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    Ok guys. After lurking on this forum for awhile, it's become apparent that many of the ladies are using their seductive powers to string men (aka PLs) and their emotions along for as long as possible so they can extract every last ounce of cash from them.

    And so they should. I'm not trying to be critical of this as that is just the way the game is played and as long as we are aware of that and happy to participate, then everyone wins (I guess).

    But what does seem a little out of whack is the indirect implication that it's them who wield all the power in this game. I mean, we have something they want too! The money! Doesn't the fact that it's us who hold the cash shift the balance of power to our side even just a little bit?

    And so to address the question posed by the thread title, how can we use the fact that we have this "power" to our advantage?

    I personally haven't really thought too much about it myself to be honest. The most I would do is to tease my ATF by denying her more money than she would like. She looks completely cute and adorable when she's hustling/begging for more money or when she pouts playfully if I don't give her as much as I usually do in our typical session.

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    PL= Pathetic Loser. It is not a term that is synonymous with every guy who walks into a strip club. As long as you think that all customers are PL's and teasing your ATF about how much money you spend on her is fun you will have no power-real or imagined-in a strip club.
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    Yeah, true. Just a newbie here and I may have the PL acronym a little too far I guess.

    I started this thread mainly as a response to several other threads I came across with discussions between dancers almost bragging about how they were manipulating their (sometimes clueless) customers and it did irk me a little to read their attitude towards their work at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    Yeah, true. Just a newbie here and I may have the PL acronym a little too far I guess.

    I started this thread mainly as a response to several other threads I came across with discussions between dancers almost bragging about how they were manipulating their (sometimes clueless) customers and it did irk me a little to read their attitude towards their work at times.
    The vast majority of Stripperweb consists of dancers having conversations with each other about making money. In short, you are eves dropping on the dancer's dressing room. If that's your cup of tea so be it but that stuff is best read with a sense of humor. I don't bother to read the parts of this forum that I can not participate in but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    The vast majority of Stripperweb consists of dancers having conversations with each other about making money. In short, you are eves dropping on the dancer's dressing room. If that's your cup of tea so be it but that stuff is best read with a sense of humor. I don't bother to read the parts of this forum that I can not participate in but that's just me.

    Absolutely.
    I honestly don't know why customers would want to venture into a place like Hustle Hut in the first place. I haven't read anything in there for a very long time. I don't want to know what the latest hustle techniques are and how they will be used on me someday. I prefer, in my pathetic way, to keep a hint of the "fantasy" alive while I am inside the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    I personally haven't really thought too much about it myself to be honest. The most I would do is to tease my ATF by denying her more money than she would like. She looks completely cute and adorable when she's hustling/begging for more money or when she pouts playfully if I don't give her as much as I usually do in our typical session.
    Wow, you sound like you've never had a dancer walk away from you in lieu of having money. Trust me, it happens. Very rarely does it occur... but I have walked away from guys, AFTER they called me over. Simply put, they had money... I just didn't want to do business with them for one reason or another.

    Having money doesn't not automatically equal attention. It's probably 75-90% of a customer's "game"/power, but it isn't everything.
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    I'm not really into gamesmanship when I walk into a strip club. I say yes to those I want to lap, and no to those I don't. My faves know that if they see me, they'll get dances from me, and don't sweat it if I'm with someone else first, just as I don't mind if they are spending time with another paying customer. Neither of us own the other. It's just fun, and power dynamics are probably the last thing going through my mind.

    I control the money I spend, and no amount of "pleeeeeeeaseeeeeee" makes that change. Frankly, the kind of dancer that does that is probably not one that stays in my main rotation for any length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    Absolutely.
    I honestly don't know why customers would want to venture into a place like Hustle Hut in the first place. ... I prefer, in my pathetic way, to keep a hint of the "fantasy" alive while I am inside the club.
    +1, I love it. Even though I do feel a little peeved at the mercenary attitudes of some regular posters here, and about the fact that I can't contribute to some conversations where I feel I might have something to offer, I'm still glad I found this little SW world, I learn a lot. I don't have the experience on the site that Lopaw and Yoda do (although I've gone to clubs almost since I was old enough ) so I'm still poking around in all the corners to see who's who and what's what. The free entertainment is more than most professional scriptwriters could ever match! As someone recently said (not Dave Barry, but on this site) You can't make this stuff up .

    Back to the OP: I'm learning your $$ does give you the power, esp. if there's more than 1 club in your town. If your ATF is the only girl for you, then be sure to tip her all she wishes and more, to keep her. But why go that route in the club, where it's not a real relationship? There's sure to be more than 1 sharp girl who's looking at you as a (maybe regular) customer. Don't expect to hang with 1 girl the whole night - even if she's your "ATF", she needs to go around and make money, too. Encourage other girls to sit with you, have a drink, etc. Let the one who is the most entertaining have the most of your cash that night. Having a fav in a club is great, but you need to be cultivating a backup or 2 at all times, because they do move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer View Post
    I'm not really into gamesmanship when I walk into a strip club. I say yes to those I want to lap, and no to those I don't. My faves know that if they see me, they'll get dances from me, and don't sweat it if I'm with someone else first, just as I don't mind if they are spending time with another paying customer. Neither of us own the other. It's just fun, and power dynamics are probably the last thing going through my mind.

    I control the money I spend, and no amount of "pleeeeeeeaseeeeeee" makes that change. Frankly, the kind of dancer that does that is probably not one that stays in my main rotation for any length of time.

    It ain't rocket science. It's a hot chick, and she's on your lap. You like it? Get another lap. You don't? Get another dancer. No more dancers? Go home and click onto xhamster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer View Post
    I'm not really into gamesmanship when I walk into a strip club. I say yes to those I want to lap, and no to those I don't. My faves know that if they see me, they'll get dances from me, and don't sweat it if I'm with someone else first, just as I don't mind if they are spending time with another paying customer. Neither of us own the other. It's just fun, and power dynamics are probably the last thing going through my mind.

    I control the money I spend, and no amount of "pleeeeeeeaseeeeeee" makes that change. Frankly, the kind of dancer that does that is probably not one that stays in my main rotation for any length of time.

    It ain't rocket science. It's a hot chick, and she's on your lap. You like it? Get another lap. You don't? Get another dancer. No more dancers? Go home and click onto xhamster.

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    Yep, that's the way it works. Welcome to Capitalism. If I don't want a dancer, she figures it out from the fact I pay no attention to her after saying "no thank you" 5 or 6 times. As I say "Rule #1 is that Dancers are in it for the money. A corollary to Rule #1 is that it is my money and I can spend my money on who(m) ever I want to."
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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    How can we use the fact that we have this "power" to our advantage?
    The only thing you can hope for when you come into a stripclub is that your dancer doesn't rip you off, get you thrown out, and gives you a great lapdance for the money. That's not an advantage, but it's the only real power you have in that situation and that's the power of CHOICE.

    Only a stupid or extras girl would have you control the dance or what you get for your money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeBe View Post
    The only thing you can hope for when you come into a stripclub is that your dancer doesn't rip you off, get you thrown out, and gives you a great lapdance for the money. That's not an advantage, but it's the only real power you have in that situation and that's the power of CHOICE.

    Only a stupid or extras girl would have you control the dance or what you get for your money...
    Sounds like you are in a good economy area. Those are few and far between nowadays. I would argue that the customers do indeed have more control than what has been the usual for the past several years. Not saying that that an air dancer will suddenly give it up out of desperation but I will say overall many dancers are struggling trying to figure out how to maintain their earnings in an atmosphere of customers recognizing that their spending power has multiplied in terms of dictating what goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Sounds like you are in a good economy area. Those are few and far between nowadays. I would argue that the customers do indeed have more control than what has been the usual for the past several years. Not saying that that an air dancer will suddenly give it up out of desperation but I will say overall many dancers are struggling trying to figure out how to maintain their earnings in an atmosphere of customers recognizing that their spending power has multiplied in terms of dictating what goes on.

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    I agree with this 100% (and indeed posted a thread on this topic).

    Having said that, I'm not sure what is gained by playing games. Many of these girls still have some pride and playing the "I'll hold the money from you to make you jump" game is not likely to help the OP in the long run, particularly if he is ultimately looking for p4p of other fun stuff.

    Any human being can only take so much, so IMHO the key to leveraging $$$ power is to subtly work that advantage while still letting her know that you respect her.
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    All relationships, buisiness or personal, are win-win or win-lose. A minority of dancers are a llittle mental and feel like you have to loose for them to win. If you go a little mental, and feel like they have to loose for you to win, most of the dancers will figure this out. You'll sit around in the club, hoping to see a new girl who doesn't know what your like.

    I've had dancers give me free dances because I'd bought a lot of dances from them in the past, and they had nothing better to do. But if there are other customers waiting for them, they will try to extract your money as quickly as possible so they can move on. That's just the way of world. Even so, you'll get further seeing how you can work with people, rather than trying to have power over them. Like maybe just not coming in during peak times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post

    And so to address the question posed by the thread title, how can we use the fact that we have this "power" to our advantage?
    I don't deal with guys who look at the dancer/customer relationship in terms of who has the "power". I'm already in a vulnerable position being naked with a stranger. the last thing I need is some insecure jerk flexing his muscles at my expense.


    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    I personally haven't really thought too much about it myself to be honest. The most I would do is to tease my ATF by denying her more money than she would like. She looks completely cute and adorable when she's hustling/begging for more money or when she pouts playfully if I don't give her as much as I usually do in our typical session.
    Am I the only one who finds this a little disturbing? I can guarantee that your ATF hates that you do this. It's obnoxious and creepy. I don't see anything cute or adorable about a woman squirming in discomfort. Lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    Am I the only one who finds this a little disturbing? I can guarantee that your ATF hates that you do this. It's obnoxious and creepy. I don't see anything cute or adorable about a woman squirming in discomfort. Lame.
    I think you're taking it a little too seriously. Relax. I think we're actually quite good friends (although the friendship could be just a "fantasy" who knows) so it's not really as "creepy" or "disturbing" as you're imagining it to be nor is there any "squirming in discomfort". Just playful banter as you would typically engage with someone that you have a rapport with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    I think you're taking it a little too seriously. Relax. I think we're actually quite good friends (although the friendship could be just a "fantasy" who knows) so it's not really as "creepy" or "disturbing" as you're imagining it to be nor is there any "squirming in discomfort". Just playful banter as you would typically engage with someone that you have a rapport with.
    Excellent. As long as you "understand" the relationship, and it sounds like you do, all is good. When you change your understanding of the relationship, you open up the possibility of problems.
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    Only a stupid or extras girl would have you control the dance or what you get for your money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stawj View Post
    Ok guys. After lurking on this forum for awhile, it's become apparent that many of the ladies are using their seductive powers to string men (aka PLs) and their emotions along for as long as possible so they can extract every last ounce of cash from them.
    It's a job to most dancers - pure and simple. They're using the 'seductive powers' to maximize their earnings. If a dancer is sensible, she's using the earnings to pay her way through university, etc. If she's not sensible, she's partying the money away.

    Broadly speaking, there are two sorts of guys who go into SC's:

    (a) Guys who go in purely for the entertainment
    (b) Guys who want to get dancers phone numbers.

    Type (a) customers seldom have drama in SC's because both they and the dancers know precisely what they want. Type (b) customers can end up wrapped round a dancer's little finger.

    Yeah, if a dancer is desperate for money, I guess you have a degree of power - you can hold out the prospect of the dancer going a bit outside of her personal limits to get the money. But then that doesn't make you the nicest of persons....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    It's a job to most dancers - pure and simple. They're using the 'seductive powers' to maximize their earnings. If a dancer is sensible, she's using the earnings to pay her way through university, etc. If she's not sensible, she's partying the money away.

    Broadly speaking, there are two sorts of guys who go into SC's:

    (a) Guys who go in purely for the entertainment
    (b) Guys who want to get dancers phone numbers.

    Type (a) customers seldom have drama in SC's because both they and the dancers know precisely what they want. Type (b) customers can end up wrapped round a dancer's little finger.

    Yeah, if a dancer is desperate for money, I guess you have a degree of power - you can hold out the prospect of the dancer going a bit outside of her personal limits to get the money. But then that doesn't make you the nicest of persons....

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    I guess I'm a Type A customer. For me it's all about the entertainment and not the drama or trying to get a phone number, or meeting up OTC. SC's are something I enjoy because they are fun and I enjoy the company of young hot sexy ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    Broadly speaking, there are two sorts of guys who go into SC's:

    (a) Guys who go in purely for the entertainment
    (b) Guys who want to get dancers phone numbers.

    Type (a) customers seldom have drama in SC's because both they and the dancers know precisely what they want. Type (b) customers can end up wrapped round a dancer's little finger.

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    Really, Phil? These two are mutually exclusive? As best as I can tell, there are two types of guys in strip clubs:

    (a) Guys who go to SCs to see and be with strippers (for whatever reason), and

    (b) Guys who go to clubs to watch guys who want to see and be with strippers.

    Apparently, (a) is just about everyone and (b) is, well, you.

    I'm going to make a presumptive statement here: I'd be willing to wager over the years Yoda and I have collected phone numbers of dancers into the mid-triple digits. I'd also wager that you can count the "drama" we've collectively experienced over the last two decades, multiply it by the number of laps you've experienced in the last year, and it still wouldn't equal the number of fingers I'm holding up right now.

    Save the WK bullshit for the pink side. It plays a lot better over there.

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    You sound like a real catch, Mister. I don't think you'd like me too much though, since I fall into that category of dancers who work at the titty bar primarily for shits and giggles. The privileged brat type who doesn't need your money at all and will laugh in your face if you tell me to 'work for this dollar'.

    When I meet a power-hungry egotist as charming as yourself, I usually feel a sense of pity. Especially if I see that you're deliberately focusing in on the more desperate women in the club, the ones who are a lot less able to refuse you if you're disrespectful. What a big man you are, Mister... Y'know, if anything, I think you should be thankful for the very existence of women who are willing to provide you with any kind of sexual service. -And if you're the pathetic loser type, dependent on the dancer to recreate basic human intimacy for you on the regular, well then... you should be all the more grateful. Your green paper is a small offer in comparison to what you're being given, methinks.

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    Dolly_Haze: Yes, I actually am very grateful you all make this service available to us, now that you mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer View Post
    Really, Phil? These two are mutually exclusive? As best as I can tell, there are two types of guys in strip clubs:

    (a) Guys who go to SCs to see and be with strippers (for whatever reason), and

    (b) Guys who go to clubs to watch guys who want to see and be with strippers.

    Apparently, (a) is just about everyone and (b) is, well, you.

    I'm going to make a presumptive statement here: I'd be willing to wager over the years Yoda and I have collected phone numbers of dancers into the mid-triple digits. I'd also wager that you can count the "drama" we've collectively experienced over the last two decades, multiply it by the number of laps you've experienced in the last year, and it still wouldn't equal the number of fingers I'm holding up right now.

    Save the WK bullshit for the pink side. It plays a lot better over there.

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    I think maybe you're jumping the gun a little. I think he's being critical of custy's who think that an SC is a match-maker service. The amount of P4P going on varies a lot from club to club. Maybe there isn't much at the club(s) he goes to, or the girls can sense he's not interested in that, so it isn't even on his radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolly_Haze View Post
    You sound like a real catch, Mister. I don't think you'd like me too much though, since I fall into that category of dancers who work at the titty bar primarily for shits and giggles. The privileged brat type who doesn't need your money at all and will laugh in your face if you tell me to 'work for this dollar'.

    When I meet a power-hungry egotist as charming as yourself, I usually feel a sense of pity. Especially if I see that you're deliberately focusing in on the more desperate women in the club, the ones who are a lot less able to refuse you if you're disrespectful. What a big man you are, Mister... Y'know, if anything, I think you should be thankful for the very existence of women who are willing to provide you with any kind of sexual service. -And if you're the pathetic loser type, dependent on the dancer to recreate basic human intimacy for you on the regular, well then... you should be all the more grateful. Your green paper is a small offer in comparison to what you're being given, methinks.
    How's all that thinking working out for you? Not too well I suspect.

    As I'm sure you know, most dancers are not in your privileged position, but thank you for making sure we all knew that you are. Some might view that as a little self-congratulatory, but in any event...

    I am one of those that enjoys sex with dancers and I no doubt use money to my advantage. Having said this, I don't prey on, pressure or otherwise force any dancer to do anything she does not want to. And I always treat my "friends" with respect and dignity.

    And while you wallow in your little powder puff superiority moment, consider this: I am a 40 year old guy banging hot 20-something strippers today. When I was 35 I was doing the same, as I will be when I am 45, 50, 55, and Lord willing, older. Long after successive crops of dancers burn out, bust out or otherwise move on, I will still be banging hot young strippers.

    In 10 to 15 years from now what will you be doing? Besides, of course, making some poor bastard wish he had never married you, wondering if the alimony ransom he will need to pay to get rid of you is worth it.
    Last edited by rickdugan; 09-30-2010 at 05:50 PM.

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