
    He:"But you said the dances were $20 per"
    She:"Yeah but I am so ON it tonight and those dances were extra hot so it's $30"
    Me:" Wooow, that is sooo Jerry Springer*, and I mean that in the worst way possible"

    *Jerry Springer = ass backwards and hella trashy
    Aria, if u keep talking like this, I might have to make it to BC for a bunch of dances and VIP time. it's refreshing to hear someone, anyone say "Tell the truth" and "Long live Capitalism." Do you dance for ugly fat white guys? Can you grind on me without being completely disgusted and throwing up on me?
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    Do you dance for ugly fat white guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    it's refreshing to hear someone, anyone say "Tell the truth" and "Long live Capitalism."
    Please tell me you do realize that a number of us have been saying exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    Please tell me you do realize that a number of us have been saying exactly that.
    As stated in a previous post on this thread, I have no problem in a girl setting their own price which can be more or less as long as it is disclosed upfront. its that truth in advertising thing that is lacking in a club.

    I also said in that same post that I had no problem with capitalism. One of the fundamental tenants is that you charge for a product on a service what the market will bear. You can then enter into negotiations. When a girl does that, she just about has me in her control. Not over her looks, but the fact that I found someone that knows/loves capitalism as much as I do.

    I find that house dancers tend to not understand any of this. If a club is full, guess what, she will take the chance that she can make money elsewhere. When the club isn't full, well, then I have a shot.
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    ^^^ Okay, just checking. By the way, have you read the book "Greed Is Good: the Capitalist Pig Guide to Investing"? It's a bit dated now, but still a great book!
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    ^^^ Okay, just checking. By the way, have you read the book "Greed Is Good: the Capitalist Pig Guide to Investing"? It's a bit dated now, but still a great book!
    No, but Gordon Gekko is my hero.
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    Terry Fox is my hero...but hey, we all march to a different drummer.

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    Wow, this may be the most Bizarro-world thread in the history of SCJ. A bunch of customers essentially stating, "Go ahead, rip me off. Just tell me first." And then excusing this behavior (on both sides) under the guise of "capitalism."

    I've paid $2.00 for a burger and I've paid $20. I've paid just about every sum in between, too. You know when I paid $20? When the menu stated that's what a burger cost there.

    I've paid $5 for laps, $10, $20, $30, $40 and even $50 for laps. If you want a lap dance at EcstacyTheatre in Santa Ana, you pay $50. Whether or not it is overpriced for the value received isn't the question, that's what the club charges for laps, so that's what I pay if I want a lap there, if I don't, I can go down the street to the Sahara Theatre in Anaheim, where laps are less than half that price. That's capitalism, people. Charging above the listed rates because you can isn't capitalism, it's thievery.

    Most states have what is called an "item pricing law" which was put into place because scanners can be inaccurate, sometimes accidentally, sometimes on purpose. The net result is still the same: you paid more for a product than you should have. There is a Bureau of Weights & Measures to make sure gas stations actually give you a gallon for your $3.00, not 9/10th's of one. Every state has an office of Consumer Affairs for people who feel they've been ripped off by dishonest contractors. I'd be willing to wager many of those on this site have used one or more of these services in the past, or wished they did once they found about them after a bad experience with a contractor, auto repair shop, or some other store or restaurant. Even the IRS has an ombudsman to make sure that taxpayers who feel they've been wrongfully overcharged on their taxes have a fair say.

    Yet post after post here basically gives dancers a pass and a patronizing "attagirl" pat on the head to those who expound on the practice of overcharging in a club. The rationalization used is "don't blame me because I'm a good salesperson and I can talk people into paying 50%-to-100% too much," which essentially perverts what actual salesmanship is about. How would you like a salesperson to come to your home or place of business, see BMWs parked out front and think to himself, "Okay, these people are gonna pay more than the people down the street for the same product/service"? It's wrong in every situation, and there is never a justification for doing so. Period.

    You know what part of my job is now? After my company has paid a famous actor many thousands of dollars to talk about our product, after we've paid many hundreds of dollars to run that ad on radio, after we've paid many more thousands to set up a call center to receive those calls and the people who staff it bonuses for setting up appointments, part of my job is to try to KILL THAT LEAD. I get on the phone and ask the homeowner another 15 questions or so, and if he/she answers incorrectly to any of them, I won't send someone to their home (no matter how much they ask me to), because we cannot save them money. Now, I have no doubt we could still sell them our product, especially with the quality salesforce we have, but it would be wrong to sell someone something just because we can, not because it's the right thing to do.

    Anyway, I'm tired of this subject. You guys wanna let girls rip you off, have at it. Just don't call it capitalism, because it's not, and don't call it salesmanship, because it most certainly is not that, either.

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    The 'menu' at a strip club is whatever the dancer tells you beforehand. And your views on capitalism versus thievery are so fucking stupid that I had to stop lurking, just to let know.

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    I've paid $5 for laps, $10, $20, $30, $40 and even $50 for laps. If you want a lap dance at EcstacyTheatre in Santa Ana, you pay $50. Whether or not it is overpriced for the value received isn't the question, that's what the club charges for laps, so that's what I pay if I want a lap there, if I don't, I can go down the street to the Sahara Theatre in Anaheim, where laps are less than half that price. That's capitalism, people. Charging above the listed rates because you can isn't capitalism, it's thievery.
    While I agree with this Chili there is one problem. In many cases in 2010 clubs don't have a listed price for LD's! My favorite club in Providence had signs for years in their private dance area stating that topless dances were $25 per song. Those signs have been gone for well over a year now. Another club down the street has been known for years as having fluid dance prices and I have been quoted from $25 to $45 for a topless dance in their. The best one can hope for in Providence is to be aware of what the going rate is, the clubs no longer have or enforce set dance prices. All they are interested in is collecting their cut. The same thing has started to happen in some Mass clubs as well. I am in total agreement that price gouging is thievery but proving it has become more and more difficult over the past several years.
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    I also want to throw in that there is such a thing as inflation. Many clubs around the country have been charging $20 for lapdances for the past 10 years... meanwhile the price of everything else keeps going up - including the cost of living for dancers, house fees, etc. In some clubs I've seen the management decide to drop the price of lap dances from $20 to $10. The only clubs that I've seen RAISE their prices are VCGH clubs, when they decided they wanted $5 out of every dance on top of house fees & therefore decided to raise the general listed rates for lap dances from $20 to $25.

    Also, I'd like to point out that beyond just the fact that we are independent contractors & legally can set our own prices, some clubs like the VCGH chain have it in their contracts that dancers need to let the club know in writing if they plan to have different rates than the clubs listed rates. You know why they do this? Most dancers are too lazy to do what they are supposed to do... so if they catch those dancers changing their rates without notifying the club in writing they have an easy reason to get rid of them. However, the club knows that legally they can not bind us to their set rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer View Post
    Anyway, I'm tired of this subject. You guys wanna let girls rip you off, have at it. Just don't call it capitalism, because it's not, and don't call it salesmanship, because it most certainly is not that, either.
    A rip off and a girl simply asking for a higher rate are two different things.

    Miscounting dances? Not acceptable, period.

    A girl determining that her dances are worth a certain price and disclosing that price upfront to the customer? The very definition of capitalism. Fully informed, he can choose to accept the price or not. If he thinks it is too much, and she is not willing to negotiate, then he can move on to another provider.

    CP, I enjoy most of your posts, but you seem to feel the need to protect grown adults from themselves. Why only you can answer, but IMHO if a girl offers her services at a certain price and the guy accepts that price, then he clearly felt that the value of the service was worth the price or he would have passed.

    In your previous example, did you pay $20 for a McDonald's cheeseburger? I suspect not. You were paying a higher price for the burger because you were in a place where you felt that it might be worth that higher price.

    Also, not to try to pick at you, but I can't help noticing a very defensive and aggressive attitude toward dancers that employ certain tactics to extract maximum $$$ from a guy. I understand the instinctual dislike of these games, but these are grown men. I don't get scammed in SCs, and I suspect it doesn't happen to you often, but IMO it is not the responsibility of a dancer to prevent a guy from spending max $$$ on her. If the dumb fuck goes broke in the process then it is on him - he should have kept his head on his shoulders.

    Price controls are the antithesis of capitalism. If the guy pays for her services then he obviously felt, at the time, that they were worth it. If he wakes up the next morning and wishes that he hadn't done so, then nobody is to blame but him.

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