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    Lately, I've had dances tell me how bad business has been, much like you read here. They're going home with like $30 on a bad day and too often only $100.
    So two questions.
    Are they sincere? I think so because so many have the same story, and it's not hard to see clubs aren't doing great business.
    And two: Would you reveal you financial information to a customer? Seems like you're kind of giving away a negotiating advantage.
    Thoughts?

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    If you can look around the club and the dancers outnumber the patrons, she probably is sincere. I used to like to go out on weeknights or in the afternoon, when the ratio was such that I could be sure of some attention, but these days it's getting ridiculous.

    There are a couple reasons she tells you about it:

    - It's weighing on her mind all the time; as she tries to make conversation it can't help coming out. This is a serious problem for girls who used to support themselves nicely doing this.

    - It's a sympathy ploy, an appeal to a potential white knight. If she just met you and you might be good for a dance or 2, she'd better get it before the next girl does.

    Most worthwhile clubs in my area are fairly corporate, not much concern that LD price will be negotiated down due to "balance of power". Then again, maybe I should verify that's as true now as it used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Pepys View Post
    Would you reveal you financial information to a customer? Seems like you're kind of giving away a negotiating advantage.
    I'm not really clear on what sort of negotiating advantage the dancer is giving up here. Honestly, I don't see the "business is slow" ploy as being any different from "my rent is do", "my kid's dad keeps missing his child support payments" or "my car broke down and I need money to fix it". These are all sympathy plays. I don't think they work on most customers and I know they don't work on me.
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    Default Re: Revealing too much?

    Even if I'm having a bad day, I don't complain.
    That's the last thing guys wanna hear...(I'm sure).
    There are times when I'll say, "Oh, tonight is busier than last night....blah, blah, blah", but I don't complain about not making any money.

    I'll just come on here or FB and complain about it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I'm not really clear on what sort of negotiating advantage the dancer is giving up here. Honestly, I don't see the "business is slow" ploy as being any different from "my rent is do", "my kid's dad keeps missing his child support payments" or "my car broke down and I need money to fix it". These are all sympathy plays. I don't think they work on most customers and I know they don't work on me.
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    Default Re: Revealing too much?

    I wouldn't discuss it with customers... because it seems like it would screw me over either way.

    If the dancer says she's not doing well she'll probably sound like she's complaining & he won't want to be around her.

    If she is making too much money then he'll figure she doesn't need his.

    Besides, it's not the customer's business. Do you go to Starbucks & have the barista tell you how much he/she makes? What about your waiter or banker? People don't do that because it's not considered professional to discuss that subject.
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    if i say anything about money, it's usually in response to yet another asshole telling me i must make so much money, which is why he's not going to get any dances from me. he'll take the fugly girl who always banks because every guy thinks he'll get more from her or appreciate him more for getting dances because she's fugly. meanwhile, most of the nicest, prettiest girls are bitching at the end of the night about how they may as well be working at walmart, since the money (after makeup, outfits, gas, fees, etc) isn't really any better.

    so if i said something about money before a guy said anything about my money, it would probably be because i hear that shit so much that i expect you believe it too. it's part of the speech i wish i could give... no, it's not my real name. i grew up nearby. no, i'm not part asian/latina. no, i don't have a boyfriend. the money sucks, but i like getting naked and sleeping when the sun is out.
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    Default Re: Revealing too much?

    If you can look around the club and the dancers outnumber the patrons
    Totally not true.

    There are dancers that use the "I'm broke" hustle all the time.

    It only takes one or two good customers to have a decent night to great night.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Pepys View Post
    Lately, I've had dances tell me how bad business has been, much like you read here. They're going home with like $30 on a bad day and too often only $100.
    So two questions.
    Are they sincere? I think so because so many have the same story, and it's not hard to see clubs aren't doing great business.
    And two: Would you reveal you financial information to a customer? Seems like you're kind of giving away a negotiating advantage.
    Thoughts?
    Like anything (essentially everything) they say to you, it is simply an attempt to generate business. Maybe they're just tired of telling you how much they enjoy your company, think you're funny, cute, or intelligent, or how you're one of their favorite customers. It's simply a sales tactic and unless you're totally clueless, shouldn't work any better on you than the other lines.
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    I've always had the feeling dancer's incomes fall in a recession and its aftermath.

    1) There's less money about because of the economic downturn.

    2) Women that wouldn't otherwse consider dancing take up dancing to make ends meet.

    Less money + more dancers = fall in average income.

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    I have never and would never tell a custie if I am having/had a bad night. I'm there to show off my sexiness not make myself look more pathetic. I think that revealing that you don't make money makes you look less sexy or not "good enough". I don't understand how that works as a sales tactic. If I was a customer I'd be turned off if I had to listen to a dancer's sob story. But if a girl is telling you money is not good lately then she might be telling the truth because a lot of girls in the club are complaining to eachother about how much it sucks.

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    Sometimes it goes the other way though. I've had men in the 50's and 60's try to heckle me into admitting 'Dancing isn't what it used to be" and that I hardly make money anymore. True, the days I hear about when girls would consistently make $2k/night are gone (if they ever existed at all), but I do really well stripping and it irritates me when a smart ass customer insinuates that my job isn't 'worth it' anymore.

    I always try to say something like "Yeah, it's not like I heard it once was, but I still love my job and do really well". They roll their eyes and pity me. Whatever that's about.



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    It's impressive how well many dancers can read customers. They can tell in 20 seconds I'm more likely to fall for "I'm so broke" than "I make 4 figures every night so you better spend big with me". Course there are others who don't have a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    Sometimes it goes the other way though. I've had men in the 50's and 60's try to heckle me into admitting 'Dancing isn't what it used to be" and that I hardly make money anymore. ...
    Maybe you should just say "I know what you mean, I had to sell my porsche and buy a beamer!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    Sometimes it goes the other way though. I've had men in the 50's and 60's try to heckle me into admitting 'Dancing isn't what it used to be" and that I hardly make money anymore. True, the days I hear about when girls would consistently make $2k/night are gone (if they ever existed at all), but I do really well stripping and it irritates me when a smart ass customer insinuates that my job isn't 'worth it' anymore.
    Yeah, I've heard about idiots like this first -hand form my favs and, honestly, I just don't get it. What exactly is there to be accomplished by being an adversarial dick-head when you are sitting with a beautiful woman who you are hoping to be entertained by?
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    i think those guys do that because they're hoping to finally get the chance to break a girl down into being desperate enough to fuck them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majordon View Post
    If you can look around the club and the dancers outnumber the patrons, she probably is sincere.
    Not True! And I'm really tired of guys knowing so much about the stripclub environment that hardly ever go. If you don't dance or work in a stripclub, then your perception of business is jaded at best. So, please don't tell me how much money I should make each night or that business is booming in this recession because the club is packed with deadbeat custys.

    Guys pump me about my financial earnings all the time, along with my real name, address, and phone number. All of these things have nothing to do with the sale of a lapdance. They're just nosey, timewasters that try to throw me off my game.

    Suckers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    i think those guys do that because they're hoping to finally get the chance to break a girl down into being desperate enough to fuck them.
    LOl - I think that she is right that some guys think that this information is valuable in determining if he has a chance to work things out, back to the OP's theory of negotiating power.

    But in practice I do not believe that a girl that has never fucked for money, and is morally opposed to doing so, is going to cave in just because her pockets are thin. Hence, I'm not sure that this offers as strong a negotiating advantage as the OP may believe.

    Now might a bad night or week hasten a hookup with a girl who is otherwise willing? IME yes, it has led to several early departures back to my hotel and/or shortened the necessary "get to know you" time. But has a flash of a bankroll ever converted the truly opposed or unwilling? IMHO, no.

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    ^ oh, i wasn't talking prostitution necessarily. since the economy took a dive, i got a lot more guys asking me to date them. like, hey i'm not making much as a stripper, so how about i stop working and move in with them and be there live-in house cleaning sex slave?

    yeah, no thanks. this is a strip club, not a dating service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeBe View Post
    Guys pump me about my financial earnings all the time, along with my real name, address, and phone number. All of these things have nothing to do with the sale of a lapdance. They're just nosey, timewasters that try to throw me off my game.
    This is a more general problem, the whole dumbass "hard to get" game. Women (in general) are as guilty as men are. If a guy asks a woman out, and she likes him, she should just friggin say yes. She shouldn't make him ask 20 times to try to get the "upper hand" in the relationship. If he wants more sex than she is down with without a commitment, she should say that rather than just telling the guy no. If a woman turns a guy down for a date, then starts to like him, she should be willing to say "do you still want to take me out?" rather than thinking it's on the guy to ask her again. In short, if no always really meant no, only the really hardcore asshole guys would badger women.

    Now that I'm ranting anyway, there is no reason for a woman to get pissed by a guy asking her out, no matter how much of a disgusting mutant she thinks he is. There are enough couples around with a big hot/ugly mismatch for us ugly people to think we might win the lottery. If you're out of a guy's league, but it makes you doubt that because he asks you out, that's just your own self-confidence problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    i think those guys do that because they're hoping to finally get the chance to break a girl down into being desperate enough to fuck them.
    I don't ask ever ask more than "are you having a good night?" because people in general get offended if you ask for specifics about their finances. But custies naturally wonder what it really feels like to walk a mile in those 6-inch heels. So we wonder about money since it can give a clue about how hard dancing is as a job. Most dancers have enough going on so they could quit dancing and easily make $20K/year, so we figure it has to pay better than that. There was dancer whose figure could give guys whiplash from spinning their heads around so fast, although her dances were pretty tame. She left for a job that pays about $40K/year. If she had moved to Vegas or someplace like that, my guess is that she could have easily made six figures. So I think she must have really disliked dancing, even though she always had a smile for the custies.

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