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    Quote Originally Posted by malayataylor View Post
    EXACTLY I am just trying to keep my mouth shut here.. ugh!
    LOL ok I was bold and provocative, and sorry if someone took offense I have an italian sense of humor that may be lost in translation (unsure if you seen Benigni movies I live near him,) but hey why the forum should be just all cam girls agreeing each other on all with no one ike a cam site guy who write some shit just to bring discussion into some other direction, I not mean to call me exploitative douchebag as this is not about the topic but about me. Hey we're not nice between site owners we steal customers and copy softwares, we're no angels we're sharks - but who will believe the cam girls love each others and have no one issue of an hundred new models join your preferite site and kick you in third page where no one viewer reach you? I am unsure if this is censorship as we can't say certain things, hey people taking all personal here is just facts, how things go in general, not mean everyone do this just a majority which counts to explain why sites pay 30% and have 1000 models online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    LOL ok I was bold and provocative, and sorry if someone took offense I have an italian sense of humor that may be lost in translation (unsure if you seen Benigni movies I live near him,) but hey why the forum should be just all cam girls agreeing each other on all with no one ike a cam site guy who write some shit just to bring discussion into some other direction, I not mean to call me exploitative douchebag as this is not about the topic but about me. Hey we're not nice between site owners we steal customers and copy softwares, we're no angels we're sharks - but who will believe the cam girls love each others and have no one issue of an hundred new models join your preferite site and kick you in third page where no one viewer reach you? I am unsure if this is censorship as we can't say certain things, hey people taking all personal here is just facts, how things go in general, not mean everyone do this just a majority which counts to explain why sites pay 30% and have 1000 models online.
    I can understand where you're coming from on certain things. I understand the desire to niche. However, I am curious about how the audition process works for your site. Since the model is required to go nude in the audition cam session, I'm assuming that the model release is signed and returned back to you prior to the audition. Please correct me if I am wrong. So then, what happens if the model is rejected? Will that cam session video belong to you, so that you may use that as promotional material for your site? I hope that this is explicitly clarified in the model release. Could you explain please how this works?

    Also, in the case where you asked models to promote your site on forums for you, did you have a referral program in place? Did you offer models incentives to promote the site for you? If not, then I can understand why they declined.
    Please elaborate on this also.
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    I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christany View Post
    So then, what happens if the model is rejected? Will that cam session video belong to you, so that you may use that as promotional material for your site?
    Also, in the case where you asked models to promote your site on forums for you, did you have a referral program in place?
    I feel is a little offtopic here and I not want to seem I promote my site but well I am asked so hereby I answer, if really someone want talk of my site better someone do a topic on it and I not infestate other topics.

    The audition cam session (maybe looks less rude than "test" - sorry for my English, I am european), is done without sign anything and is not recorded and sure not used for any promotion. Just is taken some screenshot for reference for who not attended and then deleted, and it ends at the moment panties removed, no sex or action. We only want to see body and video quality so may be even boring clip after all.

    More widely about recordings we do NOT record private chats and do NOT use for promotion and NOT resell recordings at any time. There's no free chat and the private is one on one (no groups) and not recorded, aal clips is gone after it happened, and any record is temporary for admin or legal reasons only and no one see it. For me live cam is live only, like a concert: either you was there, or you missed it - no replay. There's many big sites who offer to buy all private happened (what private is that if others can buy and see it?) and so I kept out as I would have too few aniway.
    For advertising I use banners in specific member areas of erotica sites so not need clips, and leave others the biz of advertize with many clips.

    About referral program yes we have one but is a little different, we pay 82% net on price of model when she chat with guys that she have bring, but nothing to her if they guy chat other models. This referring is made nearly by hand, model write us "I will bring [email protected]" before to call him, then he register, then we set him as her guy with 82% payout. Note standard pay on my traffic guys is 60% on model price so I think is fair enough. Altough someone may prefer get a 20%+ on all the guy's chat with other models too as most referrals systems, but 82% when he chat her specifically plus $50 one time per guy is sweet enough for some.
    Actually 30% my customers is bring by models, 30% from banners and 30% I have no idea as they have no aff id - but I don't complain

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    The response is appreciated. I'm sure you can understand that this site is specifically aimed towards the performers in the industry. Therefore, any potential recruiters or cam site owners should be prepared to answer in depth questions regarding our safety and dignity. Would you please post a link to your model release form, so that any potential models can review it to make sure it coincides with the information in your post?

    I suppose this thread would be the more relevant place to continue this topic:
    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...08#post1978008

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    I feel is a little offtopic here and I not want to seem I promote my site but well I am asked so hereby I answer, if really someone want talk of my site better someone do a topic on it and I not infestate other topics.

    The audition cam session (maybe looks less rude than "test" - sorry for my English, I am european), is done without sign anything and is not recorded and sure not used for any promotion. Just is taken some screenshot for reference for who not attended and then deleted, and it ends at the moment panties removed, no sex or action. We only want to see body and video quality so may be even boring clip after all.

    More widely about recordings we do NOT record private chats and do NOT use for promotion and NOT resell recordings at any time. There's no free chat and the private is one on one (no groups) and not recorded, aal clips is gone after it happened, and any record is temporary for admin or legal reasons only and no one see it. For me live cam is live only, like a concert: either you was there, or you missed it - no replay. There's many big sites who offer to buy all private happened (what private is that if others can buy and see it?) and so I kept out as I would have too few aniway.
    For advertising I use banners in specific member areas of erotica sites so not need clips, and leave others the biz of advertize with many clips.

    About referral program yes we have one but is a little different, we pay 82% net on price of model when she chat with guys that she have bring, but nothing to her if they guy chat other models. This referring is made nearly by hand, model write us "I will bring [email protected]" before to call him, then he register, then we set him as her guy with 82% payout. Note standard pay on my traffic guys is 60% on model price so I think is fair enough. Altough someone may prefer get a 20%+ on all the guy's chat with other models too as most referrals systems, but 82% when he chat her specifically plus $50 one time per guy is sweet enough for some.
    Actually 30% my customers is bring by models, 30% from banners and 30% I have no idea as they have no aff id - but I don't complain
    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christany View Post
    The response is appreciated. I'm sure you can understand that this site is specifically aimed towards the performers in the industry. Therefore, any potential recruiters or cam site owners should be prepared to answer in depth questions regarding our safety and dignity. Would you please post a link to your model release form, so that any potential models can review it to make sure it coincides with the information in your post?

    I suppose this thread would be the more relevant place to continue this topic:
    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...08#post1978008
    Sure please if anyone to write about the european douchebag who write strangely about chatgf, use that thread above only as I feel already an intruder around off-topics, sorry I run a chat site and I am chatty lots.

    In the other thread - I'll be happy to answer more. Further, to change the way I operate the site if I see I am doing something silly or not appreciated. To see if information I post coincide with reality is not matter of post links to documents as these also should be verified if respected in practice (for who wants to know more the Help and Terms of Service pages of site are best source aniway), the best would be some model who worked at my site tell something but seems in this forum is only western models and I worked with european and asian models only for now, except couple US and Canada girls who are out of cam biz now.
    About my answers who not convince: In other post a girl said I should pay $10-$20 the girl who do the online "test", I will consider this, just I had no models asking money for the test before, eventually russians found it normal to do a test for free (they're also models for photos and castings for photographers are made for free in russia). But is not normal or looking fair in USA - ok it could be, I learn sometihng in europe and something in west and put all together - I wish have models from all the world and so I am ready to adapt in order to make it happen, if is just $10 is no big deal.
    - end of the offtopic, pls not reply here as is no AR promotional tips -

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    I can write something in topic with AE Promotional tips and tricks to be forgiven of the offtopic.

    Link exchange and SEO words give the best results because is free of charge (is just matter of use your time for PR and design - time is money?), and also is most targeted, means 1 every few will buy.
    I confirm this is the best way to go for a camgurl.com venture.
    Just it will hit a limit, you hardly can have million viewers this way, would be too good to be true.

    The big sites simply have cash and pay for traffic, more the cash paid more the traffic, very easy equation, is not much matter of skills.
    Actually the big traffic is in tubes and tgp's, is true that is crap traffic as only 1 every 10,000 will buy, but you can buy 10,000 clicks for cheap at least, so that at least sites with big choice of girls can break even on it.
    Unsure if it would make sense for one girl site to pay big $$ to send traffic there as maybe you're blonde and half guys like brunette and is wasted $$ to buy their click, but a site with let's say 4 girls, a blonde a brunette an asian and an ebony may make it worth probably - just brainstorming.

    To give an idea, there's the prepaid spots in tgp's, they ask $150 to $1000 per month per spot, is banners 100x to 400x pixel size, and text links, you pay them advance and they keep it there a month or so, this is quite risky I would say, also on tube they'll ask you $5000+ a month or even a week to put the banner and I always lose the bid with the bigger sites who fight for the space and make it simply out of reach for even the small or mid cam sites to get it.

    Then there's the pay per click or pay per impression, this may be more suitable for camgurl site or few camgurls site. Because you can advert just $50 or $100 and it appear in multiple sites, so a small test and if you see it not converts you not lost a fortune, if it worked you can recharge other $50 or $100 there. Will never be as good as free traffic however - just not many have tons of free traffic to live out of it only.

    Some advertising networks I tested are those:

    juicyads.com : very cool if you have nice banners on their sizes, it permits to have your banner appear in tons of sites and you can bid the pay per click site by site or network wide, for tgp's adverts is one of best - however may cost $100 per 1000 clicks or so which is not cheap.

    trafficholder.com : if you want tons of tube traffic for cheap up to crash your site for overload, this is the choice. You can buy 1000 people for as low as $3, but note this is not people woh click your banner, but instead people hijacked while click those tube thumbnails. They click a thumb and get your site opened instead, so most will close it right away, but you can buy like 20,000 clicks for $50 (warning not to hang your hosted server!) then 1 every 10,000 or 20,000 may be good guy. Be sure you choice only US/Canada traffic in the geo target, you'll not want wrong countries guys.

    ero-advertising.com : banner based like juicy ads, I think is more expensive but maybe I am wrong.

    adyea.com : much like trafficholder, but less or no control on countries you get hijacked, you may try trafficholder first.

    There is a bunch of others but unnecessary to list them as is all the same stuff, and maybe smaller cover.

    Sites also pay % on referral affiliates but this is not easy or practical to do for single cam girl site where yahoo cam and direct pay may be the way. Ok I hope I gave an useful contribution, at least I tried.

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    Great post.

    A few things about traffic.

    1. Buying traffic is a worthwhile thing once you have all your free promo stuff up and running.

    One thing that was glossed over in the last post is Link Lists. Link Lists are MUCH better traffic than TGPs and can actually be phenomenal traffic production. Be prepared though, because 5k-10k hits per day ALL downloading your pics is almost certainly NOT included in the $4.95 hosting. So, you run a balance of trying to get traffic, yet trying not to get too much Shit traffic that will cost you an arm and a leg.

    2. Now, if you understand this, you understand why I originally told Devon that TGP traffic is garbage.

    For free, I can do Directories, Link Lists, and (once established just a bit) targeted traffic share. All of these are at least somewhat targeted and will give me more traffic than I know what to do with.

    Then for some money, if you know the right places, (find them...you can...trust me) you can BUY webcam traffic, which somehow ChatGF missed. PURE Webcam traffic is the MOST expensive traffic at like $6.50-$10 per thousand. But it converts for webcam girls REALLY well.

    OR, I can do a TGP and get 100,000 hits, and maybe 20 will convert to some money for me, but my webhost will despise me and charge me a lot more.

    So, a tip. Take pics of yourself in a "Domme Outfit" and by that I mean, COSTUME...play it up! Then make a TGP that targets your Domme abilities in the webcam world, and make 4-5 different galleries. Now go join at least 2 different D/S S/M web affiliate programs. Put YOUR website link at the top and bottom of the gallery and the two paysite links in the middle, and then put a link in a page on your website dedicated to your "nastier side" or some such...now you have 3 ways that one TGP can convert to cash for you. And if you get good at affiliate hustle, you can absolutely quit your dancing/escorting/camming...So, there ya go..

    B.

    PS, unless your fast, you'll be real dumb if you do DOMME...Do Superhero...Do pigtails and a cheerleader outfit, do 40s pinup, do cop outfit, whatever...Domme is JUST an example...use YOUR style and ideals for this...

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    Hmmm I like this buying traffic idea. What the deal with the traffic costing you though? If you get a ton of traffic will your host tell you you have to upgrade or something? I'm pretty dumb when it comes to that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    I've been down that road before a long time ago. The critical thing to me is, what type of traffic would I be receiving?

    I gave up on several of the listing sites because I spent way too much time being innundated with messages from guys who had no interest in paying along with a hefty percentage of non-English speaking traffic which did me no good and wasted my time.

    Those prices would be reasonable if the traffic quality were comparable to a site like Streamate where you know everyone messaging you holds a valid credit card.

    I disagree, but only because I'm not speaking here to the streammate model who is happy with her 30% or whatever....I'm talking to the girl who advertises on the indy sites, and overall, I can tell you right now...the indy sites blow chunks overall, BECAUSE they are terrible at promotion. Look at the fucking links page on xxxcambabes....wait there ISN'T ONE....there's three affiliate banners at the bottom of the page...How tragic is THAT? BestGirlsOnCam, well they are on ONE link list, one directory, and the cam list....as far as traffic, that's pretty much it...CamCandyLand...So far, the God of Indy with 4 or 5 links lists, a banner trade thing, and a few directories and TGPs....Really not good, but way better than what I've been looking at...The rest...Jokes...In other words, you are dealing with sites that have novice promotion. You are giving them 20%-30% of everything you make there, and they can't even buy 10,000 webcam hits, and take the time to get listed on GreenGuy and Richard'sRealm...NOVICE adult webmasters know this stuff.

    So, if I could make it happen and a couple of sites go up that actually HAVE good traffic by the thousands, what the hell would they be worth to you? And it's funny because a promoter will take the easier way, and make more sites and charge a flat fee for each and a package deal for say 3 sites, and be happy, while these others want 30% of your income...it's nuts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    Hmmm I like this buying traffic idea. What the deal with the traffic costing you though? If you get a ton of traffic will your host tell you you have to upgrade or something? I'm pretty dumb when it comes to that stuff.
    Well, generally, if you have a ton of traffic that reads a page of text, you're ok. A fairly good amount that looks at some pics, still ok...A small amount that watches vids or looks at your 200 pics...you're ok...but if you put up a gallery, you are talking a MINIMUM of 12 pics and you can get 20,000 a day looking if you really get aggressive with the TGP traffic, or sometimes just ONE post on the Hun can do it. This will make your webhost say "Hmmmm?" and they will start looking, and when they see that your traffic slows their server down 3% and you are one of 5000 users (meaning you're expected to use 1/5000th of the bandwidth), they will bitch and their "Unlimited" plan will suddenly grow teeth as they whip out the Terms Of Service and start beating you on the head with the clauses that say No TGP traffic or whatever. So, yes, traffic is hugely important and ANY traffic is better than NO traffic, but GOOD traffic beats all that, and with a little work, it's easier to get good traffic and NOT have to deal with the webhost telling you that you went 500Gigs over quota...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    LOL ok I was bold and provocative, and sorry if someone took offense I have an italian sense of humor that may be lost in translation (unsure if you seen Benigni movies I live near him,) but hey why the forum should be just all cam girls agreeing each other on all with no one ike a cam site guy who write some shit just to bring discussion into some other direction...
    Haha, I can testify that Fabio has a sense of humor! He is also a good man, as far as I can tell, and that is rare enough in this business...
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    Default Re: B's Corner - Saturation?

    So, I was just replying about why they haven't built a new MFC-clone, and I said something I want to comment on here.

    Saturation!

    When my mentor first got into promotion in the age of Altavista and Lycos being hot Search Engines, you could put up a site with a couple dozen naked pictures and a password to get in the front door and make over a million dollars a year. Seriously. There weren't many adult sites and those who "got it" made millions and millions. It was so much easier too because the internet was dial-up and cable modems when they did come along went 1 megabit.

    Well, once people figured out how lucrative adult is, the "unbelievably atomically huge explosion of the internet adult world" (my mentors words from a little article he wrote) took place and Saturation became a problem. Now it is almost impossible to make any money with JUST pictures unless one leverages them using affiliate programs or something else, or has 100+ websites and stuff like that.

    So, when you look at Webcam, it's amazing how most people don't see the similarities and parallels between the web as a whole, the adult business, and Webcam.

    When it first started, (and I'm old enough to have been there...one reason I have mostly moved on to promotion) it was so easy to make money. There was one or two real sites that everyone went to, and the money was fabulous because the guys found being able to see your jerky, not-like-a-movie-at-all performance insanely close to "Real Life" and they were ready to shed their money like water.

    Obviously webcam sites made huge profits.Webcam Girls FAT bank. And everyone was happy. But obviously like everything, it exploded because others saw the money, and it exploded BIG. So for a while they were so many cam sites that listing them took like 2 pages, and those were just the ones that were on the map. During THAT time 8 gajillion girls got into camming, and the dotcam bubble burst and cam sites started falling like dominoes and many were gone without a trace..So, we were left with 8 gajillion girls competing on what actually amounts to like 10 websites that are worth anything. Thusly hundreds of models go back to being something else. 'Back in the day' fat girls and skinny girls and ugly girls and pretty girls and every race made money, and most sites had like 4 girls who actually spoke English and everyone else was Romanian or Russian or Asian. That all ended with Saturation. Since more competing for the same dollars means the competition got fierce, and the rules apply here too...Supply and Demand. Demand stayed CLOSE to the same or rose a bit, and supply EXPLODED, therefore the amount of money coming HAD to go down...Econ 101.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    I can write something in topic with AE Promotional tips and tricks to be forgiven of the offtopic.

    Link exchange and SEO words give the best results because is free of charge (is just matter of use your time for PR and design - time is money?), and also is most targeted, means 1 every few will buy.
    I confirm this is the best way to go for a camgurl.com venture.
    Just it will hit a limit, you hardly can have million viewers this way, would be too good to be true.

    The big sites simply have cash and pay for traffic, more the cash paid more the traffic, very easy equation, is not much matter of skills.
    Actually the big traffic is in tubes and tgp's, is true that is crap traffic as only 1 every 10,000 will buy, but you can buy 10,000 clicks for cheap at least, so that at least sites with big choice of girls can break even on it.
    Unsure if it would make sense for one girl site to pay big $$ to send traffic there as maybe you're blonde and half guys like brunette and is wasted $$ to buy their click, but a site with let's say 4 girls, a blonde a brunette an asian and an ebony may make it worth probably - just brainstorming.

    To give an idea, there's the prepaid spots in tgp's, they ask $150 to $1000 per month per spot, is banners 100x to 400x pixel size, and text links, you pay them advance and they keep it there a month or so, this is quite risky I would say, also on tube they'll ask you $5000+ a month or even a week to put the banner and I always lose the bid with the bigger sites who fight for the space and make it simply out of reach for even the small or mid cam sites to get it.

    Then there's the pay per click or pay per impression, this may be more suitable for camgurl site or few camgurls site. Because you can advert just $50 or $100 and it appear in multiple sites, so a small test and if you see it not converts you not lost a fortune, if it worked you can recharge other $50 or $100 there. Will never be as good as free traffic however - just not many have tons of free traffic to live out of it only.

    Some advertising networks I tested are those:

    juicyads.com : very cool if you have nice banners on their sizes, it permits to have your banner appear in tons of sites and you can bid the pay per click site by site or network wide, for tgp's adverts is one of best - however may cost $100 per 1000 clicks or so which is not cheap.

    trafficholder.com : if you want tons of tube traffic for cheap up to crash your site for overload, this is the choice. You can buy 1000 people for as low as $3, but note this is not people woh click your banner, but instead people hijacked while click those tube thumbnails. They click a thumb and get your site opened instead, so most will close it right away, but you can buy like 20,000 clicks for $50 (warning not to hang your hosted server!) then 1 every 10,000 or 20,000 may be good guy. Be sure you choice only US/Canada traffic in the geo target, you'll not want wrong countries guys.

    ero-advertising.com : banner based like juicy ads, I think is more expensive but maybe I am wrong.

    adyea.com : much like trafficholder, but less or no control on countries you get hijacked, you may try trafficholder first.

    There is a bunch of others but unnecessary to list them as is all the same stuff, and maybe smaller cover.

    Sites also pay % on referral affiliates but this is not easy or practical to do for single cam girl site where yahoo cam and direct pay may be the way. Ok I hope I gave an useful contribution, at least I tried.
    This was genius.

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    Default Re: B's Corner - Saturation? pt2 or Survival of the fittest!

    So, I believe as the economy shrinks and gets worse..oops sorry recovers at such a slow rate that if it were a person it would have died by now...we are left with the fact that dollars are more carefully spent by customers, and that along with that comes the startling realization that jobs are at such a complete premium that 8 gajillion girls are trying to jump into webcamming, and this time the money and infrastructure just aren't there to support 8 gajillion women.

    So, what does it mean?

    It means that you are swimming with sharks now, no more sweet cozy pool. If you want to retire before you too old to cam or escort or whatever and make big bux, then you better start thinking about this stuff and start getting good at it. That's my advice. If you just want to make enough to get by, roll outta bed cam for an hour and go back to sleep and stuff, you don't NEED any of this stuff I talk about. But if you want to have a business based on this stuff, then you should be incredibly interested in learning how to make money NOT being online. Because that is how you will do well in the end. And to do that makes this other stuff a piece of cake.

    Win out over Saturation...There's only ONE way. To stand out above and beyond the crowd. To be what others aren't. and most importantly, to effectively let those who have FAT Bank know that you are there and they should spend it on you. And we all know the secret word to this magic goal...

    Promotion!

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    Bambalina where you find all this energy to write books long posts, even longer than mine? I was thinking no one could write longer posts than me

    Aniway about domme or specific fetish, note that those massive traffic purchased from tube and tgp are mostly generic mainstream porn, if you try to select niche then either they can't send you this niche only, is is little traffic and maybe is not really the niche but is some cheating.
    So don't be impressed by offer to get thousands viewers with few dollar as they'll all close your home page at lightspeed as soon as it opens, just conversion ratio counts and is 1 every 10,000 or worst on main traffic, and as someone noticed hosting bill will raise, could be $100+ a month then, especially if host videos and stuff in preview, which is required.

    So those "indy" sites as camxxx or else, who as noted have not that nice look or that big traffic, at least have guys focused in cams and maybe in your fetish. So conversion ratio 1 every 100 instead of 1 every 10,000 - it means each click in indy site is 100 times more likely to beome customer than 1 click from tgp/tube and maybe even 1000 times if traffic is not geo targeted (which is, they not send you chinese or iran guys).

    You may also have noticed the same in big sites free chat vs small site free chat. Streamate, livejasmin and mfc have lots traffic but if you take 10 ones who enter free chat, how many will buy long chat? Instead in a small site maybe there's no one, but if 10 guys appear in free chat, more likely one will be good - just pity no one appears at all in hours at times.

    Most models I know stay online in a few sites, small and big (well not too many as have to focus - but also who can afford to stay in 1 site only in 2010?), and some tell me that their brain is fucked by free chats esp streamate and jasmin as there's so many guys to answer to and saying gross stuff and some give up and say is not worth despite many private, to just handle so many useless douches in free chat. So open few sites with no free chat or with little traffic to just relax and hope in the big fish (i.e. whale) to come - and if not they at least not overheat the brain with "show me tits" freebies.

    So when it comes to traffic don't only consider how much you get, but also the quality, as to handle useless free beggars takes your time (time is money) and consume your mood. Also if you're into special fetis or domme - for example financial domination "give me all your money and you then not deserve I show you even a nipple" or who want you to tell him he has small cock and he's a loser and he pay for that - sure you not get them in tgp's, they're all in niteflirt or specific sites with even little traffic, but this little is made of guys who want this fetish in cam and so is same as fish from 50,000 mainstream, without have to send to hell the 49,000 who simply beg you to show tits for free.

    Finally, I know this may be controversial, but I see myself that lots cam girls make the most money by move guys across sites or especially out of sites into their own pay method, i.e. if girl find a goldmine guy who return always in a cam site that pay 30%, she can find way to exchange contacts without being banned - I seen model write her email in piece of paper and show in video so not shows in chat logs, and some sites allow phone sex LOL the girl can send where she want the guy if they call in cell etc. - and guy care to the girl and not to the site so will follow the girl anywhre in the world and pay where she ask him, usually.
    I am not saying all girls do it or that girls being unfair with sites always or so on, simply it happens often, especially to site who pay 30% only, and must be taken in consideration. Sites sure know it and offer to give 75% or more if model bring the guy (she's the affiliate), so is not only guys sent to other sites, but some bring to your site, and is balanced. One guy she steal, one guy she bring

    So in general a model can not rely in just one way, such as do a site and buy traffic, or work in cam site 30% paid only, or indy site at 75% only or so, I find more wise a girl stay in all of these, of course just one type each not 20 sites open with splitcam as is crazy, then according what she find worth the risk or honest, juggle a little the best guys to raise your % up to 100%. In past sites I've run I remember a guy spent like $70,000 in a year in chats with a gurl across a year (4 hour chat a day or so), then he go to live at her city 1 month for 2 times until she accept to marry him. Well this is an extreme case, but to remember that is no secret the guy can get in touch with the girl out of site and esp, if he like her lots which means he can waste all his money on her.

    My 2 cents of euro

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    Ok, so we have an Affiliates thread. I hinted at this earlier, but if one is going to work TGPs, then one whould definitely throw an affiliate link or two in there with their website link. So...get creative and theme your Gallery for the TGP, and then Get an affiliate to that theme. Got tiny boobs? Find a tiny boob site with a good affiliate program.

    I just did a TGP for a girl's site I work with, and I themed it to High Heels and Feet and did lots of leggy shots and then had her link prominently in 3 places. But at the second to middle spot and the bottom spot I put the banners to my Leggy/Heels based Affiliate...Two DIFFERENT banners.

    Posted to the Hun, and got 118,000+ hits so far to the Gallery (which was about 18 gigs of traffic) and I got average of 560 hits to the website, and whoops 3 sign-ups to my Affiliate for 50% of their subscriptions for LIFE. Not too shabby...My girl wore heels and stocking the last 4 days and 4 different guys took her private 5 times from it. So, successful? Sure, but her hosting goes up about $25 because of that ONE TGP submission. So weigh it carefully.

    Now...if you have a blog, and you type all sorts of text entries to it...Why would you not use Google Adwords on it? Your blog remains the same but the adwords are there. Lot's of text or a sexy story on the website...time for the Ad Words!

    Your affiliate stuff doesn't need to be your BUSINESS, but it can pay all the expenses so your BUSINESS is free.

    B.

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    I love this thread.

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    I want to know how to get away with using google adwords on an adult oriented blog or website. Every time I have tried to use them I've been flagged for adult content. (which I can't understand that either - why doesn't google want adult used with adwords anyway)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    I want to know how to get away with using google adwords on an adult oriented blog or website. Every time I have tried to use them I've been flagged for adult content. (which I can't understand that either - why doesn't google want adult used with adwords anyway)?
    What do you mean flagged for adult content?

    I use their keyword tool to search for words/phrases that are relevant to my site (make sure to click "include adult ideas" or whatever it says) then use the keywords that come up that are searched for between 5k and 15k times per month and bring up less than 2 million results. I put them in my blog posts/titles as often as I can without sounding like a robot.

    That's what I think of when I hear google adwords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    What do you mean flagged for adult content?

    I use their keyword tool to search for words/phrases that are relevant to my site (make sure to click "include adult ideas" or whatever it says) then use the keywords that come up that are searched for between 5k and 15k times per month and bring up less than 2 million results. I put them in my blog posts/titles as often as I can without sounding like a robot.

    That's what I think of when I hear google adwords.
    I thought this was referring to the actual GoogleAdwords program where you pay to advertise.

    https://adwords.google.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    I thought this was referring to the actual GoogleAdwords program where you pay to advertise.

    https://adwords.google.com
    Ahh okay that makes sense. Yea I knew about that program but didn't consider it 'cause I figured they didn't want adult ads.

    People avoid ads like that anyway you should focus on your search engine optimization by using keywords like I mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    I want to know how to get away with using google adwords on an adult oriented blog or website. Every time I have tried to use them I've been flagged for adult content. (which I can't understand that either - why doesn't google want adult used with adwords anyway)?
    What you say is actually true. AdWords has gotten more and more strict, and picky. I guess the adwords thing works more on sites that are borderline or can be claimed to not be sexual...personal blogs and such...Since now that you mention it, the last time I did an adult story, it lasted like 4 months and I did get paid, but in the end they did flag it.

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    this is very useful ty, girls

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    WOW great Stuff.. YOU ARE A QUEEN!!!!!!!!!

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    SUPER helpful. I am in awe and definitely feeling overwhelmed with info but extremely grateful and eager to learn! Thank you thank you thank you!

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