Given that there is new data to configure into this algorithm, I'd like to confirm a vote for #2.
Feel free to award bonus points if he enjoys TED talks and looks hot in a pair of glasses.....





lean because I am lean, also I just think from an aesthetical point of view, people who are more on the narrower leaner side are more beautiful ha.
Definantly leaner!
I DON'T LIKE EITHER. I think something in between would be perfect. Like Brad Pitt in Fight Club!

so brad pitt would be leaner?
I love men who keep in shape and lift! I prefer a hot chest & shoulders over 6-pac abs though
Can't help it, I'm a born....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]





Depends... Women have short term and long term mating preferences.
As far as short-term mating preferences, women can be just as superficial as men and base their decision entirely on looks. Women at male revues behave worst than men at strip clubs - Watch out when they let go of their inhibitions and allow their libido to run free.
Both of these guys could be D bags and they would still be very successful with women seeking short-term mating partners.
As far as long-term mating preferences, guys obsessed with body building usually have nothing else going for them and not much to offer long-term. (No offense to the OP). Looks are probably closer to the bottom (or at least second half) of the list of things savy women seek in a long term mating partner - intelligence, loyalty, appreciation, respect & admiration, understanding, humor, patience, hygiene & grooming, shared values, education, financial stability, career, investments/assets and some attractiveness. (If he's got everything else on the list, he will be attractive to her, even though he's butt-ugly to every else.)
As far as customer preferences (for dancers) - the middle-aged upper-middle-class balding lonely man with an American Express Centurion credit card who buys hours in the VIP room and tips generously is her "dream guy".
Last edited by jack0177057; 08-26-2010 at 12:23 PM.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde




jack... for "long term" you could also say that the body builder guy has demonstrated through his physique that he is able to be serious and commit. regular workouts, gotta be strict on the diet. gotta get enough sleep and keep a regular schedule (because sleep effects body composition). unlikely to drink very often or party. and you know the food, supplements, and gym membership aren't free. if he can afford that stuff, it shows he's at least got a decent job. plus, training is a lot more intellectual than it seems on the surface. any idiot can lift weights and get big, but you have to know what you're doing to look really good. go look through the fitness magazines sometime...there's a lot of science talk in there.
personally, i like skinny guys. but i'm not gonna pretend they're always great to go out with. a lot of them drink too much, do a lot of drugs, get into fights, can't hold down a job. obviously not all of them. but go to a hardcore or metal show and take a look at who's tearing shit up in the pit. skinny motherfuckers.
if i see a big body builder type, he's not getting a second glance. if he were interested in me, he'd have to work really hard and really prove himself in order to get a chance. but if i see some skinny white boy with a buzz cut and wife beater, there's a good chance i'm gonna look. i'm not gonna do anything, but you'd better believe that some dirty thoughts are gonna run through my head for a bit. especially if he's tearing shit up in the pit. lol.
basically...i really hate it when guys think they know how all women think and think they know what all women want. your idea of an "alpha man" is not my idea of one. i like what i like. just the same way men like different things, women like different things too.
-love everyone but keep them far from your soul-





^ These things could be true about the body builder, but doubtful. Usually, the body builder is only serious and committed to his own body. Hot women with super physiques are his reward for his hard work, but he is seldom as serious and committed to them, as he is to himself.
Who has the time to be a body-builder? Not a doctor, lawyer, scientist, CEO, entrepeneur, etc.... Its either going to be (1) a young HS or college student (17-21 yoa), (2) someone in the fitness industry (e.g., trainer), (3) professional athlete or (4) a blue collar 9 to 5 guy.
I've heard that complaint before - that I overgeneralize what women like. Its true, I know. - But, the alternative would be to list out what each one of the 3.2 billion women on this planet like. You have to be practical and generalize a little.
Each man and woman is unique... But, yet most men would agree that the women that pose for magazines like FHM, Maxim, Playboy, etc. are super hot.
Women also tend to agree on the epitome of male attractiveness being someone like George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Russel Crow, etc.
My only point was that women generally have different fantasies when it comes to short-term mating (i.e., hooking up) and long-term mating (i.e., husband, life-long partner and father to your children). For short-term mating, looks (i.e., sexual attraction) usually matter more than anything. For long-term mating, you usually want a good provider, understanding and supportive partner and great father, and looks are less important.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde
Two, please.




I like something in between, but I usually end up with the skinnier muscle type... I hate it when a man has a smaller ass than I do !!!
I like the second one. The bigger the better, baby!!





The second one. Om nom nom.




i'm sure a lot of guys do think those women are super hot... but does that mean that they want to date them? hell, for the most part, they might not even want to fuck them. they might imagine that they'll just lay there texting friends while he fucks her. because most men make assumptions about women based on how they look. most men see those "super hot" women as little more than something to look at while they jerk off, maybe to get a lapdance from, and maybe as something they can rent as a partner if they ever become rich and famous. otherwise, more men would be pressuring their wives to try harder. and more men would be trying harder themselves.
the other night i was at starbucks and totally blew this nerdy boy's mind. he'd been flirting shamelessly at the awkward alt-girl barista who is sweet but pretty vapid, when a song came on the sound system and she said something about liking and wondering who it was. i overheard her and said that it sounded like michael franti, who i'm only barely familiar with, but i'm good at recognising patterns and such. she was sitting with the customer on the comfy chairs and asked the other barista to look it up. and i was right. all of a sudden, the nerdy boy (who i thought was cute when he came in, but who wouldn't even meet my gaze because he was too busy throwing himself at someone who is basically lesser than me on every level except the one that matters most... how likely he thinks it is that he can get her.) begins to acknowledge my existence. because all of a sudden, i'm not just some stupid preppy blonde with big tits playing on her laptop.
and for the record, this girl and i have chatted a few times, as i'm a regular there. i'm extremely certain from what i know of her and what she has mentioned liking that he would've had a way better chance of fucking me than her. but he likes her. and his initial dismissal of me ended his chances of hitting it. and i don't compete.
most guys have a lot of stupid preconceptions about women that are mostly incredibly wrong. they try to maximize their chances of getting laid or having relationships by predicting (by how she looks) what type of guy she goes for. they assume that people can't change. so if i'm hot now, i was probably hot in high school too (untrue). they assume that hot girls get treated like queens and are bitches, and less attractive girls are grateful for whatever they can get (both untrue).
of your list of men, the only one i'd call attractive is tom cruise when he first entered the business. kind of attractive. you know why? i'm not 50. if you want to get old skool with me, i'd say the hottest celebrity guy of that era would be val kilmer. when he was young and hot.
does anyone else smell popcorn? (i think that's the scene this is from)
but i digress.
i'm shallow. i can take care of myself. frankly, even fat ugly guys are no guarantee to being cared for financially. he can lose his job. he can leave for someone else. you can never be too sure. so i'll just go for hot (and nice). i'm willing to accept stupid if the hotness and niceness are high enough to make up for it.
maybe that stuff was true 50 years ago (when the average person was hotter anyways, since obesity was so rare). now, things are different. i think that's why so many white american men partner with non-white and/or non-american women. because they're more willing to settle for a guy who can take care of them financially. american women care more about looks and personality. which makes sense. because we don't need you.
-love everyone but keep them far from your soul-

between these two, I'd pick the first, but they're both far too muscly for me. I love very slim, very tall, fashion model types.





^ I like your comments. But its interesting that you attack generalizations with your own generalizations.
You might go for the hot, nice and stupid guy, and even financially support him for a while, but I doubt this will make a good marriage partner for you. The hot, nice and stupid guy that earns less money than you do will either (1) develop a fragile ego that requires constant massaging (or worst - constantly putting you down) because he feels emasculated by your superior earning power and intelligence or (2) he will graciously accept that you are the more intelligent partner and the primary breadwinner - but, he will assume the "irresponsible teenager" role, and you will be forced to assume the "responsible mom" role.
My guess is that (long-term) you need someone who is smart and supportive and recognizes your value as a modern, post-feminism, independent woman, and carries his own financial weight. He won't be the hottest guy you ever dated, though. (But, he might seem that way due to the effects of "love".)
Last edited by jack0177057; 08-31-2010 at 09:04 AM.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde




see. this is my point. your idea of what women find hot is not what i find hot. i like skinny, pale, freckly, nice guys who act all shy and sweet, but then you get them alone and it's crazy intense sexin'.
and when i say stupid, i mean by my standards. i'll use my dad to describe my standards, since most women define their ideal man in comparison to the most influential man in her life growing up, and mine is my dad. ok. my dad is a computer engineer. he had a full fellowship to earn his phd in english and classical greek before dropping out because he didn't want to be overeducated and unemployable. he was a journalist and photojournalist at the time i was born, and shortly after that started getting into computers. our living room, his bedroom and office basically had any wall space available covered with bookcases (mostly Literature and philosophy, along with some books on biology and art). he's a musician and own several thousand cds. if he's heard it, he can recognize it and name it within the first couple seconds. i'm not as educated, but my knowledge base is as broad. my friends have mostly been similar. but i don't particularly like guys who are that smart. i prefer guys who are more average and easy-going. for all my dad's academic intelligence, he's made some bad choices. i want a guy who is more practical, less eccentric. i don't really mean genuinely stupid. just stupid compared to me. and hopefully a lot more sane and steady because of it.
besides, a real man knows he doesn't need to be super smart or buff or rich or any of that shit. he just has to have his shit together and be nice and care about the person he's in a relationship with. be a good person, have integrity.
and believe it or not, 30-40k is enough for a guy to support his damn self. nobody has to be a genius to make that. they just have to have a good work ethic and good personality, and a willingness to have a job that maybe isn't super cool and exciting. it's not enough to drive around in a bentley, i realize, but it's enough. hell, if we were living together and sharing expenses, he wouldn't even need that much to pay his half. i don't pay for guys. i made that mistake once when i was younger. if the relationship doesn't work out, i'd rather at least have some money in the bank. same reason i wouldn't quit stripping for a guy. he might not last, so i'm gonna look out for me. and if he lasts, we'll have a nest egg. and that's a lot better than paying for some wanna be rockstar to sit on his ass playing videogames all day and making my car stink like cloves.
btw, my "generalizations" are based on the shit i've heard guys say time and time again, compared to what i've heard girls say. and to be fair, i guess it isn't "most" guys, just most of the ones i've personally heard bitching about why they can't get a girl (any at all or a specific one).
the last thing you said was true. but it just demonstrates that you jumped to conclusions about what it was that i wanted.
i've currently got a huge crush on a guy that i think is seriously the hottest thing i've ever seen. since the first time i saw him. and i basically don't know him, so the effects of "love" don't exist. i'm too nervous to talk to him. i don't know what to say. in prehistoric times, i could just go up and start sniffing at him and proceed from there. stupid civilization getting in the way with it's rules of etiquette and all. he's definitely not ugly by any definitions, but he's not someone you'd see in a men's magazine. he's not the guy on the cover of men's health. you know. that's not how he looks. if you (or any guy who says the sorts of things you've said) saw him, you'd be shocked by his utter unremarkableness. that a cute but pretty normal guy has a stripper, or any fairly attractive woman, so interested that she turns into a nervous mess of awkward in his presence. but i just think he's the sexiest thing i've ever seen.
-love everyone but keep them far from your soul-





^ zing!
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i like the leaner look better,,
so hot.
I Feel Like A Million Tonight,,
But One At A Time.
Second one
another one for in between
the first one. it does have to do with my past experiences with the big muscle dudes (they've been very vain and obsessed with their looks, and critical of others which is a big turn off). however, simply based only on looks, the smaller guy is still sexier.
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