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    Question Explain this to me...

    So I auditioned at a new club and made it! It's another dive, but I'm excited just to switch things up a bit.

    Dances cost $20 n' all that jazz. Normal normal normal.

    But explain this to me...

    The 'Champagne room' costs the customer $100/30 minutes, and I only get $70 of that.

    ????????

    So the champagne room costs less than what it costs to do regular dances? Who the fuck would try to sell these rooms? That's like a 50% discount from what it'd cost them to buy that time in separate dances. I hope to god my customers don't find out about those...

    Have I missed something here??? Have you encountered anything like this before?

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    Maybe a minimum of $100 ? For the extra privacy/more lush experience , I'd aim to sell these around $150-$200 ( possibly higher if they are really nice or it' really busy in the club? .... ) .

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    Default Re: Explain this to me...

    The champagne room looks exactly like the private dance rooms. The customer gets a free drink with it.

    I thought the whole point of champagne rooms was 1) The girl makes more money for her time (hence why she has motivation to sell a CR) and 2) the guy gets some perk that he can't get in a private dance room (like elevated contact, more nudity, a bottle of champagne, a prettier room, etc.)

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    Are they any more private ( that's a perk ? ) . The drink is a perk. I like them just because you KNOW you'll make that exact amount in 30 minutes ( at my latest spot it would only take me like 10 more minutes of lapdances to make the same, but in LD's, you don't KNOW you are getting that many ). It's nice to sell the CR and then you both know that you'll have 30 full minutes to enjoy dances. Do you see what I mean ? I could sell 8 dances in a row .... but I don't KNOW unless he hands me that much money which is rare since lap dance sales are more like " lets do another ... another ... ect. " .
    To make the same amount in a CR where I will know exactly what I'll walk with in 30 minutes is worth it to me to sell them.

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    I've seen clubs do this before. They are operating under the impression that at 30 minutes customers deserve a price break... which isn't necessarily the case. I'd ask management about upselling the rooms. If they won't let you upsell the rooms then I'd suggest not offering the champagne rooms to customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carmen_b View Post
    Are they any more private ( that's a perk ? ) . The drink is a perk. I like them just because you KNOW you'll make that exact amount in 30 minutes ( at my latest spot it would only take me like 10 more minutes of lapdances to make the same, but in LD's, you don't KNOW you are getting that many ). It's nice to sell the CR and then you both know that you'll have 30 full minutes to enjoy dances. Do you see what I mean ? I could sell 8 dances in a row .... but I don't KNOW unless he hands me that much money which is rare since lap dance sales are more like " lets do another ... another ... ect. " .

    To make the same amount in a CR where I will know exactly what I'll walk with in 30 minutes is worth it to me to sell them.

    That's actually a really good point. It's kind of a gamble, but I like that way of looking at it. I was just getting really down about it, b/c if one of my usual regulars came into this club (he usually spends about $200 at my original club), I'd have to spend twice the amount of time with him for that money, and I wouldn't even get the full cut of it.

    But you're right--maybe this is an advantage with the average joe customer.

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    And .... I use phrases like " it's more intimate and private back there " even though this is at a one way contact club and the guy can't touch you at all anywhere including in the CR's. Another phrase is " if you are interested in an option to have a private room with just us it costs xyz and it's really fun back there " .

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    ^ Oddly enough, there are three couches in the CR, whereas the LD areas get their own rooms. Sooo bizarre. I totally get what you're saying though!

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    It's seem like at $130-$150 they would be really easy to sell. Then you would at least get $100-$120. I was assuming you can up sell at this place ( I've never worked in a place where you couldn't do that ) .

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    Maybe your club doesn't understand champagne rooms or how to set them up?! Seems different.

    It's not just your club. I was just at a place where I sold a 30 minute room for $250 and there were chairs turned UPSIDE down on a table in the room all haphazard and totally not sexy. They turned it into this broom closet looking nightmare. Good thing the custie was very drunk.

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    maybe most of the girls at this club are not good salespeople who understand upselling so the club realized it would get more 30$ cuts if it took the rollback price approach?

    i would laugh at that. either upsell so its 150 or 200 a half hour... or hijack a regular LD booth and make it your own champagne room if the customer is more concerned about you than champagne. who cares if the club isnt getting theirs, its their fault for being stupid enough to price the rooms like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    maybe most of the girls at this club are not good salespeople who understand upselling so the club realized it would get more 30$ cuts if it took the rollback price approach?

    i would laugh at that. either upsell so its 150 or 200 a half hour... or hijack a regular LD booth and make it your own champagne room if the customer is more concerned about you than champagne. who cares if the club isnt getting theirs, its their fault for being stupid enough to price the rooms like this.
    So you're suggesting I just sell blocks of time in the regular LD room? What's the incentive for them to buy it then?

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    Default Re: Explain this to me...

    that is the strangest thing. though, at the last club i worked, they did 3 songs for $25, so at this point, my expectations of sc mgmt can't get any lower when it comes to business skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    that is the strangest thing. though, at the last club i worked, they did 3 songs for $25, so at this point, my expectations of sc mgmt can't get any lower when it comes to business skills.
    I know, right? I mean, some of these things are just common fuckin' sense.

    Anyone who is buying a CR is NOT buying it because it's a better deal, or because that's the 'discounted' lap dance. NO. The whole point of a CR is to make them feel like a baller, where they pay more $$ for less time but get something for it in return (even if it's just a nicer room!).

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    i would expect that to be the price to occupy the room, sit and chat style, then dances cost whatever they do in the other area. maybe i'd throw in one for free. or at the very least, i'd do a mix of dancing and chilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    So you're suggesting I just sell blocks of time in the regular LD room? What's the incentive for them to buy it then?
    well the incentive is exactly the same as buying in the other champagne room, if htey look the same. i forgot to ask though whether your DJ automatically skips you if you are doing dances or not... if he doesnt then you may be forced to buy the other CR to be bought of the list. when i wrote my previous post it was when i was working somewhere where the dj would automatically skip you if you were dancing so it would be very easy to sell your time as you please for as much as you please.

    when you sell the CR that the club provides, does the club tell the customer how much it is or only take its 30$ cut? if its the latter, then fuck it, just sell it for 200 a half hour. otherwise ask your CR host to tell the customer its 200 to take you back or not argue with you... and if your club balks, flat out tell them that they will be missing out on your 30$ fees then because there is no way in hell you are selling a half hour of your time for a cut less than the price of 4 dances. usually if you say it this way in a princess tone of voice, they will back down because when push comes to shove, clubs just want money.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    well the incentive is exactly the same as buying in the other champagne room, if htey look the same. i forgot to ask though whether your DJ automatically skips you if you are doing dances or not... if he doesnt then you may be forced to buy the other CR to be bought of the list. when i wrote my previous post it was when i was working somewhere where the dj would automatically skip you if you were dancing so it would be very easy to sell your time as you please for as much as you please.

    when you sell the CR that the club provides, does the club tell the customer how much it is or only take its 30$ cut? if its the latter, then fuck it, just sell it for 200 a half hour. otherwise ask your CR host to tell the customer its 200 to take you back or not argue with you... and if your club balks, flat out tell them that they will be missing out on your 30$ fees then because there is no way in hell you are selling a half hour of your time for a cut less than the price of 4 dances. usually if you say it this way in a princess tone of voice, they will back down because when push comes to shove, clubs just want money.
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    My club kind of does the same thing in a different way...

    Our LD's are $25/song and we get $18 of that so that's roughly $18 for 2-3 minutes of work? and that comes out to be $90-$135 for 15 minutes of work (that's what the dancer's make out of it)? The custies end up paying $125-$190 for 15 minutes of LD's in the LD room. The club ends up making $30-$55 on 15 minutes of dances in the LD room.

    Our club sells a 15 minute champagne room for $150, which they push the (very stupid) dancers to sell. Of the $150, the dancers get $75 and the house gets $75. On a 15 minute CR, the dancers are making $15-$60 LESS than what they would be making if they sold 15 minutes worth of dances, and the house is making $20-$45 MORE than they would ordinarily be making if a dancer sold 15 minutes of regular dances.

    I know that's a lot of math, but I've had a lot of time to think about it. The CUSTOMER motivation for the CR is a little more privacy and free drinks, but what the heck is the DANCER's motivation?? It sounds like it is that way where you are now as well...?

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    I have to say though, after starting at this club, it really does suck that I make so little money on CR's, but they ARE easier to sell. Much easier. And since the club is slow lately, it doesn't hurt to push CR's even though they're technically a waste of time compared to the dance prices.

    I have adopted carmen_b's helpful perspective--selling a CR is guaranteed money, whereas selling dances back to back is more of a gamble. Even if the guy gets bored with me in the first thirty seconds, he's already given me $70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I have to say though, after starting at this club, it really does suck that I make so little money on CR's, but they ARE easier to sell. Much easier. And since the club is slow lately, it doesn't hurt to push CR's even though they're technically a waste of time compared to the dance prices.

    I have adopted carmen_b's helpful perspective--selling a CR is guaranteed money, whereas selling dances back to back is more of a gamble. Even if the guy gets bored with me in the first thirty seconds, he's already given me $70.
    Yeah, it's pretty shitty, but if they're easy to sell then you could average &70/hr/shift, which isn't too shabby.

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    Could you charge your own rate for champagne room?

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    ^Not really. The price is posted everywhere in the club and announed between every set. It'd be really obvious if I did this. And in a smaller, more rural club, I can't picture that going well.

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    This summer ive been working in a club like this and ive only ever done V.I.Ps when asked, I usally sell blocks of dances if the customers are into me, but I mean in this club Ive made way more than a girl doing V.I.Ps because they had to pay comisson, but after working there a while your work out what is best for you goodluck hun x
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