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    SB 1070 in a modified incarnation took effect last week. A federal judge blocked some parts from taking effect. It doesn't matter, however because some of them are coming here to New Mexico.
    If the feds say immigration is not a state issue THEN GET UP OFF YOUR LAZY BUREAUCRATIC ASSES AND FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
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    I got an email from an "immigrants rights organization" comparing this bill to the 14th Amendment and slavery. I was astounded. Illegals shouldn't have the same rights as FREED SLAVES! Unreal. We need to fix illegal immigration because I am tired of paying for the illegals who have kids here we pay for, taking money away from other kids.

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    The assumtion that illegal immigrants dont pay their fair share in taxes is quite frankly bullshit. A myth. Immigrants are NOT a drain on the economy! They have the same amount of taxes taken out of their checks as we do, but they dont have the right to claim on taxes. (obviously). They actually contribute more to the public sector than they actually use. (mainly local services-schools/libraries) Documented and undocumented immigrants are eligible for some services but dont use them because they are in fear of being seen as a public charge and will make it harder for them to stay and apply for citizenship. So they pay taxes but are afraid to use anything.
    New York Times "illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidey of as much as $7 billion a year" These workers will bever be able to receive social security benefits. And as far as I know, they can get any social services eaither.

    The government knows how many people are coming in every year. Most of the people that come here are looking for a better way of life. College is free in alot of other places, but there is no work. There are people with engineering degrees working as bus drivers. Smart people want better. But they system is so fucked up that its nearly impossible to come over legally unless you already come from money. Wanna know why we are getting alot of criminals from other countries? They have money and a fucked up government. Even our border patrol is paid off.

    These people come from places where the cartel will cut off an innocent mans head and roll the head out into the middle of the street as a scare tactic.

    Something does need to happen about the immigration issue but they are going after the wrong people. The actual criminals arent the ones sneaking across the border. This pisses me off because people are going off of what the media is feeding them. Non citizens pay taxes!
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    Default Re: Arizona after SB 1070

    BTW Id like to know that "immirants rights organization" Id like to be on their mailing list

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    My main rant here in a border state is very few of them make an effort to learn English. Even if the only thing you learn to say is "I don't speak English". I'm sick and tired of walking into a place of business and getting "Hablas espanol" or "No habla ingles"
    Yeah, I speak Spanish, but I refuse to on principle. If they're going to come here legally or illegally, learn the language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    The assumtion that illegal immigrants dont pay their fair share in taxes is quite frankly bullshit. A myth. Immigrants are NOT a drain on the economy! They have the same amount of taxes taken out of their checks as we do, but they dont have the right to claim on taxes. (obviously). They actually contribute more to the public sector than they actually use. (mainly local services-schools/libraries) Documented and undocumented immigrants are eligible for some services but dont use them because they are in fear of being seen as a public charge and will make it harder for them to stay and apply for citizenship. So they pay taxes but are afraid to use anything.
    New York Times "illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidey of as much as $7 billion a year" These workers will bever be able to receive social security benefits. And as far as I know, they can get any social services eaither.

    The government knows how many people are coming in every year. Most of the people that come here are looking for a better way of life. College is free in alot of other places, but there is no work. There are people with engineering degrees working as bus drivers. Smart people want better. But they system is so fucked up that its nearly impossible to come over legally unless you already come from money. Wanna know why we are getting alot of criminals from other countries? They have money and a fucked up government. Even our border patrol is paid off.

    These people come from places where the cartel will cut off an innocent mans head and roll the head out into the middle of the street as a scare tactic.

    Something does need to happen about the immigration issue but they are going after the wrong people. The actual criminals arent the ones sneaking across the border. This pisses me off because people are going off of what the media is feeding them. Non citizens pay taxes!
    I live in Illinois, worked for an immigrants program, and yes many illegals (in Illinois they aren't allowed to ask immigration status) get free welfare for their kids. Public aid requires translators. I have no issue with illegals who want to make a better life, but the freeloaders? They can go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    The assumtion that illegal immigrants dont pay their fair share in taxes is quite frankly bullshit. A myth. Immigrants are NOT a drain on the economy! They have the same amount of taxes taken out of their checks as we do, but they dont have the right to claim on taxes. (obviously). They actually contribute more to the public sector than they actually use. (mainly local services-schools/libraries) Documented and undocumented immigrants are eligible for some services but dont use them because they are in fear of being seen as a public charge and will make it harder for them to stay and apply for citizenship. So they pay taxes but are afraid to use anything.
    New York Times "illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidey of as much as $7 billion a year" These workers will bever be able to receive social security benefits. And as far as I know, they can get any social services eaither.

    The government knows how many people are coming in every year. Most of the people that come here are looking for a better way of life. College is free in alot of other places, but there is no work. There are people with engineering degrees working as bus drivers. Smart people want better. But they system is so fucked up that its nearly impossible to come over legally unless you already come from money. Wanna know why we are getting alot of criminals from other countries? They have money and a fucked up government. Even our border patrol is paid off.

    These people come from places where the cartel will cut off an innocent mans head and roll the head out into the middle of the street as a scare tactic.

    Something does need to happen about the immigration issue but they are going after the wrong people. The actual criminals arent the ones sneaking across the border. This pisses me off because people are going off of what the media is feeding them. Non citizens pay taxes!
    I do not vouch for the veracity of this source, but it contradicts your claim that illegals are not a drain on our society, as far as taxes vs services.

    http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pag...s_iv_ctrl=1741

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    I do not vouch for the veracity of this source, but it contradicts your claim that illegals are not a drain on our society, as far as taxes vs services.
    I've heard conflicting stories with that organization, but here's a story CBS did about the whole "anchor baby" movement: . This woman snuck over the border for the free healthcare (free for her, not us) and so her kid would be a citizen, probably so he'd get welfare too.

    Here's another story about illegals: . This family has been here 15 years, doesn't speak English, has 10 kids, and are currently unemployed. Want to bet we take care of them too?

    I am tired of the freeloaders. Come here legally, learn English, and work hard. Don't come here expecting us to learn Spanish (incidentally I know Spanish), take our money and expect to be catered to. I am tired of all the welfare programs here requiring bilingual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    The assumtion that illegal immigrants dont pay their fair share in taxes is quite frankly bullshit. A myth. Immigrants are NOT a drain on the economy! They have the same amount of taxes taken out of their checks as we do, but they dont have the right to claim on taxes. (obviously). They actually contribute more to the public sector than they actually use. (mainly local services-schools/libraries) Documented and undocumented immigrants are eligible for some services but dont use them because they are in fear of being seen as a public charge and will make it harder for them to stay and apply for citizenship. So they pay taxes but are afraid to use anything.
    Have you ever lived in a town that is mostly illegal immigrants? I grew up in Los Angeles and now live in Arizona. You're kidding yourself if you think that a majority aren't on welfare and using the system to their gain. Also, a decent number of illegal immigrants get paid under the table with no taxes paid.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    New York Times "illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidey of as much as $7 billion a year" These workers will bever be able to receive social security benefits. And as far as I know, they can get any social services eaither.
    "As much as" those numbers were if every illegal immigrant paid full taxes and was a benefit to industry. Keep dreaming. Some do, most don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    The government knows how many people are coming in every year.
    Even the government admits that their figures are a best estimate situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    Most of the people that come here are looking for a better way of life.

    This is true, they really do want a better way of life, but they are willing to take whatever is better than what they had before, even if it violating laws here. There are tons of "houses" in Arizona and Southern California that are really just poorly made structures that violate building codes and are dangerous. Most of them are broken storage sheds or even tents.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    College is free in alot of other places, but there is no work.There are people with engineering degrees working as bus drivers.
    ...and there is tons of work here? I don't see how paying for college and then still not finding work is a better life. Doesn't your argument show that they would be better off where they are?

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    Smart people want better. But they system is so fucked up that its nearly impossible to come over legally unless you already come from money. Wanna know why we are getting alot of criminals from other countries? They have money and a fucked up government.
    I agree that it is too hard to come over legally. I think they should allow for a better process to come here legally and let more in. I agree that it would cut down on criminals and frankly, I'm sick of hearing more and more stories of how the coyotes tricked illegal immigrants out of their money, their hope, and their lives. Just because the system hasn't been fixed yet, doesn't mean it is okay to break the law. As far as criminals go, that's why we're trying to secure the borders. We are constantly making steps to prevent that. We want the good hard workers here and the bad people to stay away. The system hasn't caught up yet. Governments are very slow. It's not a nice thing, but it is reality.


    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    Even our border patrol is paid off.
    Where the hell is your source on this one? Please don't quote some bullshit blog or rights group. Try going for scholastic sources and hard facts. From someone who has worked with Border Patrol a lot, I see no grounds for this statement and find it insulting that you would tarnish the names of hardworking individuals trying to make their state safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    These people come from places where the cartel will cut off an innocent mans head and roll the head out into the middle of the street as a scare tactic.
    Umm...have you actually visited many places in Central and South America? Yes, some places are not very nice, but this is far from the norm. Occasionally there is a traumatic event or story big enough to put on the news, but that doesn't make that the everyday reality. You see plane crashes on the news and it seems like you see them pretty often, but the reality is that major airlines don't have a plane crash everyday or even often.

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingDaisy View Post
    Something does need to happen about the immigration issue but they are going after the wrong people. The actual criminals arent the ones sneaking across the border. This pisses me off because people are going off of what the media is feeding them. Non citizens pay taxes!
    Who would the right people be? The legal citizens of the US still arguing over this issue because all sides are passionate about getting it right? As far as I was taught, committing a crime makes you a criminal. As far as the non citizens paying taxes, some do, most don't. I've spent my entire life in the middle of illegal immigrants. They are amazing people and some have numbered in my closest friends, but that doesn't make them right. I see what happens because I'm in the midst of it, not because I'm finding all the articles and quotes I can that make me feel better or make something look nicer than it really is.



    I'm sorry it's not all that nice. I'm sorry those people are wrong. I'm sorry we have yet to make it easier for them to come over. There are problems on both sides of the fence, but we know that we are taking too long to do our job. It shouldn't be wrong to say that they haven't been helping the situation either.
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    I don't condone illegal immigration by any means, but they wouldn't be sniffing around if there wasn't sufficient incentive for them to risk life and limb to get here. Go after the people that keep employing them under the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I don't condone illegal immigration by any means, but they wouldn't be sniffing around if there wasn't sufficient incentive for them to risk life and limb to get here. Go after the people that keep employing them under the table.
    we've tried this approach. it's not enough. i'm in phoenix so i'm like right in the middle of this crap.

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    Hi! I live in Tucson. Just wanted to post this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Hi! I live in Tucson. Just wanted to post this.

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    Yes, illegal immigration is a problem. I do not believe in amending constitution to do so. Here are three things that I think would help lessen the problem.
    1) End the drug war. it can never be won. The drug war fueled civil wars and gang violence in south america and mexico for years. Bringing about instability in those areas leading many to risk life and limb to come to the USA.
    2) Double the fines employers face, and add on manditory jail time. The immigrants would not be here if no one was hiring them. the current laws concerning hiring are not working because they are never enforced.
    3)End social security, and welfare. Your kids, and your retirement are your own responsibility. Want socialism?? It is a plane flight away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I want to move to Japan, so I'm making an effort to learn Japanese. I don't expect them to learn English to accomodate me.
    And i bet you're going to move there legally.


    As far as quoting the many contradictions online about the issue i can only speak for myself. I live in Dallas Texas in the Pleasant Grove area. The two middle schools within eyesight of my house have only Hispanic students, none black or white. The signs outside are only in Spanish. A few years ago they made it mandatory to learn Spanish or the teaches there would be replaced.
    Now the neighborhood actually improved here when the Hispanic community took over because the gang violence here died down massively. There is still a lot of drugs, but they are peaceful about it.
    Take this information for whatever you want, it's just facts.

    About taxes though, don't fucking bullshit anyone by claiming they pay taxes! They pay taxes on the jobs they get paid under the table about as much as my little brother pays taxes after mowing lawns.
    They get handed cash at the end of the day and go home, end of story.
    I blame the work trucks that pick them up outside the 7-11 down the street from me as much as I blame the illegal migrants.
    There is a process to come here legally and they chose not to follow it so I really don't have any sympathy for anything that happens to them trying to get here or after they get here. It's the risk they decided to take. There is no holocaust going on in Mexico that illegal Hispanic immigrant are escaping from.

    And boycotting Frito's is retarded. f you don't like what Arizona did then don't fucking go there, don't boycott some chips!
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    This is a touchy subject because my mom's family is LEGALLY trying to get into the USA when at the same time my boyfriend's mom and dad came here illegally from Mexico and had kids. I feel resentful towards them in a low key way but at the same time I would have never met my boyfriend if they didn't.... unless they came here legally. My half brother is STILL trying to come here legally since 2001 since he's over seas and it pisses me off when people from Mexico just easily cross the border and have kids without having to pay for it. Ugh. I love the culture to death but there is a BIG difference between being Latin and being Illegal.
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