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    Okay, so Deja Vu (I know, I know, I know) in Ypsilanti, MI is my new homestead in three weeks. I've been on here for a year now and you all have prepared me so well, and I can't thank you enough. I'm getting nervous and excited as the date crawls forward, and I am looking forward to making some money!

    I've been thinking about the money at the club and what not, I have friends that work there who aren't doing that great right now. Money is tight around Michigan and the season doesn't help...Deja Vu's stupid specials don't help either. They have a $5 base rent and take 1/3 of what you make in LD and VIP fees, there are no mandatory tip outs. HOWEVER, we all know not tipping out the DJ and the man that walks you to your car (mandatory at this club) is a stupid idea. I really hate to see my money go to waste... I mean... like, if I'm busting my ass and only make $150 or $200 BEFORE tip out, why should I go and give that away to a bunch of people? If the DJ DIRECTLY helps me get a song then I think he should get 1/3 of the cost of the dance AFTER the club's cut... during times without specials that'd be $5. During times with specials that could be as little as $2. On a good night where people were helping me a lot I'd have no issues being a bit more generous, but 10%? Never. Unless this DJ is sitting up there being phenomenal I see no point in doing it. I'd much rather just tip him $10 because I'm not going to tip him more--that's basically me doing a dance for free! And the guy that walks me to my car? I'd say $5-10. I understand people will argue that he is "protecting" me, but really I'm not scared to walk 10 feet to my car by myself, the area is well lit and cops roll through there 24/7. The police station is 1/2 mile away.

    I've heard that if you don't tip the DJ well they will "fuck with" your time on stage and shit, but I just don't see what the huge deal is. They fuck with your song, you roll with it. I don't need a DJ to "represent me" a certain way, I can hustle my own and dance on stage to whatever bullshit song they want to put on to try and fuck with me with. You know?

    You can't tip out the managers at that club and I there is no house mom to my knowledge. If a waitress brings me a customer that actually BUYS a song then I think giving her a $5 tip is fine. Shit, after minimum wage you're making like $5.50-6 an hour so why should I tip her for close to an hour's worth of pay for a thirty second gesture? I understand that "money talks", but as stated, I have no issues hustling my ass to make money. I don't NEED waitresses and DJs to make my sales for me.

    I think tipping out $15 a night - $10 to the DJ and $5 to the doorman that takes me home (ONLY that doorman) would be fine with me. And of course $1-2 every time the door man escorts me outside to smoke. Other than that I see no point in tipping.

    I've heard all the "sides" and used the search engine before posting this. Am I missing something? Still?

    I mean, if a waitress helps me find someone who is a big spender and goes into VIP then I will certainly give her a nice tip, depending on the duration. 15 minute VIP only leaves me with $50 NOT INCLUDING DURING SPECIALS, so I see tipping her anymore than $10 as a waste of my time.

    I'm really high right now by the way...smoked a lot of weed. Sorry if this post seems irrational.
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    I know sometimes it can feel useless to give away your money especially when you havnt reached your goal. But with it being a new club and all it would be best to over tip for awhile as much as you can.
    You have to remember that the djs and others rely on girls tips too. If you tip well when you have a good nights they should understand when you have a bad night once and awhile and tip only by minimum standards.
    When you tip security well even when you dont need them, they are more likely to have your back and your best interests in mind when something does happen and will also respond more quickly. Because when you like someone you are more likely to have your eye on them throughout the night.
    The djs are the most important people I tip. They have control over lights that can make your body look perfect. And with the right light show they can make good dancing look like a great show. They also are responsible for getting the crowd in a "partying" mood and even egg on customers to come to the stage to tip. Stage money is in no way the majority of my money, but it can mean the difference between an easy extra $50 or couple of hundred. There are a couple of different djs where I work and I can tell by which one is working how my stage tips are going to be. IMO Djs should always be overtipped. Think 10-20%
    Valet guys...meh, five is sufficient I think.
    Money always comes slow at first until you establish regulars. Then you can reasonably predict what you are going to make before you go in. I start counting what I want to make before I leave the house depending on what regulars are coming in and what djs are working.
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    Default Re: I feel angry about club rules

    even if you just tip them really well the first few weeks you work there will be enough to keep them on your side later as you reduce tips. you dont want to miss out on a big spender because you refused 5bucks from someone. depending on the club, these places are about staff connections

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    I can totally relate to the OP. It kills me to tip out money when I feel like I can get away with not tipping. (I know, I know, I'm evil. But I'm frugal as fuck, so I pretty much treat every dollar like my last. I buy my clothes from Goodwill and everything!).

    To make your money go further, when you do tip out to people, make sure to tell them exactly WHY you're CHOOSING to give them more money. So if the DJ does a kick ass job with your music/lights, then as you're handing him his tip, say "This is for you! I really really appreciate ____. Can't wait to work with you again!" Or something to that effect. That way, your tip might actually stick in his mind, instead of you just being the 50th girl that night to tip him.

    ETA: Maybe this is an odd suggestion, but perhaps you could try intermittent tipping. It's the same reason gambling is so powerful for people--it doesn't pay off every time; the payout is random, so you keep playing the game. I find that when I consistently tip people, they come to just expect if from me and slack off a bit. So tip them randomly, but purposefully? Hmm..

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    Its been said before but I'll say it again: Deja Vu is the McDonald's of the sex industry and we're the burger flippers. -_-
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    Default Re: I feel angry about club rules

    I would not tip a DJ 10%!

    $10-30 tops and that is if they are doing a good job.

    Door guys $5 bucks.




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    Default Re: I feel angry about club rules

    As a general rule, I only tip out people that help me out whether it is hooking me up with customers or bringing my bags out to my car. I've never tipped a DJ 10% in my life because I don't feel they deserve that much of my income. I'll tip $20 usually and $10 to the guys that help me out to my car; even some to waitresses that go out of their way to suggest me to customers.

    Making money is almost 100% up to you. I think we deserve every penny.

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    Yeah, I think tipping a standard $10 to the DJ is what I'm going to do. Granted, if he is phenomenal I may add $5-10 on top of that on certain nights. On bad nights he may only get $5 or nothing and that'll just be tough luck for him. I come first and I'm the one working for my money, not him. I think it's fucked up the clubs pay them so little that the dancers have to shovel out their income to help sustain club employees! (Like doormen, some places managers, etc...not sure what filing status DJs have). Regardless, they should pay them enough so tips are just gratuity for that extra edge, and actually MAKE them WORK for the tips.

    I think even $5 is too much to the doorman to be honest. Think about it, that particular Deja Vu averages 10-15 girls depending on the day of the week. He usually walks the girls out in pairs or sometimes three girls from what I've observed. For literally two minutes of work if he's walking three girls out he made $15. On a night with only ten girls they would make $50 for maybe ten minutes of walking if EVERYONE was dragging their feet. Realistically because of the distance it'd be like 7-8 minutes.

    On a night with like 15 girls they could make like $75. It's like, come on. Seriously?!

    Same goes to the DJ, only they probably make more in tips usually.
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    This is one of the things I hated about dancing. Seemed I had to tip everyone, even people who did nothing. I never liked the idea of tipping a percentage because I made the money through hard work. While most djs did a great job, many didn't and many of them were terrible, yet I still had to tip them. In many cases they made more than me! If they were good they received a good tip from me (assuming I made great money that night). Bouncers/valet I tipped the minimum unless they went overboard. I had a few bouncers who were excellent so they received more. If a waitress or bartender actually helped me get a customer I tipped them. If they got me a drink (usually water or pop) then I tipped them too. I never thought it was fair when I had to tip someone who did nothing for me! I've gotten in trouble for not tipping someone who did nothing for me but why should we have to tip people who did nothing and at most are just doing their job but not doing anything to help you earn money?

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    I don't understand what the big deal is about tipping 10% to the DJ. Honestly, it's not that much of your income & if you ever had to work without a DJ I think you would appreciate them a lot more. A good DJ can make a world of difference. Without the DJ you end up with:

    1.) Confusion about the rotation list - dancers going up to the wrong song or getting out of order

    2.) Problems with music - like programming songs, things being out of order, songs not actually getting put in

    3.) There's no one to mess with the crowd, get them going, & encourage them to tip

    4.) There's no one tell tell a girl what she can/can't play. When you have to give a lap dance to crazy yodeling music or something you will understand

    5.) Its really hard to get skipped on the rotation list because you are giving lap dances if there is no DJ.


    Even in places where tipping the DJ 10% isn't required I still do it. One of my first clubs ever this girl had been shorting the DJ for weeks. Every time she went on stage he played her some bs music that wasn't fit for dancing. At one point I ended up onstage for her rotation & he played the Jitterbug for her... which is not a good song for stripping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    I don't understand what the big deal is about tipping 10% to the DJ. Honestly, it's not that much of your income & if you ever had to work without a DJ I think you would appreciate them a lot more. A good DJ can make a world of difference. Without the DJ you end up with:

    1.) Confusion about the rotation list - dancers going up to the wrong song or getting out of order

    2.) Problems with music - like programming songs, things being out of order, songs not actually getting put in

    3.) There's no one to mess with the crowd, get them going, & encourage them to tip

    4.) There's no one tell tell a girl what she can/can't play. When you have to give a lap dance to crazy yodeling music or something you will understand

    5.) Its really hard to get skipped on the rotation list because you are giving lap dances if there is no DJ.


    Even in places where tipping the DJ 10% isn't required I still do it. One of my first clubs ever this girl had been shorting the DJ for weeks. Every time she went on stage he played her some bs music that wasn't fit for dancing. At one point I ended up onstage for her rotation & he played the Jitterbug for her... which is not a good song for stripping.
    I've worked with DJs who actually did all of those because they were inexperienced, so yes I've seen those things happen. I once worked at a club where the DJ was the managers son and all he did all night was play whatever he wanted, screwed up rotation, said stupid things, and obnoxious. Why should he get the same as a DJ who's doing a great job? I've also worked at clubs without DJs and in a few cases this was better than having a terrible DJ. Do I think most DJs are like this? No, most are good and professional but there are lousy ones and they don't deserve a penny.

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    My friend said she usually tips the doormen $3 for walking her to her car and that is fine. I guess that's normal at that particular club. I would gladly tip a doorman if he intervened if a customer was being out of line.

    I would gladly tip a waitress if she brought me to a customer who IN TURN purchased a lap dance. I would not tip a waitress for bringing me a lousy time waster. They will be tipped for actually bringing me work, which will give them incentive to be more selective in who they bring me to versus just pointing me towards any and everyone that walks in.

    I will gladly tip the DJ $10 a night for his help. I think $10 a night is fair, and if there are 10-15 girls working who all tip $10 then that's $100-150. I'm only trying to average $200 a night so he would have half or more of my goal made just from tips! I'm hoping to god he's paid enough to make something close to that. I'd say $150-200 a night with wage and tips (which is reasonable with my tipping system) is great money because that's what I want to make. If I make $200 and give him $10 and the door man $3-5 then I'll have about $185 left over, which is fine by me. That's $50 a week to the DJ plus $25 a week to the doorman. I'm not trying to tip out $150-200 a week because that'd be like working a whole night just to pay others!

    Call me cheap, because I am. I'll gladly spend other's money but not mine! If the DJ wants to fuck with my songs and play yodeling music I won't be the only unhappy dancer. He'll be affecting girls in VIP and LD booths, so he'll probably get some bad tips that night, especially if he fucks with them during a time with a big spender. I'm not going to be backed into a corner and told "tip me or else I'll ruin you", I don't HAVE to tip you, it's a courtesy and you should damn well treat it like one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I've worked with DJs who actually did all of those because they were inexperienced, so yes I've seen those things happen. I once worked at a club where the DJ was the managers son and all he did all night was play whatever he wanted, screwed up rotation, said stupid things, and obnoxious. Why should he get the same as a DJ who's doing a great job? I've also worked at clubs without DJs and in a few cases this was better than having a terrible DJ. Do I think most DJs are like this? No, most are good and professional but there are lousy ones and they don't deserve a penny.
    If your DJ isn't doing his job you need to talk to the manager or owner about it. Not tipping or under tipping doesn't really work to clue them in. I agree that a DJ who is worthless doesn't deserve one who is worth his/her weight in gold... but again the money paid doesn't automatically clue them in to how well they are performing or what they are doing wrong.
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    ^^I think one way to prevent that is to tip them the same amount routinely (minimum requirement or whatever you choose if there is no requirement) but then to tip them an extra $5-10 on nights when they performed exceptionally AND to state why before you hand them the money. Two things happen here:

    1.) You'll have their attention because they want the money.
    2.) You will be giving them positive reinforcement and explaining what you would like to see continue.

    This doesn't mean that if they continue the same behavior every night they should continue receiving more than the standard tip, because there is always room for improvement!

    You can also choose to tip them $1 on nights when they are not working for you as expected. (In clubs where there is no minimum tip out, like mine). This concept is similar to that of leaving a waitress a penny; you remind them that you haven't forgotten to tip but also show them that their work was unacceptable. You can also take advantage of this opportunity to say "I'm only tipping you a dollar because you did x, and it affected me in x way". If they are a good DJ that cares about the girls then they will listen and try to improve, and then you can tip them your standard tip again. If they are a bad DJ then they will become angry and resentful, in which case I would approach management.

    On bad nights it is always worth it to go explain why you can't tip out, so they don't become confused about something.

    Girls have the power in the club, and I think they forget that. Without them there would be NO business, they are the center of everything. If a DJ is really fucking with everyone then they won't last long if girls SPEAK UP!
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    In clubs with minimum tip out requirements you could choose to add $5 to this minimum to give yourself leverage in case they do something stupid. If you must tip out 10% and you add $5 to that consistently then they will notice the missing $5. This will also give you the opportunity to confront bad behavior, whereas tipping them only the minimum you would have no monetary leverage to your advantage. When you hand them the tip say "I'm only tipping you the minimum requirement because you did x, which affected me in x way". Money talks, in both ways--good and bad. If you can handle swallowing $5 more a night then it could help you out if they start slacking off or hurting your business.

    You can also add $5-10 to good nights to use positive reinforcement, which will give you the same advantages as I listed in my previous post.

    Humans are creatures of habit and notice changes, AND positive and negative reinforcement works better than bitching and throwing some crumbled singles at them while you mumble to yourself.
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    I've worked at many clubs where you tip the DJ 10% and I think that's wayy too much. While I definitely appreciate a good DJ, I feel like he deserves 20 max from each girl. Just because:
    Imagine there are 30 girls working. If every girl only gives him 10 (the general required minimum) that's already 300$. A lot of money. And if the average is 500 for every girl that's 1500 for him(!!!!) Think about it that way, because I'm sure sometimes they even get more than that. I'd rather be DJing than dancing then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    If your DJ isn't doing his job you need to talk to the manager or owner about it. Not tipping or under tipping doesn't really work to clue them in. I agree that a DJ who is worthless doesn't deserve one who is worth his/her weight in gold... but again the money paid doesn't automatically clue them in to how well they are performing or what they are doing wrong.
    In the cases I mentioned several of us talked to the manager and nothing happened. That's why I often refused to tip or tipped what I had to. I'm not talking a bad day, talking guys who were awful.

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